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#2531930 Holland Wiki page edited

Posted by frankgrimes on 13 July 2014 - 10:59 AM

Sure we could miss the playoffs and some will still say the exact same thing and use the exact lame excuses we've been hearing since 2009. Yeah and because this team is so great, many reputable and serious sources are having the Wings as UFA losers. I don't need to be a GM to accept the fact that Holland has become too emotionally attached to a declining roster without a real identity.

 

Niskanen would have been instantly this teams best defenseman so yeah what a horrible contract for a 27 old kid.

 

Haha building through the draft yeah right and that's why he traded away the most promising center prospect and a second for two months of Legwand AND created two of the most hilarious  UFA signings. Being too attached happens to the best of them and Holland is no exception here, I just don't understand why the guy doesn't want to move up and let a fresh guy run the show.




#2531929 Holland Wiki page edited

Posted by Zetts on 13 July 2014 - 10:57 AM

Yea, but no one says what they'd do as GM. I bet if the average Red Wing fan became GM, he/she would make horrible trades and sign over priced UFA's. We'd be like the Leafs and our team would be build around guys like Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Clarkson, van Reimsdyk and Bozak for the next 4 years plus. No thanks, I'll take Kenny, who's building the team with the draft, isn't signing any over priced UFA's, and actually knows how the cap works.

 

I understand signing Quincey and Cleary isn't "sexy", but they're only 1 and 2 year deals. That Niskanen deal is insane! Smith and Dekeyser are going to be better then him. Unless a team has drafted the player, I don't think any UFA should be signed for over 4 years. Do an online search and see how many horrible long term UFA signings there's been since 2005-06. The Wings don't have any bad ones over 3 years. The only potential bad one could be Weiss, but he's got a few years to still make the deal a good one.

Yes and Dan Cleary can play better hockey than anyone on this board too.  Like Cleary, Ken Holland is a professional (in theory), who is paid a LOT of money to do his job

 

Pretty much anyone in a professional field is better at their job than someone who isn't part of that field.  But that certainly doesn't mean that an outsider can't objectively see when someone is sucking at their job.

 

Edit: To add to that, if the new standard for managing the Wings is, "well, he's better than fans on a message board," we're in a s**t-tonne of trouble.




#2531926 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by Ekmanc on 13 July 2014 - 09:59 AM

I don't know what there is to be confused about, we have absolutely no direction...




#2531906 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by GoWings1905 on 13 July 2014 - 12:50 AM

With everyone healthy we'll easily make the playoffs....


Oh no, did I rock the doomsday boat?

No, nor was my previous post a doomsday prediction. Expecting the Wings to be entirely healthy just isn't realistic. The core players are a year older and all have recent injury histories. Last season was flukey in terms of man games lost and likely won't be repeated, but the Wings haven't maintained much consistent health as a team over the past five years.

You also said to ignore the defense. Which apparently is also Holland's motto, but a tough task considering how bad they were and how the Wings plan on using that same group again this season.


#2531883 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by GoWings1905 on 12 July 2014 - 10:22 PM

With everyone healthy were a 4 line team. Ignore the defense.

 

The former is highly unlikely and the latter is going to be tough to ignore. 




#2531921 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by LAWings on 13 July 2014 - 08:54 AM

Maybe they'll resign Bert and Sammy too as insurance policies again.  Putting the band back to together...reminds me of this:

 




#2531861 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by gcom007 on 12 July 2014 - 04:33 PM

I'll make it short: The good (drafting, prospects) far outweighs the bad (arguably the missed FAs, signing of washed up Vets).
And, maybe most important for me, the Organisation is a classy one and Holland is a huge reason for that. I don't want to win a cup if we deal with things like Vancouver or Montreal or with having players who behave like assholes on the ice like Lucic.

 

Since getting a new GM automatically means we become a scummy, bottom-feeding team full of assholes...




#2531795 What is the plan with Mrazek?

Posted by Krayzie_Bone on 12 July 2014 - 10:14 AM

Seems to be leave him in Grand Rapids until he is sick of it and leaves.




#2531785 What is the plan with Mrazek?

Posted by mvanpop on 12 July 2014 - 09:56 AM

I would go for this, besides having McCollum be the back up after Howie is gone. Maybe McC will have improved enough, but if not we could always sign a free agent back-up. Gus is only 29 so he could still be a viable back up at that time. Just not sure where he'd go in the intermittent season of the Howie/Mrazec year.


Gus could do a Ty Conklin and come back and I'm only saying McCollum if he improves enough to be an affordable backup that is used sparingly.


#2531769 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by Z and D for the C on 12 July 2014 - 08:40 AM

Hossa was offered the same contract they gave Franzen, he turned it down so they went with plan b and signed Franzen.


That is nothing but an excuse. Franzen was signed before Hossa and after there wasn't enough cap space to sign Hossa to a contract he deserved. Of course he would turn down Franzen money, he is worth way more. There is no excuse for such a horrible decision by Holland.


#2531740 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 July 2014 - 12:56 AM

Last time was almost totally on Cleary. He was offered a 3-year deal by Ken, turned it down....and then came crawling back cuz his heart was still in Detroit? If that was the case he would have signed the first deal. It was only when he found out that every other team thinks he is worthless that he came back cuz his 'heart' was here.

 

And this time around he won't give it up because of some 'handshake' deal that was made last time. He actually thinks he deserves special treatment after that god-awful season he had because of that 'handshake'.

 

As much as I blame Holland for signing him (and I do quite a bit, for he has total power to just walk away and not sign him), even he knows what a bad deal this is. Already he's trying to pawn it off on players/coach & good/bad loyalty quotes.

 

I can't be certain who initiated these talks but I'm sure his agent wasn't going to stop letting Holland know about that 'handshake'. And Holland to his greatest fault went for it.

 

I know monetary wise it'd be stupid to turn it down, but all this talk of his 'leadership' is bulls*** because the guy isn't a leader. He's a hound chasing a squirrel. One of your 'team leaders' shouldn't be dragging the team down, especially if that is literally the only supposed thing he brings to the table. If he was truly a team leader he would be doing what is best for the team, and whats best for the team is him off of it.

 

For simplicity's sake, I bolded the parts you're making up. 




#2531710 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by puckloo39 on 11 July 2014 - 10:18 PM


Even stranger was that you noticed the black hand but not the fact that they are moving backwards

 

I noticed it, but assumed you were making an oblique reference regarding the direction of the team after free agency. 

 

ha.




#2531709 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by Euro_Twins on 11 July 2014 - 10:18 PM

I was able to quickly fix their direction of travel

 

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that would imply that the organization is moving in the right direction, I honestly thought they were moving backwards on purpose lol




#2531704 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by FlashyG on 11 July 2014 - 09:50 PM

 

i Can't, I... just... Can't... stop... watching...


wait babs is black lol

 

:ranting: ...i was hoping nobody would notice.

 

Imageready doesn't have the best color editing tools so I couldn't make his hand white. The best I could do was grey so I just left it hoping nobody would notice.


Even stranger was that you noticed the black hand but not the fact that they are moving backwards




#2531696 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by FlashyG on 11 July 2014 - 09:21 PM

Don't worry Kenny's got a firm grip on the wheel.

 

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