The Yzerplan The Vision Becoming Minnesota Repeating History Help 9/11

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

1 hour ago, Troy McClure said:

Another target for the offseason: RHD, 29 yo, LAK, michigan native, Matt Roy

Kings fans dont think theyll be able to re-sign him. Plays very much like a Walman.

Create a top4 of Seider, Walman, Chiarot, and Roy, with Edvinsson jumping in on occasion. 

SY is probably going to keep Petry and buyout Holl unless a coaching change is made, which I think is unlikely. So round out the bottom pairing with Ed and Petry, with Maata as the 7th.

Chiarot?  Are you still on this guy's p e n I s the same way YzerSCAM and LaDUMB are?  Jesus already.  

[Troy McClure 347]

31 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Chiarot?  Are you still on this guy's p e n I s the same way YzerSCAM and LaDUMB are?  Jesus already.  

Yeah Chiarot has earned his keep this season

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

33 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

Yeah Chiarot has earned his keep this season

Oh God.  No wonder we're struggling to be #16.  Our fans don't watch and don't care.  Sad.

[Troy McClure 347]

2 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Oh God.  No wonder we're struggling to be #16.  Our fans don't watch and don't care.  Sad.

We agree on Petry. Not on Chiarot. 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

54 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

We agree on Petry. Not on Chiarot. 

You're regarded then.  He's worse than Jonathan Eriksson pylon wise.  Come on, man.

[Troy McClure 347]

1 hour ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

You're regarded then.  He's worse than Jonathan Eriksson pylon wise.  Come on, man.

Nah hes a solid bottom 4 Dman

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

1 hour ago, Troy McClure said:

Nah hes a solid bottom 4 Dman

Yuck

[Troy McClure 347]

2 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Yuck

Smooch

[Troy McClure 347]

BSome pro Derek spin:

My jimmies were hella rustled like a week ago when he played Petry more minutes than Seider in yet another embarrassing loss. However, Seider was playing hurt the other night against the Caps. Maybe it was a similar situation last week too. 

And Ive been hella critical of his use of Petry in general. However, maybe this is just a coach making the most of a bad situation?

The only alternative to Petry on the right hand side is Holl. Holl was a hated Pylon in Toronto, and Derek will hardly ever play him. Sucks that Petry isnt very good, but Derek is just playing the better of two bad Dmen. Hard to fault him for that. 

Ive also been mad that he asked SY to trade for Petry. However, I think we have to realize that SY went out and delivered him a terrible Dman in Holl, and unhappy about it, Derek saw an oppurtunity to get something (hopefully) better in Petry. 

What Im trying to say is that this is all mostly Yzermans fault. Its been an uncharacteristically kinda not good season for the captain. 

The good = JTC was an awesome signing.

The good, but how much credit should he get? = Dcat trade was awesome, but it also just fell into his lap. And that helped lead to the Kane signing, so in a way that too also fell into his lap (Kane has also said Derek was very involved in getting him to sign).

The bad = the Holl signing is egregious. That much money and that much term for a 7th dman? BAD. 1 year later and hes going to have to give up picks or use a buyout to get out from under that contract. 

More bad = the Kostin trades were terrible. Eating salary on two different players for a 7th. Not good.

Even more bad = being hopeful enough not to sell, but not hopeful enough to buy, at the TDL was fence sitting regardation. Instead of picking a clear direction for his team, now were just mildly fuqqed from both angles. Medicority at its finest. The only thing worse than being bad in a league that rewards teams for being bad, is being perpetually not good enough to make the playoffs or draft a difference maker. Cursed cycle of medicority. 

Still more bad = Another failed goalie in Husso. Searching for another goalie every summer has gotten ridiculous at this point. And this one we might have to buyout. Not good.

SY has to solve the Holl problem effectively this summer or my "trust in the plan" will be damaged. IMO its probably the biggest mistake of his tenure thus far. 

 

Edited April 11, 2024 by Troy McClure

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

2024-25:

Chiarot - 4.75 

Petry - 2.25

Holl - 3.5

Husso - 4.75

Fabbri - 4

19.25 Million of TRASH.

2025-26:

Chiarot - 4.75

Holl - 3.5

8.25 Million of TRASH.

 

So far, I like my idea best that I presented yesterday.

Let go of Perron, Sprong, Gost, and Fischer.

Trade Fabbri, Husso, and a 2026 2nd to the Sharks for future considerations

Sign Kane and Stammer.

Convert Petry and Chiarot to 4th line forwards.

 

I'm nowhere near as down on Holl as you are Colin.  Stats show he's been relatively good this year, validating my eyeball test.  There are 2 guys that consistently show up on the ice EVERY SINGLE TIME the opponent is cycling in our zone for a prolonged period.  Chiarot and Petry.  It's always Chiarot and Petry.  Seider-Walman - puck comes in, puck goes out.  Maatta-Holl/Gost - puck comes in, puck goes out.  Chiarot and/or Petry - puck comes in, we give up a great shot, we get stressed and ice the puck (why both have high D zone start percentages), we get a penalty, we get scored on.  Watch tonight.  Last time we played the Pens, they turned Chiarot into a permanent post.  Not even a moveable pylon.  WATCH THE GAME TONIGHT, COLIN.  FOCUS ON #8 AND #46.  

And Chiarot and Petry's poor advanced stats are not because Lalonde is CHOOSING to start the 2 in the D zone because he thinks they're so good defensively.  They're because we have to ice the puck or have our goalie stop it a lot more frequently when those 2 are on the ice.  

 

[Troy McClure 347]

52 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

2024-25:

Chiarot - 4.75 

Petry - 2.25

Holl - 3.5

Husso - 4.75

Fabbri - 4

19.25 Million of TRASH.

2025-26:

Chiarot - 4.75

Holl - 3.5

8.25 Million of TRASH.

 

So far, I like my idea best that I presented yesterday.

Let go of Perron, Sprong, Gost, and Fischer.

Trade Fabbri, Husso, and a 2026 2nd to the Sharks for future considerations

Sign Kane and Stammer.

Convert Petry and Chiarot to 4th line forwards.

 

I'm nowhere near as down on Holl as you are Colin.  Stats show he's been relatively good this year, validating my eyeball test.  There are 2 guys that consistently show up on the ice EVERY SINGLE TIME the opponent is cycling in our zone for a prolonged period.  Chiarot and Petry.  It's always Chiarot and Petry.  Seider-Walman - puck comes in, puck goes out.  Maatta-Holl/Gost - puck comes in, puck goes out.  Chiarot and/or Petry - puck comes in, we give up a great shot, we get stressed and ice the puck (why both have high D zone start percentages), we get a penalty, we get scored on.  Watch tonight.  Last time we played the Pens, they turned Chiarot into a permanent post.  Not even a moveable pylon.  WATCH THE GAME TONIGHT, COLIN.  FOCUS ON #8 AND #46.  

And Chiarot and Petry's poor advanced stats are not because Lalonde is CHOOSING to start the 2 in the D zone because he thinks they're so good defensively.  They're because we have to ice the puck or have our goalie stop it a lot more frequently when those 2 are on the ice.  

 

Muh oilers dont play tonight, so maybe ill watch. But ill probably just statwatch and base all my opinions on that instead.

Chia and Petry get the least amount of O-zone starts on the team. Maybe after we convert them into forwards we should start them there more?

 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

2 hours ago, Troy McClure said:

Muh oilers dont play tonight, so maybe ill watch. But ill probably just statwatch and base all my opinions on that instead.

Chia and Petry get the least amount of O-zone starts on the team. Maybe after we convert them into forwards we should start them there more?

 

Read my last paragraph again, oh bearded one!

Remember when Holland got us Dallas Drake in 08?  That was a prudent maneuver.  That's the last good pickup the Wings have made.

[Jimmybigrigs69 467]

This thread has aged like Jaromir Jagr

Yzerman/Draper will likely select a player that is 3+ years away from even making the roster today, let alone contributing in an impactful way, at 13th overall in the first round. 

The only free agent linked to the Wings via legit rumor (not pundit speculation) is Brock Boeser - a slow skating 50 pt winger.

So what is Yzerman's longterm plan, considering this directionless mushy middle we are in?

If I had to guess/assume - it's that Yzerman intends to win the draft and cultural war. Those are the only intangibles that could set us apart.

DRAFT - He believes he and his scouts will draft better than the rest of the league without the advantage of higher than average picks. 

CULTURE - He believes the insulation he is providing with UFAs will better develop his prospects than an exposing tank stratedgy would, and will build us a winning culture assisted by veteran leadership. 

---------------------------------------------------

PROBLEMO UNO:

The only draft picks he's selected thus far which have made an impact for us are... ones taken with very high picks. This is better than Holland's disastorous late term wings record with high picks - but hardly enough to set us apart from the rest of the league. And now we no longer have the advantage of selecting in the top 10.

PROBLEMO DOS:

The insulation he's provided with UFA's has indeed pushed us forward into the middle of the pack - but the building of an actual culture has failed to come along with it. His first coaching hire failed in spectacular fashion. His replacement is a middle of the pack coach who's already bounced around the league. The C of the team is frustrated and dejected. And by the GMs own addmission he has not seen enough leadership from the players he expects/expected to be leaders.

--------------------------------------------------

So where is our advantage?

I don't see one. 

Do we even have an identity as a team? We were/are decently high scoring and offense driven... but Yzerman wants to change that and focus on defense. We're not physical, but not particularly built around finesse either. We don't play the trap, but we don't really forecheck well either. We favor Swedes (if that can even be considered an identity)... but thats only because our best scout happens to be Swedish. And lastly, and most importantly........ we are not a cup contender, but we are not rebuilding either.

Welcome to Detroit, Minnesota. 

Edited June 27 by Jimmybigrigs69

[Motor City Mullets 315]

Well said ^.

We really are 'Minnesota Mediocrity'...Seeing what Seattle gave up for Marchment - that was a solid move IMHO - Marchment would've solidified our top 6.

Personally I'd rather see Yzerman move our 1st rounder (and more picks if needed) to land a quality roster player (be it a forward or defense - we need both).

Not that he'd be my 1st choice, but I have to wonder what's the deal with Pettersson in Vancouver - is he a locker room cancer - is it a confidence issue? He just might be a better risk/option (and slightly cheaper cap space wise) than Marner (whom I hope Stevie makes a serious offer to).

With this being a weak draft, a need for talented roster player/s, and a handful of prospects waiting in the 'Wings' - may as well swing for a trade/s, and/or offer deals to what might be deemed the best UFAs available.

[Jimmybigrigs69 467]

1 hour ago, Motor City Mullets said:

Well said ^.

We really are 'Minnesota Mediocrity'...Seeing what Seattle gave up for Marchment - that was a solid move IMHO - Marchment would've solidified our top 6.

Personally I'd rather see Yzerman move our 1st rounder (and more picks if needed) to land a quality roster player (be it a forward or defense - we need both).

Not that he'd be my 1st choice, but I have to wonder what's the deal with Pettersson in Vancouver - is he a locker room cancer - is it a confidence issue? He just might be a better risk/option (and slightly cheaper cap space wise) than Marner (whom I hope Stevie makes a serious offer to).

With this being a weak draft, a need for talented roster player/s, and a handful of prospects waiting in the 'Wings' - may as well swing for a trade/s, and/or offer deals to what might be deemed the best UFAs available.

Remember last year when the entire discussion all spring/summer was IS PATRICK KANE COMING BACK? WE GOTTA RE-SIGN PATRICK KANE

This year nobody seems to give AF

And I think its because everyone recognizes this team needs a serious shakeup. If that involves Kane returning or not who cares.

If SY makes more mediocre safe moves Im going to punish you all with Lions posting again. In fact I may even start Tigs and Pistons posting. Do not tempt me Stephen. 

Edited June 27 by Jimmybigrigs69