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#2203748 Bold predictions for the year!

Posted by eva unit zero on 14 August 2011 - 10:39 PM

The new NHL realignment will see campbell and wales conferences instead of east and west. Wings become the first team I can think of that has won both the prince g wales and Campbell cups.


The Wings have won 13 Prince of Wales trophies and 6 Campbell bowls. The Flyers have 4 and 6, and the Blackhawks 2 and 5, respectively.


- Helm gets 40 points with 20 goals
- Datsyuk stays healthy and has a breakout season, scoring 100+ points and 35 goals
- Franzen has a bad season and only scores 50 points
- Hank scores 90+ points
- Smith beats out Commodore for the 7th defenseman and has a breakout season
- Mursak gets a permanent role on the Wings and beats out Miller
- Jurco shows an incredible work ethic at camp but isn't quite good enough to make the roster (however he makes it in 2012-2013)
- Holland makes a huge trade at the trade deadline for a top 3 forward and Franzen is part of the deal


Franzen's career high is 59 and he has only cleared 50 points one other time in his career, being last season. Given his age, injury history, and performance over the past couple of years I would call 50 points a "good" season. A "bad" season based on his past couple years would be 25 or 30 points. Of course this is LGW, where Franzen is expected to put up *another* 40 goal season, despite never having done it before.

Also, if you are saying Smith beats out Commodore for the 7th defenseman, he's still in the press box. Which keeps him in Grand Rapids. So I'm going to assume you meant the #6 spot. And given the roles on the team, it's likely Smith would also have to beat out Ericsson or White for time to make the jump directly into the lineup this year.



#2203897 Bold predictions for the year!

Posted by DatsyukianDangles122 on 15 August 2011 - 07:11 PM


The Wings have won 13 Prince of Wales trophies and 6 Campbell bowls. The Flyers have 4 and 6, and the Blackhawks 2 and 5, respectively.




Franzen's career high is 59 and he has only cleared 50 points one other time in his career, being last season. Given his age, injury history, and performance over the past couple of years I would call 50 points a "good" season. A "bad" season based on his past couple years would be 25 or 30 points. Of course this is LGW, where Franzen is expected to put up *another* 40 goal season, despite never having done it before.

Also, if you are saying Smith beats out Commodore for the 7th defenseman, he's still in the press box. Which keeps him in Grand Rapids. So I'm going to assume you meant the #6 spot. And given the roles on the team, it's likely Smith would also have to beat out Ericsson or White for time to make the jump directly into the lineup this year.


Notice that the thread title says 'bold' predictions? That's what I did. And I guess I'm wrong about Franzen I'll change that to 40 pts.

God, why do you need to s*** on everyone elses predictions so much?


#2203875 Islanders Hosting Party to Celebrate Fight Night

Posted by hooon on 15 August 2011 - 05:52 PM

Is the party going to be in Kansas City?


#2203460 Third line players who suck

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 August 2011 - 12:27 PM


From Dec 2nd through Jan 22nd, Savard played 25 games and scored 2 goals and 8 assists. In that same time span, Hudler scored 3 goals and 8 assists in 24 games. Remarkably similar stats. You can go on about a non-concussed Savard, but what about a Hudler that hadn't gone to the KHL? Maybe he's an All-Star scorer and Selke contender. We don't have the "maybe what if" numbers. If you want those, we can get Jason Williams' injury history involved.

So in his 13 season career, you're going to use 25 games where he was returning from a devastating concussion to call Savard a third line forward? Makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:

Hudler was playing professional hockey in the KHL, while Savard was hoping headaches and other concussion symptoms would go away so he could start working out again. It's not nearly the same thing. And unlike your example with Hudler maybe being an all-star scorer, Savard has actually been just that. Twice. It's not speculation. It's happened.

Before the 25 game sample you've cherrypicked between his concussions, Savard had 33 points in 41 games. Before that when he was playing pretty much full seasons his point totals were 88, 78, 96 and 97. In other words, take most of Hudler's stats and double them, and you'll be around Savard's totals.

If you're trying to make a case to people that Hudler isn't as bad as people say he is compared to other third line players in the league (which is a relatively sound argument) you only weaken your case and credibility with crazy ass things like including Savard in the mix.

And making threats about derailing this thread with your absurd Jason Williams argument doesn't exactly strengthen your case either. Unlike Williams, Savard has put up impressive points totals in one single season.


In terms of raw talent, Hudler is the third most talented forward on the team. He had a terrible start o last year, and followed it up with a stellar second half. What most people are ultimately upset about is the fact that he is so talented, yet hasn't brought a huge year because of his size and speed. I'm expecting Filppula to start getting the same kind of hate soon; we're already seeing the "trade Flip for a real top-six forward and give Helm his job" stuff, and Flip has yet to really prove he can really be a second line center, when he's been paid like one for years.

It's like Brian Rafalski. People loved the signing, until he got older and was not one of the top five or ten best defensemen in the league. Then he became an overpaid liability and the worst defenseman on the team, even though he was still getting Norris votes.

Third?

Who is he in front of? Zetterberg? Franzen? It's sure not Dats.

Flip does get hate here, but even when he's underperforming offensively year after year, he's a solid two way center who can handle the second line. Hudler has zero other positive attributes other than scoring. So when he's not doing that, he's dead weight in the lineup. Especially when you consider that Flip only makes $125k more than Hudler, and they put up virtually the same point totals.

Don't get me wrong, I think everyone is eagerly waiting for Flip to produce more offensively, but when he's not, he's at least still useful.


#2203822 Brunnström to try out for Wings

Posted by Hank Dats 'N Homer on 15 August 2011 - 01:46 PM

I really don't mean to make this a Hudler thread... but Mursak has to earn a spot in the lineup first. And beyond that, the Cleary/Zetterberg/Hudler and Cleary/Datsyuk/Hudler lines were absolutely DEADLY combinations last season. So how about we start with:

Hudler/Datsyuk/Cleary
Franzen/Zetterberg/Holmstrom
Brunnstrom/Filppula/Bertuzzi
Mursak/Helm/Eaves

OR

Hudler/Zetterberg/Bertuzzi
Filppula/Datsyuk/Franzen
Cleary/Helm/Eaves
Brunnstrom/Abdelkader/Holmstrom

The third line here is basically a ramped up version of the fourth line in the previous lineup. This lineup also allows for less even strength time for Homer while still keeping him in an effective role; his line has some offensive talent but can be used as a checking line as it is anchored by Abdelkader. I would expect, though, to have something closer to the first lineup but with Abdelkader instead of Brunnstrom.


Come on really? You say mursak needs to earn a spot but you go ahead and assign Hudler to a first line role? Did i miss something? Last i checked, Hudler was an undersized 2nd/3rd liner healrhy scratch last year, whom has been discussed in numerous trade rumors around Detroit. Theres no denying that babcock isnt a huge fan of him as it is, he doesnt play defense, and refuses to shoot the puck...where in all that did he earn a 1st line spot. I dont like to come in and flame people about stuff, but you somehow turn everything into a Hudler discussion and you make him out to be way better than he is. Its just getting a little old...whenever i see your name in a thread now i know im going to read something about Happy Hudler. Im not a Hudler hater by any stretch, im pretty neutral, but how/when did he earn a first like spot on this team? It baffles me, especially when you come in talking about other players having to earn spots in the lineup, but somehow give Hudler top honors like hes a top 20 player in the league.


#2203697 Datsyuk or Zetterberg

Posted by eva unit zero on 14 August 2011 - 03:29 PM

I picked Zetterberg. He's the guy who's always looked to for the defensive shutdown, he's a top scorer in the league, he's an amazing all-around player, and he's a great leader. Datsyuk is flashier, but I think Z is the better player. Dats also will cost considerably more soon; he already has a higher cap hit and his contract ends soon, while Z has a lifetime deal.

But ultimately, if we're looking for cap space, can't we just trade Franzen instead? I mean come on. He might be worth a $4m cap hit now, but he probably won't be worth it in three years. He only makes $2m less than Zetterberg. Would you rather have Franzen and a third liner, or Zetterberg? That's like asking "Do you want me to punch you in the face and the stomach, or kick you in the balls with steel-toed boots?"



#2203750 Datsyuk or Zetterberg

Posted by eva unit zero on 14 August 2011 - 11:01 PM

Oh come on... How do you even get away with this stuff?


The same way most people on the board get away with saying Hudler had a terrible season despite the fact that:

He finished tied at 159th in forward scoring with 37 points.
He tied for 7th among Wings forwards in points despite being 9th in ice time.

But ultimately, this thread isn't about me or Hudler, so let's stop this s*** and everyone can stop taking the little jabs at me because they think they're the next Jose Jalapeno... on a stick.


Zetterbeg is going to be a mess in the future


Dats has only played 6 more games than Z since Z entered the league. Dats also missed time injured for two separate stretches last year, and was injured in the playoffs.

Don't be so quick to say "Z is injury prone, keep Dats!!!"



#2203753 Datsyuk or Zetterberg

Posted by Red Wings Addict on 14 August 2011 - 11:24 PM

The same way most people on the board get away with saying Hudler had a terrible season despite the fact that:

He finished tied at 159th in forward scoring with 37 points.
He tied for 7th among Wings forwards in points despite being 9th in ice time.

But ultimately, this thread isn't about me or Hudler, so let's stop this s*** and everyone can stop taking the little jabs at me because they think they're the next Jose Jalapeno... on a stick.


Hmm... I'm supposed to say something like "Well, this thread isn't really about Franzen either" but I'm just going to skip to the end. You make me feel ashamed of the human race. That is all.


#2202005 Nabokov plans to report to NYI's training camp

Posted by Red Wings Addict on 02 August 2011 - 03:20 AM

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT.


LOUD NOISES!


#2200867 Kris Draper announces retirement

Posted by stinky fish taco on 25 July 2011 - 11:59 AM

this offseason just gets better and better.


#2200790 Free agency in 2012

Posted by Bannedforlife on 24 July 2011 - 08:24 PM

His first post and he's already bagging on Eva! Hilarious!


#2200541 Draper or Hudler?

Posted by 55fan on 23 July 2011 - 08:34 AM

About f'in time this poll went the right way! I can't even believe it was this close, let alone tipped the other way this long...

You forgot to factor in the time zones. When the poll came out Mrs. Hudler, Grandma Hudler, and the Russian Hookers were all asleep or working.


#2198895 Nicklas Lidstrom HHOF Waiting Period

Posted by Nev on 17 July 2011 - 06:49 AM

Jeez Eva, did Messier run over your dog or something?

As for the poster who said Lidstrom wasn't as good as Yzerman. Er, no. Yzerman was, at best the 3rd best center of his era. Lidstrom is, at worst the 2nd best defenceman of all time. Yzerman may mean more to Wings fans for lots of reasons, but no way is he a better player




#2198618 nashville's new home jersey

Posted by PredsFanTheBayouState on 14 July 2011 - 10:13 PM

Really because I think it would be embarrassing to use a lame nickname for your city that tells what you do well as a basis for a sports logo or sweater...
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:D :D :D :D :D

Honestly it is a huge step forward, but that logo is still awful. Reminds me of the Nucks last update. :sly:

BTW, sarcasm folks about our logo.

No hate here, it is the best logo ever.



that is not the best logo ever.would hate that on the front on my jersey.


#2198509 Still some noise about Wings picking up a top 4 Dman

Posted by Travis on 14 July 2011 - 12:11 PM

Maybe Shea Weber will pull a "Hulk Hogan to the NWO" move, and join the Wings.

:D


That would be so awesome. I used to always imagine that if hockey was like wrestling, a player would fire a puck into his own net in a tied playoff game - removing his jersey to reveal the opponent's sweater.