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In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Today, 02:09 PM

Mrazek's new mask by @artofDave

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Mrazek loves puppies

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This should go to the Hall of Fame when the season is over. Just seems to have that iconic feel to it.


In Topic: Fans rank front offices....Wings 21st

25 July 2016 - 01:50 PM

Well these fans are supposed to decide how much confidence they would have in all of the the other management IF they were in charge of the team they root for.

 

Like we all like the Red Wings. So how much confidence would you have in, say, Lou Lamoriello and Brendan Shanahan and the rest of the Leafs management if they were in charge of the Red Wings in place of Ken Holland & Co.

So then you'd give a 1-10 ranking in those categories. I guess you'd have to take into account that those guys would no longer be under the Toronto media spotlight so they might do a little better in a different market...

 

Maybe it's just me, but the way they went about getting these rankings just seems to be a little...off?


In Topic: Fans rank front offices....Wings 21st

22 July 2016 - 01:13 PM

actually now I'm not sure how they did it.

 

Here's the link to the original article titled: How much confidence does each NHL fan base have in their front office?

 

http://www.thehockey...f-all-30-teams/

 

So the title makes it sound like each team had a few people respond to the survey, and not that 200 people took the survey about every team. But it's usually an editor that makes the title of the article and not the writer.

 

But if it was only fans of the team that ranked that team, that would equal about a 6and 2/3rds sample size per team. Which is a ridiculously low sample size

 

 

 

From the article:

 

 

I created a survey asking people to rank each team’s front office in six different categories based on how confident they would be if that front office was running their team instead. The categories in question are roster building, cap management, drafting and development, trading, free agency, and vision.

 

The overall ranking was then weighted by how important respondents deemed each skill to be relative to the others. Those surveyed viewed drafting and development as most important, followed by roster building and vision, then cap management, then trading, with free agency seen as the least important.

They were also asked if they were more, less or similarly confident with this team based on their moves over the last year or so.

 

So it sounds like just 200 random hockey fans...


In Topic: Fans rank front offices....Wings 21st

22 July 2016 - 11:44 AM

Yeah, obviously you'd like more than a 200 sample size. And who knows how those 200 fans got picked. On top of that, I'm not really sure how many fans would have the workings and up-to-date info on all the departments of all 30 teams to be able to make an informed ranking in all those categories (Beyond the Wings, I don't know how many other teams I could actually comment on, let alone give a score of 1-10 in six different categories for each team).

 

That being said, I still think these came out being about rightshrug.gif

 

EDIT:

Just for anyone wondering, the categories (with the Wings' rank) were:

 

 

Roster Building..........21st

Cap Management......19th

Draft/Develop..............9th

Trading......................21st

Free Agency..............22nd

Vision.........................21st

 

(Any mods wanna copy these to the original post, then delete this question from my post??)


In Topic: Fans rank front offices....Wings 21st

21 July 2016 - 05:47 PM

21st....sounds about right. How the turn tables....turn.

 

Look, I don't like what Kenny's been doing lately. And there are plenty of people who (with good reason) think that Yzerman in one of if not the best GM in the game right now.

 

But I am kinda wary of saying things like "If only Steve could have taken over the Wings..."

The situations are quite different to be making a GM-to-GM comparison, as if all the great moves that he made in Tampa (and the moves Nill makes in Dallas for that matter) would have worked out in Detroit. It's a different organization, the teams have different players in different stages of their careers and contracts. They have different assets and different prospects, ect...

 

I know they are both under a lot of pressure, it comes with the job. But I think it was probably a good thing for Yzerman's GM career and development that he wasn't under the extreme pressure of being the GM of the team to which he was an icon for 2 decades. I don't know that he would have handled things here the same way he handled them in Tampa (just to be clear, he might have done things the same, he might not have. I just don't know, just wanted to say it again), But I'm guessing that being with a different organization would make it a lot easier to manage the team without having to worry about his legacy as a Red Wing.

 

That being said, I still wish he was working for the Wings. The guy is very intelligent, thorough, adaptable (even back to his playing days), negotiated his last few contracts by himself, doesn't let emotion get in the way of what's best for the team (Drouin, St. Lous), ect..

 

Is he the best GM in the league? I don't know.

Is he in the top 5 (maybe even top 3)? I'd say yes, absolutely.

And where is Holland? 21st. Right where he belongs.