Steve Moore interview

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

wake up!!!!!

[BlakChamber 8]

I don't know how anyone can watch that video and not be disgusted. You can try to justify it any way you want, "he didn't mean to hurt him that bad, etc, etc. But Bertuzzi made such a poor reckless choice that cost another guy his career and could've frickin killed him. I just can't respect a guy like that.

I agree. The way this get's rationalized blows my mind.

I'll cheer for Bertuzzi since I want him to help the Red Wings win the Cup. But I don't have much respect for the guy.

[Viperar 16]

You know what gets my goat about the hit on Moore is that no one mentions the Avs player jumping on Bert's back as the possible cause of the injury Moore suffered. It's all a bad circumstance but Moore's neck sure took a good second beating on the insuing hit Bert took after the original suckerpunch and push.

Read my post, i actually mention that the pile on moore doesnt help his situation which indeed many people overlook.

I don't know how anyone can watch that video and not be disgusted. You can try to justify it any way you want, "he didn't mean to hurt him that bad, etc, etc. But Bertuzzi made such a poor reckless choice that cost another guy his career and could've frickin killed him. I just can't respect a guy like that.

tino, then stop watching hockey, because to be honest there are tons of hits that are much worse than this, peoples heads into boards, backs into benches, head into ice, that could turn out way worse than this but it just happened that moore fell awkwardly and it ended his carrer. Open your eyes and actually provide an argument before you just state youre disgusted like every other bandwagon hockey fan accusing bert of being a criminal without actually providing an argument as to how, while watching the hit, its bert's fault, and that it is COMPLETELY out of the norm compared to any other hockey hit.

I agree. The way this get's rationalized blows my mind.

I'll cheer for Bertuzzi since I want him to help the Red Wings win the Cup. But I don't have much respect for the guy.

Thanks for becoming the beacon of hypocrisy, hate someone for what they did but enjoy having them on your team, laughable at best.

[Chairman Maouth 97]

Screw politcal correctness.

I'm still not convinced that Moore hasn't been able to play, and been able to play for a long time.

[BlakChamber 8]

Thanks for becoming the beacon of hypocrisy, hate someone for what they did but enjoy having them on your team, laughable at best.

How? I don't have to respect the guy to want to see him do well on the Wings. I never said I enjoyed having him on the team, but since he is, I'm not going to hope the guy does poorly.

[Viperar 16]

How? I don't have to respect the guy to want to see him do well on the Wings.

Thats like arguing that oh this guy is a convict but has the possibility to become a good teacher, let him teach

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Thanks for becoming the beacon of hypocrisy, hate someone for what they did but enjoy having them on your team, laughable at best.

I'm pretty sure what he's saying is he roots for this:

And not this:

[BlakChamber 8]

Thats like arguing that oh this guy is a convict but has the possibility to become a good teacher, let him teach

Depends on what he was convicted for

And HoH is right on.

[Viperar 16]

thanks for the visual aids i was having trouble comprehending....

Depends on what he was convicted for

And HoH is right on.

bahahahaha, look i know what youre saying and that if hes gonna help the wings thats great, but honestly go to youtube, look up hockey hits, and come back and tell me if you didnt see over 10 hits that coudl have resulted in much worse

[edicius 3,269]

You know what gets my goat about the hit on Moore is that no one mentions the Avs player jumping on Bert's back as the possible cause of the injury Moore suffered.

That's the first thing I always notice. Yet Steve Moore isn't suing any Avs players. Tragic occurrence, but there were a lot of factors that could have caused Moore's injuries.

[Turretin 0]

That's the first thing I always notice. Yet Steve Moore isn't suing any Avs players. Tragic occurrence, but there were a lot of factors that could have caused Moore's injuries.

It would be really hard to prove the causation element of his prima facie case against the teammates that jumped on later. There, because they did not initiate the incident, there would have to be an even closer link between them and the injuries. With Bertuzzi, it is pretty clear that his actions are the actual and proximate cause of the injury, regardless of whether Moore's neck was broken by the punch, the fall, or the piling on.

EDIT: Mods, thank you for deleting the despicable comment made on page 1. LGW is impressive in its maturity.

Edited March 8, 2007 by Turretin

[wingslogo19 281]

wake up!!!!!

I needed that im just sick of hearing about it that's all

[TheWestWing 71]

then stop watching hockey, because to be honest there are tons of hits that are much worse than this, peoples heads into boards, backs into benches, head into ice, that could turn out way worse than this but it just happened that moore fell awkwardly and it ended his carrer. Open your eyes and actually provide an argument before you just state youre disgusted like every other bandwagon hockey fan accusing bert of being a criminal without actually providing an argument as to how, while watching the hit, its bert's fault, and that it is COMPLETELY out of the norm compared to any other hockey hit.

If you would actually read and not just get all of your info from youtube, perhaps you'd become a lil more informed - but dont worry - you have lots of comapny here.

'Criminal charges filed against Bertuzzi in Vancouver resulted in a guilty plea and a sentence of one year's probation plus 80 hours of community service.' So whether you concur with the Kanadian justice system or not, by their standards he did commit a crime and therefore IS a criminal.

And dont just watch the hit - watch the overhead of Bert following him from one end to the other in the third period of an 8-2 game before the suckerpunch. I'm not going to argue the staple (cant quite use the word tradition) of fighting in hockey, but if he wanted to retailiate then get in his face in the first period and just drop the gloves. That's why I mentioned the fact that Moore was mic'd up for that game and I'd really like to hear the tapes if they're around - stuff like 'we're gonna get you' that was alluded to in the interview normally would be just trash talk but it seems like more than that based on the context of events that transpired.

But thats not my point - my point was that watching him on the ice will always make me think of Moore - just as seeing Lemeuix conjurs about thoughts of Mac and Drapes - the diff being that I'll have to see Bert in every RW game (at some point). I wont root for him but I will root for my team.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

My last and final post on the Bertuzzi incident:

Bertuzzi obviously intended to hurt Moore, he probably just didn't figure he'd break his neck.

Moore did not "deserve what he got" because of the Naslund hit. There is a way to handle these things in the game of hockey, and what Bertuzzi did is well outside of that.

It is clearly among the worst incidents in modern hockey. McSorley, Johnson, Bertuzzi. Why do you think it was televised around the world in places that normally don't say anything about hockey? Anyone who says there've been many worse hits is full of sh*t. It was among the worst cheapshots the game has seen. He chased him down and exacted revenge by punching him from behind. That's different than throwing an elbow when you're checking a guy.

Bertuzzi is completely responsible for Moore's broken neck. First, if had to pick a moment that may have snapped his neck, I would choose the point where a 6'3" 245 lb guy coldcocked him from behind to the back of the head, not a bunch of guys lying on his body. Either way, Moore's lights were out when he hit the ice, so whether it was the punch, his head hitting the ice, or the guys on top of him, none of that happens if Bert doesn't knock him unconscious.

Bertuzzi's suspension should've extended 10 games into the season when the NHL resumed. He didn't deserve banning for life, but I think he deserved a little more public shame when the game resumed. "Everyone gets to play hockey, except you Todd. you gotta sit for a bit." I'm sure though that's exactly why the league didn't extend it. They wanted this incident behind them.

It doesn't matter if Moore was a 4th liner or not. Bertuzzi stripped him of his ability to play hockey at any level. And no one here knows what the extent of Moore's injuries really are. Post concussion syndrome is a strange beast.

Bertuzzi is now a Red Wing. I'll probably never be a fan of the guy, but I guess a part of me does hope he can resurrect his hockey career here in Detroit and earn some respect back as a player.

All that being said, I'm gonna try not to talk about this crap anymore and argue with people who cling to the "stepped on his stick" or "Moore deserved it." It's now about Bertuzzi getting healthy, and hopefully becoming a power forward again.

Edited for my ever failing grammar.

Edited March 8, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[Viperar 16]

I have watched video and analysis through and through, and I rest with my point that yes, bertuzzi went out to hurt moore, yes it was a cheapshot illegal hit, but then again i myself am guilty of slide tackling pretty nasty playing soccer, i guess im just "lucky" none of those turned into a broken leg that prevented a player frmo playing ever again.

I guess then it all comes down to how lucky one is while placing a hit, if the guy is hurt, youre in trouble, if not, play on, thats a load of bulls*** if you ask me

[Inultus 12]

How common is it for people to have such lingering effects from a concussion? Did Moore have a history of concussions?

Either way, Bert was wrong, he apologized, and yeah, these hits happen all the time, even in beer leagues. 99% of the time no one has permanent injuries, but it just happened to be Bert who caused an injury.

It's over and he's a Wing now. I believe that he won't cheap hit anymore.

[Jwo 7]

I DVR it and I just watched it and I got alittle disgusted by Moore's comments on how Canada picked Bertuzzi for the Olympics was wrong.

I would like to hear those tapes from Moore's mic during that game.

[wingslogo19 281]

How common is it for people to have such lingering effects from a concussion? Did Moore have a history of concussions?

Either way, Bert was wrong, he apologized, and yeah, these hits happen all the time, even in beer leagues. 99% of the time no one has permanent injuries, but it just happened to be Bert who caused an injury.

It's over and he's a Wing now. I believe that he won't cheap hit anymore.

Nope im sure if he does something dirty again he won't be playing for anyone

[Mudvayneowns91 0]

I'm glad I didn't start this one (for once). It's crap what Bertuzzi did, but bickering about what ifs and trying to justify it by saying there are worse hits is pretty pointless. It was terrible, shouldn't of happened, but arguing about it wont change a thing.

[wingslogo19 281]

I'm glad I didn't start this one (for once). It's crap what Bertuzzi did, but bickering about what ifs and trying to justify it by saying there are worse hits is pretty pointless. It was terrible, shouldn't of happened, but arguing about it wont change a thing.

It won't

[drwscc 212]

I just don't understand why people make such a big deal about this. I understand that it was a cheap shot, and may have ended Steve Moore's career, but it was all a freak accident that happened during something that happens almost all the time.

9 times out of 10, if someone gets decked out there, they don't go out like a light, and crash head first into the ice.

Even when they do (See Chris Drury getting laid out at the Sabres/Sens game a couple of weeks ago) the injury is not that severe, and everyone forgets about it.

Yes, Bertuzzi was stupid to go after Moore..Moore obviously wanted no part of that fight.

Bert continued to push it, and with a seemingly innocuous punch from behind, history was made.

It happens..athletes let their emotions get out of hand all the time, and bad things can happen. It doesn't mean Bertuzzi's a scumbag. How many dirty cheapshots did he have before then?

I mean, by the logic being used, Sterling Marlin, the NASCAR driver, is responsible for the death of one of the greatest NASCAR heroes ever in Dale Earnhardt Sr.

Sterling Marlin bumped Earnhardt from behind, causing him to spin and veer up into the wall at 150 MPH.

So the NASCAR community banned Marlin, and everyone villified him, and called him a murdering douchebag, right?

Nope. He's still racing (last time I checked anyway) and noone ever mentions that he's the one that started the chain reaction that killed a legend.

I think the same should apply here. Bertuzzi did what he did, and has been punished. It was a freak accident with bad consequences, and he has to live with the knowledge of what he did for the rest of his life. Just let it go already.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I don't know how anyone can watch that video and not be disgusted. You can try to justify it any way you want, "he didn't mean to hurt him that bad, etc, etc. But Bertuzzi made such a poor reckless choice that cost another guy his career and could've frickin killed him. I just can't respect a guy like that.

So you don't respect Darren McCarty either. That's cool. Just so's we're straight.

[regwinguofmfan 0]

Would it make some of you feel better it Bert caught Moore with his head down and ended his carrer that way?

These guys are athletes, they are always one weird bounce or injury away from losing the ability to play.

As long as hockey is a contact sport their will be questionable hits.

Until I see the footage of Bert leaving the bench with a knife or brass knuckles to go after Moore, I will assume he didnt intend to really hurt the guy. Rough him up, sure, but break his neck, thats crazy.

Do you guys feel that players that stick out a knee should be banned from the NHL if they blow some guys knee out and end his carrer?

Far more likly to end someones carreer going knee to knee than punching them in thte head.

[Mudvayneowns91 0]

I'm a avid espn viewer. Just thought that this was kinda interesting considering the conversation

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2791699

[Wingsfan31 0]

I just don't understand why people make such a big deal about this. I understand that it was a cheap shot, and may have ended Steve Moore's career, but it was all a freak accident that happened during something that happens almost all the time.

9 times out of 10, if someone gets decked out there, they don't go out like a light, and crash head first into the ice.

Even when they do (See Chris Drury getting laid out at the Sabres/Sens game a couple of weeks ago) the injury is not that severe, and everyone forgets about it.

Yes, Bertuzzi was stupid to go after Moore..Moore obviously wanted no part of that fight.

Bert continued to push it, and with a seemingly innocuous punch from behind, history was made.

It happens..athletes let their emotions get out of hand all the time, and bad things can happen. It doesn't mean Bertuzzi's a scumbag. How many dirty cheapshots did he have before then?

I mean, by the logic being used, Sterling Marlin, the NASCAR driver, is responsible for the death of one of the greatest NASCAR heroes ever in Dale Earnhardt Sr.

Sterling Marlin bumped Earnhardt from behind, causing him to spin and veer up into the wall at 150 MPH.

So the NASCAR community banned Marlin, and everyone villified him, and called him a murdering douchebag, right?

Nope. He's still racing (last time I checked anyway) and noone ever mentions that he's the one that started the chain reaction that killed a legend.

I think the same should apply here. Bertuzzi did what he did, and has been punished. It was a freak accident with bad consequences, and he has to live with the knowledge of what he did for the rest of his life. Just let it go already.

Amen! Everyone acts as though Bertuzzi was thinking, "I'm going to break Moore's neck, ruin his career and my name forever." The sucker punch was stupid and cowardly, to say the least. As I alluded to on another forum, Fedorov basically did the same thing to a Sharks player in the '94 playoffs, jumping on his back and crosschecking him in the back of the neck. He received a mild suspension to start the next season, and that was that. That play could have easily ended with the same result as the Bertuzzi incident, so why didn't everyone vilify Sergei as a cheapshot artist?

The media has nothing to talk about as we are in a bit of a dead period in the NHL -- the trade deadlinehas past and we are still weeks away from the crunch time at the end of year. The fact that this is the anniversary of the incident and Moore is still keeping giving interviews to keep the civil heat on Bert only adds to the situation. I can bet you if Bert and Moore settled the lawsuit already, Morre wouldn't be granting interviews. Look at the Damien Cox story -- Moore gave the interview from his attorney's office, what does that say about his motivations?