No one here yet... a lot of backlash on Twitter though...
Unfortunately a large portion of the Red Wings fanbase have become insufferable. There is literally nothing to complain about with this deal at all. 5 million per season for a dman of his calibre coming into his prime is as ideal as it gets. Some ***** at the term, but he'll be only 32 when the deal is up. I see no issue.
Yeah, 200 fans equates to 6-7 fans per team IF they spread out equally the responders over the fanbases. But it doesn't seem that they did that - they just took whoever responded. Could be all Tampa fans. Regardless of what fans they are, they ranked the entire league and I guarantee most fans know very little about how all teams draft, etc.
Lol this article is meaningless. Let's ask a very small sample size some questions about every team, most of which they're inequipped to answer, and then draw conclusions from this data. How does this s*** get published? I'm done with this thread lol
The moves Holland as been making aren't geared towards winning the Cup, they're geared towards just making the playoffs and keeping the band together. If a GM can't move on from guys like Helm and Miller, who can he move on from?
Kind of interesting that both of Hollands 'disciples' - Yzerman and Nill are ranked (well) ahead of him - #1 and #6 respectively.
In fact of the top 10 'ranked' GMs, Only 2 (Nashville and SJ) have been with their team for longer than 6 years.
You often hear about Coaches having a 10 year limit on being effective, as their message can often get stale over time and players tend to tune them out. I think that is also possible with GM's (to a lesser degree), their philosophy can become stale, and often times they rely on 'whats worked before' and don't change with the times.
Its very easy to get tunnel vision as a GM, and this seems to have been the case with Holland...he was a master at finding the right fit of superstars who could actually play together as a team (its not as easy as it looks - see the Yankees), and he had a knack for surrounding himself with a staff full of people extremely good at their jobs (scouting in particular), additionally, he was/is extremely good at retaining his players. Very rarely do you see a player leave the Red Wings (that the wings actually wanted to keep) - he is loyal . This used to be a positive attribute as it showed other players that once you're a Red Wing, they will take care of you, and there was no salary cap so who cares if its a slight over payment - hes 'our guy' now, and the Wings treat their guys better than any other organization.
The salary cap has honestly messed up Holland something fierce. yes he won the cup in 08 but that team was almost completely built prior to the salary cap era. He has tried to adjust - but seems to have overcompensated in some aspects. He used to deal young players and draft picks without a second thought, he now hoards them like they are all the holy grail, and is petrified of trading away a potential 'stud' for an established vet.
One area he hasn't changed at all in is loyalty to his players. He still signs guys to very generous contracts (this off season being a prime example), and makes sure they get playing time/a roster spot, even thought there are more talented/cheaper players in the AHL chomping at the bit to player at this level. This is awesome when you have a team full of studs, as you will most likely keep them around, but when your team is full of average NHLers, you need to be cut throat and fearless when it comes to choosing who to keep and who to let walk away.
I am not saying that Holland cant be successful again, but history is def. against him suddenly changing his ways and making the necessary roster moves that this team needs. I think a change of scenery would be better for everyone involved...
The biggest issue I think is our lack of franchise players. Datsyuk is done. Kronwall and Zetterberg are shells of their former selves and should probably be solid complimentary pieces at his stage in their careers instead of heavy lifters. We have potentially Larkin and potentially Mrazek coming in to fill big roles, but even with their early promise they're both still big "IFs" and it still puts us down one franchise defensman and one franchise forward. Those types don't make it to free agency. They're very rarely traded. And unless you have a top 3 overall pick they're tough to pluck out of the sea of mediocrity that is the draft. Statistically our best bet is unfortunately probably to hope for finding a star in the draft. Who was the last franchise guy to make it to free agency? Praise and Suter? And even when that rare moment happened you're still competing with a handful of other teams for these type of players. Trading a franchise guy has become less common since parity redistributed the odds of success in the league. Why should a bottom-feeder drop their 1st line center for prospects and picks if they're only 4 points out of a playoffs spot in February? How often does that happen these days? Subban was traded. But he was traded for Weber.
I mean if I was GM I'm not sure my main strategy would be much different from Holland's. I wouldn't necessarily be locking up all this bottom-six talent, but I think my main focus for landing a franchise player would continue to be in the draft, and just keep vigilant on those rare moments if and when a big fish becomes available in the league.
Hahahah. That's true, the "we need to miss the playoffs for some changes" argument is definitely dumb. Failing isn't going to turn into success that easily.
There's no way in hell do I as a fan want to see The Streak broken. I'd much rather keep making the playoffs and get better than not make the playoffs and think magically the 14th pick will be good enough to bring us a Stanley cup lol. And us missing the playoffs isn't going to change free agency. Nor is it going to convince another GM to take on Howards contract. Or Ericssons.
Playoff success is completely irrelevant to contract dumps and pickups or winning the cup. Unless we tanked and got first round pick. But that's the most extreme and stupid way going about things with mostly uncertainty along the way.
If you asked me last year, I would have disagreed with this. But after 3 years of being KO'd from 1st round and this year was the most embarassing of all when we BACKED INTO the playoffs. Yet if there's still no change in the management philosophy then for sure this is concerning. I think rank #21 is a fair assessment. Some of the contracts given this summer have been awful. (I know some of you guys like those said contract players, but leaving emotions out of this I'm looking at it purely through $$ and success expectancy).
Still like the management overall for draft reasons and the hockey culture, but don't count me out from giving criticism when it's deserved. I certainly hope there's a trade to make up for some of these questionable contract extensions that have been given out.
And no I'm not blaming Holland or anything, he's only a part of the equation. It's an entire team of decision makers including Blashill.
We draft Quincy late in the 4th round. We spend 3 years developing him in Grand Rapids (He play in 13 games for the Wings during that time). Then... when he's out of options, we lose Quincy to waivers (While keeping Derek Meech and Brett Lebda).
Fine, whatever. As you said guys get put on waivers all the time. But the story doesn't end there.
The Kings pick him up off waivers and that same season he led their team's defense in scoring. He does well for Colorado too.
Then... He gets traded to Steve Yzerman and the Lightning. Moments later, Yzerman traded Quincy to Detroit (who originally lost him for nothing through waivers) for.....A 1st round draft pick!
Losing him to waivers (and then getting him back on the team) cost us a 4th round pick, 3 years of development AND a 1st round pick.
Losing a 4th rounder and 3 years development sucks
Losing a 4th rounder and 3 years development sucks when you keep Derek Meech and Brett Lebda on top of it.
Losing a 4th rounder and 3 years development sucks when you keep Derek Meech and Brett Lebda on top of it, and then on top of that have to spend a 1st rounder to get the 4th rounder back!
Suffice it to say I'm a little worried about Hollands ability to make the right decision about who gets waived and who stays on the team (for now). Of course all that could have been avoided if the Wings didn't bury guys in the minors and wait til 5 guys all lose their waiver eligibility at the same time to make a decision.
I know hindsight is 20/20 but this kind of incompetence really pisses me off
I was gonna say something about this and now I don't remember what it was....
I'm not going to defend the Quincey situation, that was definitely a black eye for the organziation, but that one player (I did forget about him). My point is more so about when guys like Nestrasil or Jensen get put on waivers and people act like its a big deal when its not.
Barring any season ending injury to a starter in the league this season, Holland is stuck with Howard. I thought Calgary and MAYBE Toronto would take a chance on him, but they got Elliott(which was a surprise move) and Andersen (who they resigned for 5 years) respectively for much cheaper.
If I were the Leafs I would definitely want Anderson over Howard, but I wouldn't say he is "much" cheaper. Anderson's caphit is 5million per year, Howard's is 5.3. Elliot is much cheaper though, but he is also a UFA in 1 year.