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#2359455 Anyone ever used a 2-3 system before?

Posted by ogreslayer on 22 February 2013 - 01:29 PM

Why not a 2-2-2?












(Bert as emergency back-up)



#2359450 Mursak on waivers

Posted by ogreslayer on 22 February 2013 - 01:23 PM

Pretty much says too that the Wings have no intention of re-signing him at the end of the season.  Not a shock there.  I'm calling it now though: He gets picked up by LA, signs with Colorado in the off season, & gets traded back to the Wings via a 3 way deal with Tampa for a 1st rounder in a few years.

#2359435 Trading Filppula

Posted by ogreslayer on 22 February 2013 - 01:00 PM

Take out all the words in your post and then you have a worthless post.


Well, it's worthless either way.



As usual with Flip, look at even strength scoring. Third on the team, 2 less than Pav, 4 less than Z. He seems to not be scoring, but it's because he doesn't have any points on the PP. Why? Because he plays with scrubs on the 2nd PP unit.


That said, he has played pretty crappy the past few games. Last night was a little better. He'll get it going again, though.



PS: Who had the most even strength points last year? Filppula.


Worthless?  Seriously?  I think your crush on Flip is coloring your interpretation of what I wrote a little too much.  All I'm saying is it comes down to is the front office's expectations of what type of player Val would be for them going forward & whether the two sides agree to how much that's worth.  It's all a value equation, that's no different for Val than it is for any other player.  


Let's take a look at two examples from last season, Hudler & Stuart.  There was plenty of chatter in the media about neither re-signing with Huds wanting more money & a larger role on the team & Stewie wanting to go back to Cali for family reasons.  Even though neither were obviously traded at the deadline despite Kenny knowing they weren't going to re-sign, you better believe it was considered.  If their current+future value to the team is less than the value of what the Wings are offered in return, it can & will happen.  While Huds & Stewie held no future value to the team at the trade deadline last season, they held current value at the time because the Wings were jockeying for playoff position.  If they were out of the playoff hunt, current value is nil & the chances of both being traded at the deadline would have been damn close to 100% as far as I'm concerned.  


So let's say that Val & his agent want him paid like a top 6 defensively responsible forward who plays in all situations & puts up around 70 points a season like he did last year.  We're talking Kesler/Bergeron range so put it at $5m+ a year.  What if Kenny & his staff think his ceiling is the 40 point range which is worth $3.75-4m a year, Val & his agent disagree and say unless you pay him he's gone?  Not out of the realm of possibility at all.  (See Hudler, Jiri)  If the Wings are out of the playoff hunt at the deadline, they're sure Val is going to sign somewhere else, & a playoff team is willing to offer picks and/or prospects to rent him for a run at The Cup, Kenny would be insane not to consider it.


If the Wings front office doesn't know the price they would ask for every player in their organization, not just UFAs/RFAs but current rosters players & prospects too, no matter the circumstance i.e. lock for playoffs, in contention, out of the race, etc., they aren't doing their jobs.  To say with 100% certainly that a player would never be traded is just ridiculous. Better believe that right now Kenny has a good idea what it would take for him to trade even Pavel.  There's always a price, it's just whether or not you can find someone to meet it.

#2358532 Trading Filppula

Posted by ogreslayer on 21 February 2013 - 07:21 AM

Take out Flip's 3 points from the 4th game of the year & he's put up a whopping 5 points in the past 12 games.  His so called "breakout season" of 66 points last year is looking more & more like an aberration.  If he really is in the Wings' long term plans, you would think Kenny's talking to his agent already about an extension.  If the ceiling of his prime years is going to be as a complimentary 2nd line winger/sometime center that can't put up more than 40 points a season but plays a defensively responsible game, he shouldn't look for too much of a raise.  If he is & you know you're going to cut him loose at the end of the season, flip him to a contender for at least a little compensation if you're already out of the playoff run.  A little return is better than none after all.

#2358351 Buffalo Fires Ruff

Posted by ogreslayer on 20 February 2013 - 03:32 PM

Jeremey Roenick calls for it & it happens. Can we get him to say publicly that someone should trade the Wings a #1 d-man for spare parts & picks too?

#2355205 2/13 GDT : St. Louis Blues 4 at Red Wings 3 (OT)

Posted by ogreslayer on 13 February 2013 - 10:03 PM

if it goes to a shootout, will the Wings actually get shots on goal then?  


On a side note, yes The Crossover looks like it's complete dog ****.

#2355179 2/13 GDT : St. Louis Blues 4 at Red Wings 3 (OT)

Posted by ogreslayer on 13 February 2013 - 09:55 PM

Think Homer's watching the game up in the suite thinking "If Cleary still has a job, I could still play...for sure."?

#2355100 2/13 GDT : St. Louis Blues 4 at Red Wings 3 (OT)

Posted by ogreslayer on 13 February 2013 - 09:08 PM

Put Cleary and QUincey in a boat, push it out into Lake Michigan and then sink it.


With all the Swedes in the organization, maybe go with a Viking funeral instead.

#2354711 Biggest mistake Red Wings have done

Posted by ogreslayer on 13 February 2013 - 02:33 PM

Something tells me that you are hot for Nyquist, perhaps a bit too much so. It's like, you think he is our future, even though he is relatively unproven at the NHL level. Can't quite put my finger on what gives me that impression.  ;)
Samuelsson, Miller, and Bertuzzi have all proven themselves. All three are tougher than Nyquist. It's not like we have a lack of small skilled forwards on the team.

I still hold the opinion that if there would have been a full season with a full training camp & pre-season with it, the team would look significantly different. Instead of ragging on Kenny, I think he deserves credit for bringing in some known-qualities veteran players to in essense enhance the organizational depth they'll need to make it through the season.

#2354609 The Dynasty

Posted by ogreslayer on 13 February 2013 - 09:44 AM

Seems to me that if you have to name it anything (which I think is unnecessary when it comes right down to it) name it after the man that was really responsible for all of it....the Mike Ilitch Era.  

#2354435 Ryan Whitney

Posted by ogreslayer on 12 February 2013 - 03:12 PM

Before anyone else does it, I'm going to post (though sarcastically) that maybe they'll trade him to the Wings for Emmerton, Mursak, & a 5th. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to Kenny trying to make a deal for him, I just wonder what the Oil would ask.
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#2354270 Joakim Andersson Recalled

Posted by ogreslayer on 11 February 2013 - 04:09 PM

I may be in the minority here but I havent been all that impressed with Andersson. For having a big body, he doesnt use it alot. What does he bring to the tabe for this team? I know he is young but he certainly hasnt dazzled. I would prefer Eaves in the line-up


Small sample size but he holds a 71.4% face off percentage right now.  Certainly beats the 45.5% win percentage held by the Wings current 4th line center.

#2354235 Tomas Tatar Is Jiri Hudler 2.0

Posted by ogreslayer on 11 February 2013 - 01:18 PM

Most if not all of our euro players play in the no contact pro leagues in europe before they come over. Then they play in Toledo and/or GR. Z and dat where/are different cats than the rest of these guys. Always have been and always will be.
But back to the point, none of our guys at Tol/GR are future stars. A 40 point guy isn't terrible. It is however a terrible thing for your team when 75+ point guys are getting replaced by 40 point guys. That is the problem.

FYI, the Wings do have another forward on the roster that came straight to the Wings from overseas without going through GR after being drafted. Note "being drafted" so no, I'm not talking about Brunner. Also, 2 of the prospects mentioned below are expected to do the same thing.

The idea that the Wings leave most or all Euro prospects in Europe first before bringing them to North America is as much a myth now as the ones going around about the Wings only drafting Europeans & drafting small. If you go through the current list of European born prospects, 7 are either in or spent time in a Euro league after they were drafted (Calle Jarnkrok, Teemu Pulkkinen, Mattias Backman, Alexei Marchenko, & Rasmus Bodin who are in Europe now and Joakim Andersson & Adam Almquist who are in Det/GR) & the other 6 (Being Nyquist, Mrazek, Tatar, Jurco, Frk, & Tvrdon) were already in North America or came over immediately after being drafted.

But back to Tatar. In his 3 years of development (all in GR btw) after being drafted at the age of 18, he's averaged .69 points a game & that includes his stints in Detroit. If you take out his games with the big club & just look at his scoring pace in a "minor league", it bumps to .72 a game, which is what Datsyuk put up in his 3 years in the RSL after being drafted by the Wings. Also consider that Tatar is doing that over a longer season & against theoretically tougher competition. Zetterberg btw put up .82 a game in Sweden before coming over to Detroit.

If you really just want to compare Tatar to Hudler though, Huds put up .97 points a game in GR compared to Tatar's .72. The difference though, which is what will ultimately separate Tatar from those Hudler comparisions, is that Tatar isn't as one dimensional as Huds. He can skate, plays with energy, can forecheck effectively, isn't afraid to muck it up in the corners, and actually plays defense. He's got enough upside where I think he should be considered Tatar 1.0, not Hudler 2.0. Completely different players.

#2354018 Do We Really Need a New Stadium?

Posted by ogreslayer on 10 February 2013 - 03:20 PM

"Stadium"?  No, but the Wings could use a new arena.  Just make sure to bring the boards from the Joe though.

#2352681 2/7 GDT : Red Wings 5 at St. Louis Blues 1

Posted by ogreslayer on 07 February 2013 - 09:47 PM

Think Howie's on the bench asking where the hell this team has been the last couple of games?