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#2204311 Bold predictions for the year!

Posted by hooon on 18 August 2011 - 09:07 AM

Franzen has scored 72 goals and 135 points in 174 games over the past three seasons. That's an average of 24 goals and 21 assists in 58 games each season. Or, for an 82 game season, it works out to 34 goals and 30 assists. But over his six seasons, Franzen has played 395 games, an average of 66 games. He's in his early 30s and is fairly injury prone, he is very streaky, and his work ethic on the defensive side of the puck is worse than any other player on the team; this is particularly sad given the fact that he started his career as a defensive center.


Umm....

Aren't you forgetting a special someone?


#2204308 Bold predictions for the year!

Posted by Crashnburnluder on 18 August 2011 - 08:07 AM

Franzen has scored 72 goals and 135 points in 174 games over the past three seasons. That's an average of 24 goals and 21 assists in 58 games each season. Or, for an 82 game season, it works out to 34 goals and 30 assists. But over his six seasons, Franzen has played 395 games, an average of 66 games. He's in his early 30s and is fairly injury prone, he is very streaky, and his work ethic on the defensive side of the puck is worse than any other player on the team; this is particularly sad given the fact that he started his career as a defensive center.


Hey you gotta give Eva some credit with this never say die attitude.... Eva just never quits...

My one bold prediction

Eva will name drop Hudler in a thread atleast three times a day for the entire season. Even if he gets traded.

Not overally bold unless you account on days where the board is down or Eva forgets to pay the internet bill...


#2204219 Bold predictions for the year!

Posted by hooon on 17 August 2011 - 12:58 PM

Franzen's career high is 63 points. In 2010 Franzen had 21 points in 27 games, so by your math over an 82 game season he would've scored 63.7 points (I rounded down). So his last three seasons he's actually averaged around 60 points.

;)


Don't forget that one game where the Mule scored 5 goals. Using that game as a sample size, he is projected to get about 410 goals a season, which seems pretty reasonable to me. He wasn't even on a line with Datsyuk that game! Imagine if he was, I think he could easily have a 1000 goal season.

Edit: Finishing second in points behind Hudler, naturally.


#2203866 Brunnström to try out for Wings

Posted by ElCapitan on 15 August 2011 - 04:56 PM

It's really too bad so many threads end up being Hudler threads. <_< Haven't we beaten this horse to death?

Back to the topic, I'm excited that Holland has given Brunnstrom a try-out. At worst case, it creates more competition in camp and that's always a good thing.


#2203864 Brunnström to try out for Wings

Posted by eva unit zero on 15 August 2011 - 04:32 PM

:hysterical:


From Feb. 7th to Feb 28th, it was Hudler/Datsyuk/Cleary for 11 games. Here are the stats:

Hudler 4g-10a-14pt, +7
Datsyuk 7g-5a-12pt, +6
Cleary 6g-6a-12pt, +5

Yep, not deadly at all. I certainly wouldn't want a line that posts that kind of numbers all year, plus the ability to dress Z, Franzen, and Filppula elsewhere in the lineup.


how about we start with NOT putting Hudler on the first line? Here I thought I would be the one to mention Hudler first.... I hope that Brunnstrom comes in and makes Hudler even MORE expendable...

On topic, this is a very exciting signing...for whatever it is he'll make, I am sure he will earn every penny of it... 20 pts for $500,000. Sure beats 37 pts. for $2.89M...


Hudler posting 37 is a low year, and he has been soundly criticized by just about everyone fot it. Brunnstrom posting 20 would be increasing his career total by 50%, after having only posted 35 points in 72 games in the AHL last year. By comparison, Cory Emmerton missed time injured, spent time in the NHL, and still posted 38 points in 65 games last year. He's also three years younger. So why would we keep Brunnstrom over Emmerton unless Fabio... err, Fabian, is some kind of wunderkind in training camp who will end up posting like 50 or 60 points this season?


#2203748 Bold predictions for the year!

Posted by eva unit zero on 14 August 2011 - 10:39 PM

The new NHL realignment will see campbell and wales conferences instead of east and west. Wings become the first team I can think of that has won both the prince g wales and Campbell cups.


The Wings have won 13 Prince of Wales trophies and 6 Campbell bowls. The Flyers have 4 and 6, and the Blackhawks 2 and 5, respectively.


- Helm gets 40 points with 20 goals
- Datsyuk stays healthy and has a breakout season, scoring 100+ points and 35 goals
- Franzen has a bad season and only scores 50 points
- Hank scores 90+ points
- Smith beats out Commodore for the 7th defenseman and has a breakout season
- Mursak gets a permanent role on the Wings and beats out Miller
- Jurco shows an incredible work ethic at camp but isn't quite good enough to make the roster (however he makes it in 2012-2013)
- Holland makes a huge trade at the trade deadline for a top 3 forward and Franzen is part of the deal


Franzen's career high is 59 and he has only cleared 50 points one other time in his career, being last season. Given his age, injury history, and performance over the past couple of years I would call 50 points a "good" season. A "bad" season based on his past couple years would be 25 or 30 points. Of course this is LGW, where Franzen is expected to put up *another* 40 goal season, despite never having done it before.

Also, if you are saying Smith beats out Commodore for the 7th defenseman, he's still in the press box. Which keeps him in Grand Rapids. So I'm going to assume you meant the #6 spot. And given the roles on the team, it's likely Smith would also have to beat out Ericsson or White for time to make the jump directly into the lineup this year.



#2203897 Bold predictions for the year!

Posted by DatsyukianDangles122 on 15 August 2011 - 07:11 PM


The Wings have won 13 Prince of Wales trophies and 6 Campbell bowls. The Flyers have 4 and 6, and the Blackhawks 2 and 5, respectively.




Franzen's career high is 59 and he has only cleared 50 points one other time in his career, being last season. Given his age, injury history, and performance over the past couple of years I would call 50 points a "good" season. A "bad" season based on his past couple years would be 25 or 30 points. Of course this is LGW, where Franzen is expected to put up *another* 40 goal season, despite never having done it before.

Also, if you are saying Smith beats out Commodore for the 7th defenseman, he's still in the press box. Which keeps him in Grand Rapids. So I'm going to assume you meant the #6 spot. And given the roles on the team, it's likely Smith would also have to beat out Ericsson or White for time to make the jump directly into the lineup this year.


Notice that the thread title says 'bold' predictions? That's what I did. And I guess I'm wrong about Franzen I'll change that to 40 pts.

God, why do you need to s*** on everyone elses predictions so much?


#2203875 Islanders Hosting Party to Celebrate Fight Night

Posted by hooon on 15 August 2011 - 05:52 PM

Is the party going to be in Kansas City?


#2203460 Third line players who suck

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 August 2011 - 12:27 PM


From Dec 2nd through Jan 22nd, Savard played 25 games and scored 2 goals and 8 assists. In that same time span, Hudler scored 3 goals and 8 assists in 24 games. Remarkably similar stats. You can go on about a non-concussed Savard, but what about a Hudler that hadn't gone to the KHL? Maybe he's an All-Star scorer and Selke contender. We don't have the "maybe what if" numbers. If you want those, we can get Jason Williams' injury history involved.

So in his 13 season career, you're going to use 25 games where he was returning from a devastating concussion to call Savard a third line forward? Makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:

Hudler was playing professional hockey in the KHL, while Savard was hoping headaches and other concussion symptoms would go away so he could start working out again. It's not nearly the same thing. And unlike your example with Hudler maybe being an all-star scorer, Savard has actually been just that. Twice. It's not speculation. It's happened.

Before the 25 game sample you've cherrypicked between his concussions, Savard had 33 points in 41 games. Before that when he was playing pretty much full seasons his point totals were 88, 78, 96 and 97. In other words, take most of Hudler's stats and double them, and you'll be around Savard's totals.

If you're trying to make a case to people that Hudler isn't as bad as people say he is compared to other third line players in the league (which is a relatively sound argument) you only weaken your case and credibility with crazy ass things like including Savard in the mix.

And making threats about derailing this thread with your absurd Jason Williams argument doesn't exactly strengthen your case either. Unlike Williams, Savard has put up impressive points totals in one single season.


In terms of raw talent, Hudler is the third most talented forward on the team. He had a terrible start o last year, and followed it up with a stellar second half. What most people are ultimately upset about is the fact that he is so talented, yet hasn't brought a huge year because of his size and speed. I'm expecting Filppula to start getting the same kind of hate soon; we're already seeing the "trade Flip for a real top-six forward and give Helm his job" stuff, and Flip has yet to really prove he can really be a second line center, when he's been paid like one for years.

It's like Brian Rafalski. People loved the signing, until he got older and was not one of the top five or ten best defensemen in the league. Then he became an overpaid liability and the worst defenseman on the team, even though he was still getting Norris votes.

Third?

Who is he in front of? Zetterberg? Franzen? It's sure not Dats.

Flip does get hate here, but even when he's underperforming offensively year after year, he's a solid two way center who can handle the second line. Hudler has zero other positive attributes other than scoring. So when he's not doing that, he's dead weight in the lineup. Especially when you consider that Flip only makes $125k more than Hudler, and they put up virtually the same point totals.

Don't get me wrong, I think everyone is eagerly waiting for Flip to produce more offensively, but when he's not, he's at least still useful.


#2203822 Brunnström to try out for Wings

Posted by Hank Dats 'N Homer on 15 August 2011 - 01:46 PM

I really don't mean to make this a Hudler thread... but Mursak has to earn a spot in the lineup first. And beyond that, the Cleary/Zetterberg/Hudler and Cleary/Datsyuk/Hudler lines were absolutely DEADLY combinations last season. So how about we start with:

Hudler/Datsyuk/Cleary
Franzen/Zetterberg/Holmstrom
Brunnstrom/Filppula/Bertuzzi
Mursak/Helm/Eaves

OR

Hudler/Zetterberg/Bertuzzi
Filppula/Datsyuk/Franzen
Cleary/Helm/Eaves
Brunnstrom/Abdelkader/Holmstrom

The third line here is basically a ramped up version of the fourth line in the previous lineup. This lineup also allows for less even strength time for Homer while still keeping him in an effective role; his line has some offensive talent but can be used as a checking line as it is anchored by Abdelkader. I would expect, though, to have something closer to the first lineup but with Abdelkader instead of Brunnstrom.


Come on really? You say mursak needs to earn a spot but you go ahead and assign Hudler to a first line role? Did i miss something? Last i checked, Hudler was an undersized 2nd/3rd liner healrhy scratch last year, whom has been discussed in numerous trade rumors around Detroit. Theres no denying that babcock isnt a huge fan of him as it is, he doesnt play defense, and refuses to shoot the puck...where in all that did he earn a 1st line spot. I dont like to come in and flame people about stuff, but you somehow turn everything into a Hudler discussion and you make him out to be way better than he is. Its just getting a little old...whenever i see your name in a thread now i know im going to read something about Happy Hudler. Im not a Hudler hater by any stretch, im pretty neutral, but how/when did he earn a first like spot on this team? It baffles me, especially when you come in talking about other players having to earn spots in the lineup, but somehow give Hudler top honors like hes a top 20 player in the league.


#2203697 Datsyuk or Zetterberg

Posted by eva unit zero on 14 August 2011 - 03:29 PM

I picked Zetterberg. He's the guy who's always looked to for the defensive shutdown, he's a top scorer in the league, he's an amazing all-around player, and he's a great leader. Datsyuk is flashier, but I think Z is the better player. Dats also will cost considerably more soon; he already has a higher cap hit and his contract ends soon, while Z has a lifetime deal.

But ultimately, if we're looking for cap space, can't we just trade Franzen instead? I mean come on. He might be worth a $4m cap hit now, but he probably won't be worth it in three years. He only makes $2m less than Zetterberg. Would you rather have Franzen and a third liner, or Zetterberg? That's like asking "Do you want me to punch you in the face and the stomach, or kick you in the balls with steel-toed boots?"



#2203750 Datsyuk or Zetterberg

Posted by eva unit zero on 14 August 2011 - 11:01 PM

Oh come on... How do you even get away with this stuff?


The same way most people on the board get away with saying Hudler had a terrible season despite the fact that:

He finished tied at 159th in forward scoring with 37 points.
He tied for 7th among Wings forwards in points despite being 9th in ice time.

But ultimately, this thread isn't about me or Hudler, so let's stop this s*** and everyone can stop taking the little jabs at me because they think they're the next Jose Jalapeno... on a stick.


Zetterbeg is going to be a mess in the future


Dats has only played 6 more games than Z since Z entered the league. Dats also missed time injured for two separate stretches last year, and was injured in the playoffs.

Don't be so quick to say "Z is injury prone, keep Dats!!!"



#2203753 Datsyuk or Zetterberg

Posted by Red Wings Addict on 14 August 2011 - 11:24 PM

The same way most people on the board get away with saying Hudler had a terrible season despite the fact that:

He finished tied at 159th in forward scoring with 37 points.
He tied for 7th among Wings forwards in points despite being 9th in ice time.

But ultimately, this thread isn't about me or Hudler, so let's stop this s*** and everyone can stop taking the little jabs at me because they think they're the next Jose Jalapeno... on a stick.


Hmm... I'm supposed to say something like "Well, this thread isn't really about Franzen either" but I'm just going to skip to the end. You make me feel ashamed of the human race. That is all.


#2202005 Nabokov plans to report to NYI's training camp

Posted by Red Wings Addict on 02 August 2011 - 03:20 AM

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT.


LOUD NOISES!


#2200867 Kris Draper announces retirement

Posted by stinky fish taco on 25 July 2011 - 11:59 AM

this offseason just gets better and better.