ogreslayer

So let's see...

Did Parise already know the Wild were interested in him before this broke?  Yes, unless he doesn't have access to newspapers, tv, radio, or the internet.  Since I have never seen an Amish hockey player, I assume he does have access to all of those.

Does Parise already know the maximum any team can offer him?  Yes, if he knows anything about the current CBA he does.  No team can offer him a salary that is worth more than 20% of their salary cap at the time he is signed.  With the current temporary cap set at ~$70m, any team can offer him the maximum of $14m a year.  I would think that Parise's smart enough to know he's not getting that type of money though.  More realistically, and this is just my opinion, he's probably looking at Brad Richards or Ilya Kovalchuk type money & he knows that already.

So all that Parise got out of Nanne's comments are: The Wild are interested in him & that they think nobody will be able to outbid them for his rights.  I would have a feeling he knew all of this to begin with unless he lives in a cave when not at the rink.  I'm sure he also knows that Detroit is interested & thinks that nobody will outbid them.  Probably the same for the Rangers although he already said he wouldn't consider signing with them.  

To recap: No new information really in anything Nanne said & it wasn't direct comments from anyone within the Wild organization.  If this were tampering, Lou Lamoriello would already be all over this like he was with the Scott Stevens episode back in 1994 & as of yet, there hasn't been a single peep out of him or anyone within the Devil's organization about it.  And as to comparing this to rape & demanding both parties be put under oath?  Please, just step away from the Law & Order reruns on cable.

Also, he said it on radio and is a credible source, an investigation has to happen.

No, no it doesn't.  Simply put, there was no public comment made by any member, past or present, of the Minnesota Wild organization in regards to going after Parise in free agency.  That really is the only way that the league will automatically go after the team for tampering.  

Sure, the Devils could file tampering charges & try to convince the Commissioners office to investigate.  Realistically, the only way that happens is that Parise ends up signing with the Wild straight out of the gate on July 1st.  And if all the league can find is that a 72 year old former GM of a completely different club, popped off at the mouth during a radio interview, nothing will come of it.  Unless they can find hard evidence that there was a distinct plan to leak info out to the public (say like in an internal email chain) through Nanne or, like in the case of the Blues tampering w/ Scott Stevens when he was an RFA years ago, the actual existence of a contract that was drawn up & discussed with Parise's agent prior to July 1st, the whole thing will go nowhere.

I have a question about the rules that I cannot lock down.

The Wild owner just let it leak out that he will not be outbid for Parise... while he was still under contract and the Devils have exclusive negotiating rights.

Holland said it himself during an NHL Live interview, that he can't name names before July 1st or it would be tampering.  

Now we know the Lions lost a draft pick recently when former KC coach Cunningham said he would like to get a player that was undercontract with the Chiefs.  I can only assume the same system is in place for all of the sporting leagues.

Now, why hasn't there been any talk about hitting the Wild with a penalty over this?


If the Devils were trying to sign Parise for a hypothetical amount- such as 7 Million- and he was asking for 8 hypothetically, then it is possible by July first they negotiate to somewhere in the middle... such as 7.5.  Saying this can allow the agent of Zach to say, he just said they won't be outbid.  Not only are we going to get 8 there, we are going to get 9 million there, 8 was the hometown discount for you.  We demand 8.  Now the Devils are stuck paying 8 or letting Zach walk and get at least 8 from the Wild.  

See how that should be cheating?  The general feeling seems to be that since the source was a friend who had dinner with him...  At least that is what George Malik thinks.  I think that is a weak defense.  Why doesn't Holland just go out with a Ashar Khan for dinner and give him a list of names and say this is off the record WINK.  Then he could write a story and Holland could deny it and say I wouldn't do that because it would be cheating?  You know why he doesn't do it, because he is classy.

I just want to know, what are the rules and what should happen?  Also, why aren't we more upset about this.  I think we should point this out, because it would piss us off if it happened to us.  It also could inhibit our ability to get him if we choose to bid for his services.

The link to the source is below.

The Skinny.

Doesn't anyone ever read?  Where exactly in your original post do you "clearly state it was second hand"?  In fact, in the bolded piece above, you stated that "The Wild owner just let it leak out".  No, the entire story is about Lou Nanne, who has absolutely no affiliation with the Wild & is not a journalist, taking the story to the press.  By saying "the owner leaked it" you either had to be there to hear the conversation or you're making a "wild" assumption.  Unless the NHL has proof, i.e. they heard Leipold tell Nanne to go to the press with the info OR if Leipold himself had made those comments in public or to a member of the press, they're not going to do anything.  There's absolutely no evidence that Leipold wanted that in the press, again just assumptions.  Bottom line, the NHL isn't going to start handing out fines & taking draft picks away on assumptions.  And btw the Nanne situation in no way, shape, or form would compare to Holland going out to dinner with an Ashar Khan, who is a journalist, and dropping information about the who's & how much's they're going after as UFAs.  There is a much much greater expectation of conversations being private when had among friends when compared to being had with journalists either on or off the record.

All it is at this point is hearsay...

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Noun
1. unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another & not part of one's direct knowledge
2. an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor

Until it is verified, as in Leipold or Fletcher confirm the conversation went like that, it is 100% NOT tampering & nothing will ever come of it.

Cheli trying to push for Suter to sign in Chicago?  I call bulls*** on that rumor given that, oh I don't know, the fact that Cheli actually works for the Wings maybe.

Because, per the source, it wasn't anyone from the Wild that actually made the comment public.  The guy who made the comment is the former GM of the Minnesota North Stars and the comments were based on a conversation he supposedly had with the current owner & GM of the Wild.   Minnesota North Stars...Minnesota Wild... See the difference? In fact, Lou Nanne has never been affiliated with the Wild at all.  It wasn't Leipold, Fletcher, or anyone else in the Wild organ-i-zation that made public comments.

To give you an example, that would be the equivalent of former Maple Leaf's GM John Ferguson coming out & saying in an interview that he just played golf with Kenny Holland & they had a long chat on the back 9 about the Wings going after Ryan Suter.  Does he now represent the Wings organ-i-zation by making that comment?  No, it is considered hearsay unless it can be confirmed with Holland & that wouldn't happen.  IF Kenny confirmed it, THEN that would be tampering.

I hope to god that this not true,not ready to face the truth that the preds will never be a stanley cup contender.

Search your feelings.  You know it to be true.

Interesting rumor coming out of the league offices evidently:

From Denis Bernstein

League exec told us last night he expects Preds to deal Suter rights around draft, 'just like they did with Hamhuis, Hartnell and Timonen'

https://twitter.com/DennisTFP/statuses/212623343097098242

So what are the chances Nashville will want to deal with Kenny & if so, how much of a higher price will Kenny have to pay?  Maybe Kenny can get Stevie to trade for his rights & then flip them over ala the Quincey deal.  

Is it wrong that the first thing I thought of was Harry Potter?

Would that make Helm...The Boy Who Skated or The Forward Who Lived?  


Why yes, yes I am a geek  

I do like the horn too! But they also need to stop all the personal goal scoring music AND the music that "means something" like the Billy Joel 1..2..3..4, I cannot stand it personally.  Just blast the f'ing horn and play a song like maybe go back to EMF's Unbelievable or Gary Glitter's Rock N' Roll Part 2. I have always wished for Welcome to the Jungle when the starting lineups skate out on the ice too. Or someting by Ministry, like NWO or Just On Fix or Jesus Built My HotRod...That would get the NEW place rockin!

No on EMF because it's not 1990 and the song sucked back then too & no on Gary Glitter because it's not 1972 & personally, I think it would be a good thing to keep all association with kiddie porn out of the new arena.  Parents, keep this guy away from the young 'uns:



I say keep the personalized goal songs for players but just update them a bit. I've always been disappointed they never busted out Tool's song 'Hooker with a Penis' as Hudler's goal song.

Did not Abdelkder go straight from MSU to the Wings? yes he did.

Uh no, not really unless you're using the 2 games he played in the regular season in 2008 after leaving school as "straight to the Wings".  He spent a good portion of 2 seasons in Grand Rapids.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8471716

If that really is the definition of straight to the Wings then, I guess we can say Riley Sheahan did the same thing.

Start at goalie, it is the easiest to answer. McDonald will be gone and a UFA will come in. McDonald has zero trade value, so either will be cut or become a throw in on a deal. There are several veterans goalies that could be had this year. No major changes in the roster, cap, or status of the team. If possible I would try to extend Howard now, rather than risk him next offseason.

Who is this McDonald guy you keep talking about?  The Wings have no such person on the roster.  Oh, you mean Joey MacDonald?  I seriously doubt he'll be cut or thrown in on a deal.  He'll be put through waivers & either play in GR or the Wings lose him if another teams wants to claim him.  So realistically, he'll be in GR splitting time with McCollum and/or Petr Mrazek throughout the season.

Short answer: No  

Long answer: Noooooooooooooo

Helm is the straw that stirs the drink that is the bottom 6 as was seen in the Nashville series as soon as he went down.  No way Kenny trades off Draper 2.0.

I say bring Homer back for one more year, give him the C, & watch hilarity ensue as refs across the NHL have to translate his Swenglish.

1. Zetterberg
2. Datysuk
3. Kronwall
4. Franzen

1. Zetterberg
2. Datysuk
3. Kronwall
4. 20. Franzen

Or maybe...

1. Zetterberg
2. Datysuk
3. Kronwall
20. Al Sobotka
4. 21. Franzen

He should be a special guest there to speak for Lids. Damn the Lightning fans that get upset

Personally, I think Nick is doing well enough speaking for himself.