bringback91 2 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 (edited) man i totally agree with you we need the cheering for our team bad..very bad...but we also need the boos for the other team when they score...and not saying im glad he just scored on us...that felt great...and i didn't say singling out someone and booing him the whole game was what we should do..that woudl be "highschool" as you call it. and to have a team coming into the joe knowing they will catch boos...and chants and everything else..along with the loud cheers for our own team..you don't think that would help us out? and i think any fan that posts here including yourself..if you were sitting next to a fan that was booing at YOU everytime you took a bite or drink of food would make it to the end of the game without getting a punch to the face...if you wouldn't then you have more control then most real hockey fans. my props go to you. To each his own, but the booing of a goal by the other team isn't the issue. Sure if you feel the need boo the goal, the refs, whatever, but the constant booing of one player, let alone a former great is dumb. I think the Wings would feed off of the cheers for sure, probably out of pure shock. But no, boo's and Nashville like chants wouldn't do jack, except come back to bite you in the ass, as witnessed last night. Did the booing make Fedorov score, no, but it made the fans doing it look pretty dumb IMO. I wouldn't call it self control as much as policeing. It's easy to say what you'd do over a computer, but do that in real life, and well I'm sure you seen what happened to that guy from the palace. Been detained before, not an experience I'd like to repeat. that being said, the booing comment I made was in responce to this quote from drwscc: "If you bought your ticket, and go to the game, you have the right to boo whatever you want" and I'd like to boo the booer's. Federov was always overpaid,almost left once for more money, and did not appreciate what the Illitches did for his life. I hope he burns in hell. Tell us how you really feel. Edited March 23, 2007 by bringback91 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 The fans in Pittsburgh boo Jagr. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bringback91 2 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 The fans in Pittsburgh boo Jagr. Pretty dumb IMO. Insturmental to those years they actually had something to celebrate. Although I'm extremley impressed with that team this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRum #1 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 When you've got guys posting in here 17-20 years old who were 8, 9, and 10 when Sergei was at times this teams best and most important player, you get the kind of ridiculousness that's been in this thread. They dont understand how important he was to this organization. They dont realize that Fedorov was just an important as Stevie or Nick for 10+ years here. Without Fedorov we dont win a Cup, simple as that. Booing Sergei in 2007 makes you look like an idiot. Period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 (edited) When you've got guys posting in here 17-20 years old who were 8, 9, and 10 when Sergei was at times this teams best and most important player, you get the kind of ridiculousness that's been in this thread. They dont understand how important he was to this organization. They dont realize that Fedorov was just an important as Stevie or Nick for 10+ years here. Without Fedorov we dont win a Cup, simple as that. Booing Sergei in 2007 makes you look like an idiot. Period. OMG...yes he was ONE of our best players back then..but to go that far as to say if he wasn't here we wouldn't have won a cup in my opinion is a little over board but thats just my opinion. btw im 30 Edited March 23, 2007 by Lint123 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 Pretty dumb IMO. Insturmental to those years they actually had something to celebrate. Although I'm extremley impressed with that team this season. The regular "fan" usually is dumb and short-sighted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 OMG...yes he was ONE of our best players back then..but to go that far as to say if he wasn't here we wouldn't have won a cup in my opinion is a little over board but thats just my opinion. btw im 30 I know this means nothing, but you can add me to a list that think the Wings cup drought would be 50+ years now if Fedorov never played for the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viperar 16 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 The fans in Pittsburgh boo Jagr. so do the fans here in washington Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aflac9262 211 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 I'm sure most of the people who boo don't deny his talent or accomplishments. People boo because they don't like the way he went out. He was one of our most important players, and as a fan - it left you angry after he decided to leave the way he did. I mean come on, he declines to stay with the Wings and then goes to the team that just knocked us out of the playoffs. How can that not make you angry? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GuloGulo 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 I'm sure most of the people who boo don't deny his talent or accomplishments. People boo because they don't like the way he went out. He was one of our most important players, and as a fan - it left you angry after he decided to leave the way he did. I mean come on, he declines to stay with the Wings and then goes to the team that just knocked us out of the playoffs. How can that not make you angry? Bingo. Dunno how many times this topic comes up, but people don't wanna get it. It IS because he was a significant player he's gettin booed still. He was franchise calibre and left the team that made him a household name for Disneyland. He brought it on himself. Shouldn't have left. That's all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 I'm sure most of the people who boo don't deny his talent or accomplishments. People boo because they don't like the way he went out. He was one of our most important players, and as a fan - it left you angry after he decided to leave the way he did. I mean come on, he declines to stay with the Wings and then goes to the team that just knocked us out of the playoffs. How can that not make you angry? Bingo. Dunno how many times this topic comes up, but people don't wanna get it. It IS because he was a significant player he's gettin booed still. He was franchise calibre and left the team that made him a household name for Disneyland. He brought it on himself. Shouldn't have left. That's all. agree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sibiriak 84 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 I'm sure most of the people who boo don't deny his talent or accomplishments. People boo because they don't like the way he went out. He was one of our most important players, and as a fan - it left you angry after he decided to leave the way he did. I mean come on, he declines to stay with the Wings and then goes to the team that just knocked us out of the playoffs. How can that not make you angry? Ok, if the fans at the Joe are angry about losing to Anaheim that year, why don't they boo the players on that team? Giguere, who, some say, singlehanded;ly knocked the Wings out? The point is, Fedorov is the ONLY guy in NHL singled out for this treatment. Does he deserve it more than any other player in the league? If not, then either stop booing Fedorov, or start booing other players, who "wronged" the Wings more over the years. Forsberg, Pronger, Kiprusoff, Giguere, Sakic and many others. Or the guys who left by their own choice like Lapointe or Shanahan. Otherwise it just looks malicious and rather infantile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 I was suprised to see the Columbus players speek out like that, but they are right. Because there was a few jackasses at that game last night that would let it go, it makes the Wings look bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 I was suprised to see the Columbus players speek out like that, but they are right. Because there was a few jackasses at that game last night that would let it go, it makes the Wings look bad. yeah we look bad now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GuloGulo 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 Ok, if the fans at the Joe are angry about losing to Anaheim that year, why don't they boo the players on that team? Giguere, who, some say, singlehanded;ly knocked the Wings out? The point is, Fedorov is the ONLY guy in NHL singled out for this treatment. Does he deserve it more than any other player in the league? If not, then either stop booing Fedorov, or start booing other players, who "wronged" the Wings more over the years. Forsberg, Pronger, Kiprusoff, Giguere, Sakic and many others. Or the guys who left by their own choice like Lapointe or Shanahan. Otherwise it just looks malicious and rather infantile. No Fedorov is not alone. Comrie, Jagr x2, Pronger, etc How many players jumping ship have had a comparable career to Fedorov's? How many guys were established franchise players (albeit 2nd fiddle). How many were not traded or demanded a trade. How many left well before they were washed up? Consider all the factors. It ain't that puzzling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
high_stick69 7 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 I say boo Feds all you want, and then boo him some more. Comparing him to Shanahan is not a fair comparison. Federov was like a son to the Wings fans. Then he pulled all the BS with signing an offer sheet with Carolina and then leaving to Anaheim. Yes, he did good things for the team and definitely was a huge part of winning the cups, but he never returned any of the love he used to get from the fans, and skated out of town when he had his chance. The Wings fans remember very well how their unappreciative son Sergei left town and they're still pissed off that they weren't good enough for him. He probably wants to feel that love from the Wings fans again, because its the only time in his career that he has felt it was when he was in Detroit, but he is a trader, and for that he will always be booed IMO, and deservedly so. Feds was one of my favorite Wings, and is a great player, but I'm not going to pretend it didn't hurt when he left. I'm not going to give him the satisfaction of thinking he can leave that way and it doesn't matter. Until he wears the winged wheel again, he will not be cheered. The only chance he'll get is if they retire his jersey. Think it will happen? If it does, it will be like a son returning home and all will be forgiven. Until then, he's a trader. Say what you want about booing being classless (what a joke), but the fans are going treat him the same way he treated them.....with no respect. His selfishness and lack of loyalty is the issue. Shanahan can not be questioned for his loyalty and heart for the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aflac9262 211 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 Ok, if the fans at the Joe are angry about losing to Anaheim that year, why don't they boo the players on that team? Giguere, who, some say, singlehanded;ly knocked the Wings out? The point is, Fedorov is the ONLY guy in NHL singled out for this treatment. Does he deserve it more than any other player in the league? If not, then either stop booing Fedorov, or start booing other players, who "wronged" the Wings more over the years. Forsberg, Pronger, Kiprusoff, Giguere, Sakic and many others. Or the guys who left by their own choice like Lapointe or Shanahan. Otherwise it just looks malicious and rather infantile. It's one thing for them to beat us, but another to betray your own team to become a member of the team that just eliminated you. That's the moral of the story. Shanny left because he felt he was slowing down the future of the Red Wings. That's not betrayal - that's unique courtesy from a loyal player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GuloGulo 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 And Fedorov was around LONG before Shanahan joined the team... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DreamsofHope 2 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 Did anyone catch the guy who claimed Feds had poor treatment the minute he was traded.... I don't remember him getting traded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 Without Fedorov we dont win a Cup, simple as that. Booing Sergei in 2007 makes you look like an idiot. Period. You could even go so far as saying we have yet to win a cup without Sergei. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted March 23, 2007 From Mlive: "Friday, March 23, 2007 Jax take Fedorov booing personally The Blue Jackets don't find any humour in the fact that so many fans still boo Sergei Fedorov: March 23, Columbus Dispatch: "They're all over him here," Rick Nash said. "This is kind of like sticking it right back at them." It was a Russian novel of a game with a wicked ending. The Blue Jackets played exquisitely for two periods, gave up a goal midway through the third period, scored with 2 minutes, 42 seconds remaining in regulation and hung on for their lives to get to the shootout. ... "It's bull the way they treat him here," Vyborny said. "They call this Hockeytown. I don't think so. That was a nice, happy ending for him." Fedorov's smile said everything. He looked like he'd just won the Norris Trophy. But he wouldn't talk about the gratification he must have felt other than to say, "My heart ached." It's too bad that a few thousand morons give Hockeytown a bad reputation." Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. I just lost ALL respect for Vyborny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted March 24, 2007 (edited) so just to comment about one of your points....if we didn;'t have feds we wouldn't have won any cups??? is that what im reading?? wow if you think that then you are putting way to much into feds..i mean come on..look at our line for those cup wins...i seen alot more talent then just feds on those lines. And explain why we don't have a cup since he left? Seems to me to be a bigger part than you are making it out to be. On a side note I am glad to see us justifing our booing by comparing ourselves to Chicago fans booing Chelios.... Chicago fans ROCK! Why the hell do I get evil looks when I boo Williams, Legace, Shanahan, Lapointe and various other "former" players yet I get smiles if I boo Sergei? Edited March 24, 2007 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sibiriak 84 Report post Posted March 24, 2007 No Fedorov is not alone. Comrie, Jagr x2, Pronger, etc How many players jumping ship have had a comparable career to Fedorov's? How many guys were established franchise players (albeit 2nd fiddle). How many were not traded or demanded a trade. How many left well before they were washed up? Consider all the factors. It ain't that puzzling. Neither Pronger, nor Jagr, nor Comnrie, are being booed in Detroit. That is what I meant. Of the 900 NHL players, only Fedorov gets this treatment in Detroit. Does his "injury" to this team rank worst among other players? Even Claude Lemieux, who wasn't booed as hard or as long? And to answer your questions, a lot of players did some or all of what you list. Fedorov is by no means unique in that respect. Off the top of my head, Pronger, Comrie, Roy, Chelios, Hall, Shanahan (from Blues), Hall Sr., Hasek, Smyth, Weight, Tkachuk, Sakic etc, etc, etc. did something comparable. So quit acting like Fedorov did something unspeakable or even unusual. When a free agent signs with another team, that is their excersizing their labort rights. That is all. I don't have the stats, but I'd bet that more UFAs sign with a different team, then stay with their old one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Offsides 21 Report post Posted March 24, 2007 I feel so enlightened after reading all of this. I always thought that 'real' Red Wing fans would be above this. But why did I think this? No one was above making Fedorov the scapegoat when he was on the team. Why would everyone decide to like him now. Do you want to know why Fedorov is really booed? Because people CAN now. They wanted to when he was on the team and now they can. It's simply mean spiritedness. I don't really buy that people are still 'hurt' and they are getting out their feelings about Sergei. Maybe a very few people, but most people who actually liked him as a player still like him as a player. For everyone who thinks that you can't root for anyone on other team other than the Red Wings and be a Red Wing fan...bite me. I wish I had such a myopic view of life that I could make such black and white decisions like this. Or that I wish that Yzerman or Lidstrom was my favorite player, because, guess what, if Fedorov's number was #5 or #19 he'd have been treated a lot better here. But everyone was looking for him to have some certain quality that they'd imagine Sergei Fedorov should have and so labeled him accordingly. And we see the same hatred again, shocking...not at all. Is Sergei disappointed that he's not a Red Wing now? I don't know. Probably, because I honestly think he loves the city and the fans. But maybe not. He's actually appreciated where he is now. People think that he regrets where he is now, but you don't know that. People think they *KNOW* why he left, but you don't know. Most of you maybe don't know what it's like to lose your favorite player to another team, but I've lost both of mine, and it's amazing to see how much BETTER they are treated in different cities. Does that make being a Red Wing fans better? Because we are mean, and hateful, and unforgiving? I guess if that's what being a Red Wing fan is about...I don't really want to be that kind. It's just a label...it's stupid. We could put a million qualifiers on what a 'true' fan is. But honestly, I really love the team. I love the players...I want them to win. And when one leaves our ranks...I can't just turn that off. Team first, but a team is made up of people, and to be able to hate them and spit on their accomplishments the moment they change colors is not in the cards for me...like it is for so many others. And even if Fedorov left under the WORST conditions, why boo him? If he is so despicable why bring yourself to that level? Your boos mean nothing because in doing so you bring yourself to a level more classless than what Fedorov did when he left. Setting yourselves up as juries filled with petulant children throwing a temper tantrum. I know that many of you don't boo him, but why defend those who do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted March 24, 2007 Something Offsides and OsGod forgot to mention : Im sure all of you would be happy as hell if we could get rid of Lang and bring in Fedorov. Would you still boo him then ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
