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#2577109 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2015 - 11:59 PM

Sooooo, the Cole trade was a good one then?  Or bad?  I'm confused by this thread? 

 

Does Holland suck for the Cole thing or no?  I mean, I already know he sucks for not giving his job to a less qualified dude, just because said dude is a feel good story.  But does he suck for the trade? 




#2577105 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by number9 on 01 March 2015 - 11:55 PM

 

I don't take it as not being a pushover...i view it as selfish. Sure, it his job. A job that he's had 4 times as long as 95% of GM's. That said, he knew what Yzerman meant to this franchise, the city, and to the Ilitch family. I'm sure he would have been paid as much. If he was so unhappy, most teams would have hired him id imagine. But he HAD to be the GM at the expense of Yzerman leaving...most likely to not return. That, to me, isn't balls...its almost disrespectful to the wishes of the owner and the fans.

 

I know. I quit my job recently because the guy I trained to be a manager (I'm a manager as well) wanted my job. So instead on sending him to the branch that needed a manager I stepped down and assumed a corporate job I hate. Ain't I a good guy? Praise me.




#2577075 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by rick zombo on 01 March 2015 - 11:29 PM

I turn 30 in a month and I've been following the Wings since I was 7. Get rekt.


I'm 35 and have been following the Wings for 34 years. But 34 years for me is like 70 for a normal person because I'm as informed as it getzzzzzz yo.


#2577070 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by number9 on 01 March 2015 - 11:24 PM

 

How old are you? May I ask? I turn 29 this month and I've followed the Wings religiously my entire life from age 8. For some reason i actually retain most of the generally useless history, info, players, trades, and dialogue I've heard along the way. I've followed the Wings for the entirety of Holland's tenure as GM and I have a particular addiction to information I've come across about NHL front offices. I like to think, as a fan, I'm about as informed as I can be enough to make the claims I do.

 

Holland has done a lot of things right in his time with the Wings, but he also had an All-Star cast of Front Office support along the way...not limited to Dellevano, Scotty Bowman (who I believe brought way more than people even thought...and they thought he brought a lot), Nill, Mark Howe, and several others. But since those people have started moving on, his ability to make good trades has nose dived. If Babcock creates good coaches, I believe Holland was created by other good front office people. HE does not seem to be a great stand alone GM. The two things that he is most credited for are also other peoples jobs (cap management and scouting). 

 

This is far more than vibes bro, but thanks for playing.

 

I turn 30 in a month and I've been following the Wings since I was 7. Get rekt.




#2577047 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by rick zombo on 01 March 2015 - 10:48 PM

 
Ha! Exactly!
 
It's so awesome that we let Shanahan, Yzerman, and Nill walk and have Holland and Ryan Martin now. Anybody ever seen Holland and Martin in person? Especially Martin. Oh...I love Fischer, but he does not seem like a guy that should end up in the front office.
Holland and Martin both seem like huge pushovers, with Martin looking like and giving the vibe that he's never played hockey (although he may have) and has no clue what he's talking about. Nill, Yzerman, and Shanahan all have experience and the "i run the ship" look and personas. Im still pissed about how Ilitch asked Holland to step up and let Yzerman in and he wouldn't...YZerman should have been the face of this franchise and I'm sure Holland still would have had his prospect-giving-away hands all over everything anyway...


What kind of crap is this?

You have to strut around like Razor Ramon to be a good GM?

And as if Illitch asked Holland to step aside for Yzerman. And as if Holland would refuse.

Jesus.


#2567826 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by rick zombo on 02 February 2015 - 03:50 PM

This is what I would do at the deadline if I were Holland:

ARZ: Larkin, Smith, Natasiuk, 2016 1st
DET: Ekman-Larsson

WAS: Kindl (retain 50% of salary), Frk, 2015 2nd, conditional 2016 3rd
DET: Green

This is what I would do in the playoffs if I were Babcock:

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader
Weiss - Datsyuk - Tatar
Helm - Sheahan - Pulkkinen
Miller - Glendening - Franzen
Jurco, Andersson, Callahan, Cleary

Kronwall - Ekman-Larsson
DeKeyser - Quincey
Ouellet - Green
Ericsson, Marchenko, Jensen

This is what I would do at the draft if I were Holland:

EDM/BUF/CAR/ARI/NJ: Helm, Ericsson, Ferraro, 2015 1st, 2016 2nd, 2017 2nd
DET: 5th overall pick (Strome)

SJS: Nyquist, Jensen, 2017 1st
DET: Burns

This is what I would do to start next season if I were Babcock:

Abdelkader - Zetterberg - Burns
Weiss - Datsyuk - Tatar
Jurco - Sheahan - Pulkkinen
Miller - Glendening - Franzen
Andersson,  Callahan

Kronwall - Ekman-Larsson
DeKeyser - Quincey
Ouellet - Green
Marchenko

Hopefully we could roll something like this in 5 years:

Mantha - Strome - Burns
Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco
Zetterberg - Athanasiou - Pulkkinen
Abdelkader - Glendening - Callahan
Miller

Ekman-Larsson - DeKeyser
Ouellet - Sproul
Kronwall - Marchenko

Mrazek
Howard

 

You left out the part where you start dating Emilia Clarke after beating Mayweather for the heavy weight title.




#2566681 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by krsmith17 on 29 January 2015 - 07:54 AM

Yup, pretty damn funny isn't it? At some point, I'd like to sit down and read the whole thread for a good chuckle...

 

Some people just need to troll... Funny how the only person who "Liked" the OP's rant was fat guy in a maltby jersey...

 

These are the same people that are lingering around GDT's at the beginning of games when we go down by a goal or two, but mysteriously fade into the abyss when we score a couple to tie it, and eventually go on to win the game...

 

******* Hilarious... :lol:




#2555052 Honest question for everyone.

Posted by kipwinger on 09 December 2014 - 09:44 AM

How long do you have to see a player or team doing something before you put a label on them?

Like for example I've seen people call Franzen a 30 goal a year scorer even though he has done it once.

I'm just curious what peoples timelines are for putting a label on someone.

For me it's 2-3 years.


That's why I've personally given Weiss the injury prone tag cause that's how his last few years have been. But if he stays healthy for the rest of this year and next then I'll remove that injury prone label and pencil him in as a reliable second line player(hopefully center).

I only ask because people call me negative by using this method. But I feel that usin a 2-3 year rule is the best way to form an educated guess.

The last two years the wings finished 8th. So my educated guess was they'll finish in the 6th-10th range just because that's been the trend.

If Tatar scores 30 goals this year some people will consider that enough to label him a 30 goal a year guy? I want to see it for two years back to back or two out of three.

Some people jumped on the helm bandwagon last year when he scored at a higher rate than he ever did. I was called negative for saying that won't continue because of several years of stats showing that.


Would people consider nyquist and Tatar proven NHLers yet?

 

Weiss was injured for about as long as Brendan Smith was making boneheaded mistakes in the defensive zone (the lockout season and last season) and I didn't see you "labeling" Smith a turnover machine or f*** up.  Why?  Because you don't want to think that about Smith.  Just like you do want to think that about Weiss.  Because you'd rather be right than be accurate.  You can say "I've always said I want to be wrong about Weiss" but your entire body of work here on LGW suggests otherwise. 

 

Which, I suspect, is why people respond to you the way that they do.  I said the same thing you did about Helm's shooting percentage and wasn't called negative.  Again, why?  I'll tell you why.  Packaging.  If you don't want to be perceived as negative, then stop presenting your thoughts in a negative way.  If you don't care, then why make this thread?




#2554819 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 12:07 PM

I'm not sure why anybody thinks it is dumb for a reporter to ask a hockey player about Nelson Mandela when said hockey player is attending a ceremony specifically to honor Nelson Mandela. 

 

If Justin Verlander attended Margret Thatcher commemoration night, and when asked said "Ms. Thatcher is the best player the WNBA has ever seen, and I loved watching her play when I was a kid", he would be a fool.  As is Bernier, clearly.




#2554806 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by Son of a Wing on 08 December 2014 - 11:27 AM

If you don't know who Nelson Mandela is then your education system failed you...




#2554799 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by rick zombo on 08 December 2014 - 11:06 AM

No doubt the RW's O is playing well. We are healthy and playing mostly at home vs. weak teams. Keep piling up the points while we can. We all know this will turn later on. We have a 7 out of 9 road game stretch coming up soon. can we play .500 or better on the road? If we do we will have a nice points total at the end of the year-baring major injuries of course.

 

Just curious. When you say "we", are you really trying to speak for all Wings fans, or just the ones that "knew" that this team was a "borderline playoff team" before the season started?




#2553218 Alfredsson Set to Sign 1-day Contract with Senators

Posted by kipwinger on 02 December 2014 - 11:02 AM

Typical.  Another quality free agent signs to another team as a result of Ken Holland's inaction.  When will this joker's reign of terror end?!




#2550329 Nestrasil Waived / Claimed by Hurricanes

Posted by DickieDunn on 20 November 2014 - 07:20 PM

Nestrasil as a serviceable 4th liner who might be a decent 3rd liner someday. I really don't get why anyone is upset.


#2550324 Nestrasil Waived / Claimed by Hurricanes

Posted by number9 on 20 November 2014 - 06:58 PM

This is exactly the same thing as when we lost ritola to TBL. We didn't really lose anything.


#2550288 Nestrasil Waived / Claimed by Hurricanes

Posted by Son of a Wing on 20 November 2014 - 04:35 PM

Most people hadn't even heard of Nestrasil a year ago and now he has all this "potential" and mentioning him in the same breath as Pulkkinen and other prospects.

 

Gimme a break...