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#2354235 Tomas Tatar Is Jiri Hudler 2.0

Posted by ogreslayer on 11 February 2013 - 01:18 PM

Most if not all of our euro players play in the no contact pro leagues in europe before they come over. Then they play in Toledo and/or GR. Z and dat where/are different cats than the rest of these guys. Always have been and always will be.
But back to the point, none of our guys at Tol/GR are future stars. A 40 point guy isn't terrible. It is however a terrible thing for your team when 75+ point guys are getting replaced by 40 point guys. That is the problem.

FYI, the Wings do have another forward on the roster that came straight to the Wings from overseas without going through GR after being drafted. Note "being drafted" so no, I'm not talking about Brunner. Also, 2 of the prospects mentioned below are expected to do the same thing.

The idea that the Wings leave most or all Euro prospects in Europe first before bringing them to North America is as much a myth now as the ones going around about the Wings only drafting Europeans & drafting small. If you go through the current list of European born prospects, 7 are either in or spent time in a Euro league after they were drafted (Calle Jarnkrok, Teemu Pulkkinen, Mattias Backman, Alexei Marchenko, & Rasmus Bodin who are in Europe now and Joakim Andersson & Adam Almquist who are in Det/GR) & the other 6 (Being Nyquist, Mrazek, Tatar, Jurco, Frk, & Tvrdon) were already in North America or came over immediately after being drafted.

But back to Tatar. In his 3 years of development (all in GR btw) after being drafted at the age of 18, he's averaged .69 points a game & that includes his stints in Detroit. If you take out his games with the big club & just look at his scoring pace in a "minor league", it bumps to .72 a game, which is what Datsyuk put up in his 3 years in the RSL after being drafted by the Wings. Also consider that Tatar is doing that over a longer season & against theoretically tougher competition. Zetterberg btw put up .82 a game in Sweden before coming over to Detroit.

If you really just want to compare Tatar to Hudler though, Huds put up .97 points a game in GR compared to Tatar's .72. The difference though, which is what will ultimately separate Tatar from those Hudler comparisions, is that Tatar isn't as one dimensional as Huds. He can skate, plays with energy, can forecheck effectively, isn't afraid to muck it up in the corners, and actually plays defense. He's got enough upside where I think he should be considered Tatar 1.0, not Hudler 2.0. Completely different players.

#2354018 Do We Really Need a New Stadium?

Posted by ogreslayer on 10 February 2013 - 03:20 PM

"Stadium"?  No, but the Wings could use a new arena.  Just make sure to bring the boards from the Joe though.

#2352681 2/7 GDT : Red Wings 5 at St. Louis Blues 1

Posted by ogreslayer on 07 February 2013 - 09:47 PM

Think Howie's on the bench asking where the hell this team has been the last couple of games?

#2349117 Paul Kelly: Expansion coming

Posted by ogreslayer on 30 January 2013 - 10:45 AM

This smacks of "As owners we're OK with the money we lost in the lockout, because we'll just turn around & create two new teams and rake in that expansion fee money to make up for it". Certainly doesn't look like it's for the overall health of the league to me, just the owners' wallets.

#2348503 coach disagrees with refs - hilarious

Posted by ogreslayer on 29 January 2013 - 04:39 PM

I was afraid, between the tux & the sunglasses, that he was going to break out a little Gangnam Style on the ice.  Could break a hip doing that.

#2348472 Kindl's future...

Posted by ogreslayer on 29 January 2013 - 03:18 PM

I completely agree, and I don't mean to sound like I think the guy should be given a spot just because he's been around a while.  He needs to sink or swim, BUT I also think it's unfair to suggest (not that you did) the guy is sinking when he hasn't been given any kind of regular playing time, and when he does, he's typically utilized incorrectly.  Tonight he'll be paired with a shutdown guy, he should be able to play to his strengths (the transition game), and he'll get some time on the PP.  That's using his skill set properly.  If they do that for 3 or 4 games and he still doesn't look good, then I'd say it's fair to cut him loose. 

Definitely hear you there. Tough to give up on a guy who was your highest draft pick in a decade & still hasn't hit the age when most d-men in the league "get it" according to most experts.

In a way, what Kindl is going through is similar to Huds imo. Happy needed to be a top 6 forward to be effective, yet year after year the attitude seemed to be that he had to prove his worth on the bottom 6. To say that didn't fit his wheelhouse would be an understatement. Round peg meet square hole.

#2348447 Kindl's future...

Posted by ogreslayer on 29 January 2013 - 02:34 PM

I am fine with playing Kindl. he needs to play so we knwo if he has a future with us or not. Q should be on the bench though, not lashoff. Once White comes back healthy and no further injuries, buyout quincey. it was a mistake to resign him. Time to man up and admit it, so we all can move on.

Won't happen this season. Teams had to use their one accelerated buyout prior to the start of the season. If Q's bought out, it will have to be this summer.
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#2348391 Wings Looking For Defenseman

Posted by ogreslayer on 29 January 2013 - 11:55 AM

White needs to come back. If defense is a huge weakness, we can't afford to lose any competent defenders. On the blue line, Kronwall and White would be untouchable. Smith is very close to being untouchable, unless they can land someone his own age but better, and Lashoff should stay to develop. I think Big Rig has a NTC, so we are atuck with him. Buy Cola, Huskins and Kindl are fair game, though Huskins is proving his worth.

On the front end Flip is expendable. He's good, but we can do without him if we get something good in return.

I wouldn't call White untouchable given that he's a UFA at the end of the season. If the Wings are out of the race & a team wants to pick him up for the stretch run or playoffs, flip him for an extra pick or prospect if possible.

#2348390 Things that are better than the Wings special teams.

Posted by ogreslayer on 29 January 2013 - 11:50 AM

mistaking KY jelly for smuckers jelly 


#2348063 Things that are better than the Wings special teams.

Posted by ogreslayer on 28 January 2013 - 06:54 AM

Sidney Crosby's playoff "beard"

#2347368 Brunner Equals Clutch/Work on Signing *merged

Posted by ogreslayer on 27 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

I assume everyone knows that Sutherland plays hockey and is a huge hockey fan, and actually named his character after his ice skates.  Just a fun fact...

He named his skates Jack?   :tounge:

#2346786 1/25 GDT : Wild 3 at Red Wings 5

Posted by ogreslayer on 25 January 2013 - 09:31 PM

Coincidence that the Wings are looking much better tonight?  The same night that Darren Helm returns to the lineup?  I think not....

#2346766 1/25 GDT : Wild 3 at Red Wings 5

Posted by ogreslayer on 25 January 2013 - 09:23 PM

on the fox detroit coverage they are saying he wants to be call "Brooner" now. and apparently Parise wants to be called "Par-easy". Noone gives a s*** about the latter.

Zach Parcheesi?  

#2346485 1/25 GDT : Wild 3 at Red Wings 5

Posted by ogreslayer on 25 January 2013 - 08:35 PM

Brunner can now have any nickname he wants

#2346075 Brunner is a start, but.....

Posted by ogreslayer on 25 January 2013 - 11:38 AM

Obviously I'm getting restless wanting to see these guys. We need shots, shots, shots.


I love Hank, but I would say his shot is above-average at best. And Pav/Fil never shoot.


Need more shots....


The way the first 3 games have gone, I've needed more shots to get through them too.