Red Kingdom 4 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 Fox Sports Jay Glazer is reporting that Mooch has been fired and Tony Ortiz of 1270 is confirming right now, on the Sports Inferno Show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 1,049 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 PC @ 4pm /Does Happy Dance //Take Garcia & Tollner with you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowingsgo 3 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 One word for the Detroit Lions: CONTRACTION Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bringback91 2 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 That's the best thing that could have happened. Now may be instead of draw plays on 3rd and 7 we can throw the ball. I also hope this solidifies Jeff's place on the bench. Now KJ can get more than 14 carries a game also. Bye Bye Mooch your the only Detroit coach that REALLY deserved it. Although I am really impressed with Babcock. Go Lions! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Satrebil 0 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 Bring back Wayne Fontes! Maybe he can coax Barry Sanders out of retirement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muse 3 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 PC @ 3pm /Does Happy Dance //Take Garcia & Tollner with you! /take the whole team and management staff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakChamber 8 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 The front office and the ownership needs to go too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 1,049 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 /take the whole team and management staff In all fairness I think the the foundation for the team is pretty strong (except for the OL, of course). I thought that it was more of a case of Mariucci taking the players he had and trying to get a square peg to fit into a round hole. It just wasn't going to work without changing his offensive philosophy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 (edited) How about take everyone except KJ and Willaims X2? *edit* for the offense of course, the defense is quite fine. Edited November 28, 2005 by dallas27 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muse 3 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 I just got this email from WDFN (Detroit radio station): BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!! Attention One Seeds. As WDFN told you first this morning, Lions head coach Steve Mariucci has been fired by the Detroit Lions. Also fired were tight ends coach coach Andy Sugarman and OL coach Pat Morris. WDFN is live and local with this story. Keep your radio turned to Sports Radio 1130 WDFN all day for all the breaking news including Matt Millen's press conference today at 4pm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fightfan24 0 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 Bring in Mouse Davis and the run and shoot! lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muse 3 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 In all fairness I think the the foundation for the team is pretty strong (except for the OL, of course). I thought that it was more of a case of Mariucci taking the players he had and trying to get a square peg to fit into a round hole. It just wasn't going to work without changing his offensive philosophy. What about Millen's philosophy? Do you trust that next year he'll bring a coach to the team that won't be similar to his last two choices? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 I don't know what they'll end up with for a coach, but I think they need a tough guy. A ballbuster who will set the tone early in training camp and only back off players as they earn it throughout the season. All those young players they've drafted at the skill positions have been coddled and allowed too much room since they arrived. The coaching staff needs to get tough with them and make clear their expectations from the get go. Also, make a commitment to run the ball more. And throw a downfield pass more than once in a blue moon. To have that kind of physical talent at your disposal at the receiver position and not create the matchup problems they should force is a big mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnogrodnickfanclub 0 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 THE FRANCHISE IS IMPLODING!!!!! Dre Bly was on NFL network and said the Joey was the fault that Mooch got fired. Feels that Mooch was a great coach. Bly thinks that if you draft a top 10 ever year and still lose, it can't be the coaches fault (to me, that's backwards logic Dre). Said that if Garcia was their starter and stayed healthy, the Lion's would have a winning record and Mooch would still be the coach. Feels that a lot of guys on the team should have been fired a long time ago ahead of Mooch. Said Joey has looked bad on Sunday's and in practice ever since he's been a Lion. Jeff Garcia said Mooch just wasn't right for the job. Said that Mooch's relaxed attitude and atmosphere he creates worked in SF because they had veterans. But Garcia thinks that with all the young players on the Lion's, that a nice guy like Mooch just can't get players to do what they are told. Dick Jauron (our new interim head coach) said that NONE of the players have been following ANY of the schemes all year long and that everybody was just freelancing. I heard from someone else that Roy Williams was on some interview and he endorsed Joey and said it's not his fault that coach got fired...it was a whole lotta poeple's fault that Mooch got fired. There's a lot of finger pointing going on...this team is imploding... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 johno, I knew I could count on you to come in and take an optimistic, positive approach to the Lions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 General consencence(sp?) around the sports shows is that Millen should also be on his way out. Marrioti also made a valid point that they only have one playoff win since 1957 and there was one constant in that: The Fords. Top 10 players and coaches should go hand in hand. Coaches should be good enough to improve those players and those players should be good enough to rely on their skills as this process goes on. KJ and Roy are the only ones that have actually showed this. It's not going to happen but they should get rid of Millen, Joey, Garcia, the o-line, make the Fords resign, and they sign a vetern qb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 It doesnt matter...the Lions will bring in some idiot who will be deemed our savior. We'll make the playoffs twice in the next ten years. And we all know what happens to the Lions in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingsFan4Life 0 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 I agree with the team lets blame the coach not the s***ty owners we've had for years. Typical lions move fire the coach go another 3 - 5 years without doing s**t. Fire another coach rinse and repeate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted November 28, 2005 (edited) Why didn't they fire Tollner, too??? Firing a few random assistants seems weird (though the OL is in such a mess, Morris probably had to go). Wonder what they didn't like in Sugarman? And how soon is Tollner out the door? General feeling around the league for several years now is that Millen should be on his way out. I'm torn. Millen has made some pretty shrewd draft-day moves, like the trades to land us Kevin Jones. He's made some good choices, too - Jeff Backus, Shaun Rogers, Kalimba Edwards, Andre Goodman, Boss Bailey, Cory Redding, Terrence Holt, Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, Teddy Lehman, Kelly Butler, Shaun Cody have all been Millen pickups, and the Lions are respectable on the defensive side of the ball. For the most part, his drafts have been praised by the same experts who call for his firing the next moment. That said, he is responsible for building the offensive side of the ball and should be held accountable. So I probably would not be sorry to see Millen go, but I don't think the Lions need to start completely over, as they did by hiring Millen. They have some decent starting blocks. That's why I don't want to draft another franchise QB to develop, and would prefer to trade for Matt Schaub. EDIT - my bad...according to the AP, Tollner has been demoted to tight ends coach to replace Sugarman (good harmless place for him, maybe he can cure Marcus Pollard of the dropsies) and QB coach Greg Olson will call the plays. Probably too late in the season to install a new offense (hopefully, next season, one that has NOTHING TO DO with the West Coast) but maybe Olson can gradually introduce a new concept to the offense for the next few games: actually getting wide receivers open more than 2 yards downfield. And using Kevin Jones would be nice. Edited November 29, 2005 by betterREDthandead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Kingdom 4 Report post Posted November 29, 2005 Olson was the OC last year in the last half of the season and that's when the Lions offense started taking off. Jones had those 100+ yd games, Joey was actually getting the ball downfield. Look for the same thing to happen next Sunday. He'll probably turn Jones loose, instead of JOnes gettig a dozen carries, he'll get about 25. Of course this all hinges on whether the players haven't already mailed it all in and already have their bags packed for the last game. Someone brought up the fact that the Lions have only 1 playoff win since 57. Actually, the Lions had some really good teams up to about 63-64. They would usually always finish with a 10-2 or 9-3 or 8-4. The only thing keeping them from winning another NFL title was Green Bay. If the Lions finished a season 10-2, the Packers would be 11-1 and they would go to the title game vs the Eastern Conf team, usually, Baltimore or NY. They had some lean years in the mid-60's until Joe Schmidt took over as coach and then they got pretty good again finishing with a 8-5-1 record in 70, then losing to Dallas 5-0 in the playoffs. After that is when things really got bad which carries on to this day. Hell, it used to be a big deal to see the Lions end up with a 7-9 or 8-8 or 9-7 record. Mostly, it was like they've been for the last 5 years. Things started going bad when Ford took over in 64. Before that he was part of a group of owners, whom he bought out and became sole owner in 64. I think the WC Ford Sr. wants to win but, just doesn't know how to hire the best people. Make no mistake, Sr. has the last word. Bill ford Jr. has nothing to say about it. He's tried a couple of times to influence his dad with some ideas of his own but, daddy shoots them down. If and when Jr. takes over then you might see things go in a more positive way. Or, winning is not the first priority for Ford. He's making tons of money on the Lions with both ticket sales and tv rights, which brings in more money than tickets. If the lions happen to get pretty decent and win more than lose and make the playoffs, Ford will be happy. After all, it'll mean more money in the bank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted November 29, 2005 Olson was the OC last year in the last half of the season and that's when the Lions offense started taking off. Jones had those 100+ yd games, Joey was actually getting the ball downfield. Look for the same thing to happen next Sunday. He'll probably turn Jones loose, instead of JOnes gettig a dozen carries, he'll get about 25. Of course this all hinges on whether the players haven't already mailed it all in and already have their bags packed for the last game. You're right....forgot about that. Could the Lions actually be thinking of letting him call the shots on offense permanently? Even if so, it doesn't do anything about the horrendous O-line. Raiola, DeMulling, and Kosier have got to go, NOW, and Woody should be next if he doesn't start playing like the Pro Bowler he's supposed to be. Butler and Backus, I'm OK with keeping, Butler's talent became clear when he left the Atlanta game and Harrington immediately started getting sacked like a Lions head coach. I wonder if D'Brickashaw Ferguson (another UVA product - can you tell I'm a little biased that way?) can be converted to an inside position. He might be able to move in one spot to LG from his normal LT position. I'd be pretty comfortable, if I were the next Lions QB trying to throw the ball, if Backus and Ferguson were protecting the blind side - Ferguson is, as of now, a projected top-5 pick. And who wouldn't want a guy named D'Brickashaw on their team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted November 29, 2005 By the way, guess who is now the senior coach in Detroit? Mike Babcock... Hired 6 days before Flip Saunders. And neither of them have even gotten through a full season. Rough year to be a coach in Detroit - we started the year with Dave Lewis, Larry Brown, Alan Trammell, and Steve Mariucci, and they're all out the door. And John L. Smith and Lloyd Carr haven't exactly had banner seasons either - Carr is likely safe but Smith could be gone by New Year's, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J-Swift 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2005 The front office and the ownership needs to go too. I concur. They have no idea how to run a football franchise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted November 29, 2005 (edited) The front office and the ownership needs to go too. That's an understatement. The Lions have the worst management and ownership in the NFL. Firing coaches is nothing to get excited about. God himself couldn't guide those sad sacks into a winning season......... Edited November 29, 2005 by RockyMountainWingGal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGoonSquad0208 1 Report post Posted November 29, 2005 I think Millen will try to get someone who is hard pressed in practices and doesn't allow slacking ex. Mike Ditka Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
