Here comes the bluster..

[Guest GodofHockeyStevieY19]

Doesn't the fact that the Wings just moved on (according to your scenario) make you smile enough? It does for me.

To be honest, yeah it does make me smile. But my smile is going ear to ear when we beat the Sharks in 6. Plus beating Calgary just isnt that big a deal compared to the Sharks. But yeah, getting passed the first round is a great feeling.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

Oh I know..I am sticking up for them too which is why I got so mad about the comments.

I just don't want our fans getting ahead of ourselves either ya know?

s*** ! I said I was fiished in this thread, I guess I Iied.

Edited April 25, 2007 by glasgowcelticwing

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

There's a reason nearly all the experts are picking the Sharks. They AVERAGE 6'2 215 across the front line. They are fast, physical and completely manhandled the Wings during the regular season.

So show me the trophy you won by beating anyone in the regular season? I'll wait.....

Bertuzzi was a nice addition, but that's not gonna help the Wings any more than picking up Forsberg helped the Preds. The Wings are still too soft. It's not about the size and toughness of your forwards, it's about the size and toughness of your Dmen.

Let's ask Calgary how well it worked out.....

When guys like Thornton, Michalek, Cheechoo, Guerin, Marleau, Grier, Clowe, Bernier Brown and Goc get down low with the puck, the Wings have proven themselves incapable of competing physically. This leads to goals or penalties. And the penalties lead to goals

There seem to be a misconception about the Sharks D. They allowed the 3rd fewest goals. And with the addition of Rivet, the Sharks have a fantastic mix of experience (Rivet, MacLaren, Hannan) and youth/skill (Vlasic, Ehrhoff, Carle)

There seem to be a misconception about the Wings D. They allowed the 3rd fewest goals. And with the addition of Lebda, the Wings have a fantasitc mix of experience (Cheli, Schneids, Lidstrom) and youth/skill (Lebda/Quincy/Lillja).

I think the goaltending is about equal. Hasek is good but this is not 2001. Nabokov has finally fully recovered from his injury last year and is playing like his old self.

Next time you think, don't.

Sharks in 5....

wings in 6

[Echolalia 2,961]

Guerin has every right in the world to say what he wants to say. He does have playoff experience, and he has played against the wings plenty of times. In addition to that, its smak-talk and hes trying to get into the wings' heads. God knows he got into every one of your heads.

And concerning all of you who are arguing about what team is better, and whose team's dad can beat the other team's dad up, heres something to mull over:

The regular season is completely independent of the post season. The past three years the top seeded wings lost to an 8th seed, which eventually ended up going on to the Stanley cup finals. Each team has suffered surprising upsets, as well as caused them. Top players on both teams who have been spectacular for previous seasons have been totally lacking in any sort of production department in the post season. Anyone who doesn't agree that you can't look at regular season stats to determine how a playoff series will come out needs to pay more attention to hockey. Right now the series is tied 0-0, and both teams need 4 wins to make it to the next round, and those precious stats from the regular season aren't going to be there to help them.

However there are some facts that we can look at going into this series-

San Jose beat Nashville 4-1. Some can argue that Nashville sucks, or they weren't playing their A game, or they didn't have Sullivan and Erat or whoever the hell else was out. None of that changes the outcome. San Jose won, and they're here versing the wings.

Consequently, the Wings beat the Flames 4-2, and people can argue just as easily that the Flames are a bad team, they aren't physical, theres no offense, whatever you want to say to make you sleep better at night. The bottom line is the Wings won and they're versing the Sharks.

Now, the Sharks are bigger and they are faster and they have been rolling on 4 lines. But the Wings have more playoff experience, veteran-"smartness" (for lack of a better word), good positioning, and they, too, are rolling on 4 lines. Unfortunately, none of that is a guaranteed victory, even when both teams are playing their A games.

Case in point: Wings vs Fliers of 97: The Fliers were bigger, taller, faster, all that good stuff and they had a good goalie. The Wings swept them silly.

Sharks vs Wings of 94 (that year may be wrong, by the way). The Wings 'dynasty' was almost in full bloom and we were favorited to win the cup for a good chunk of the early 90's years. But the Sharks took the Wings to 7 games and killed us.

So don't get all high and mighty looking at statistics before the series even begins. Statistics can't shoot a puck, and statistics can't lay the body, and with 5 seconds to go, empty net, down 2-1, statistics aren't going to be there to win that key faceoff, and rip that rocket from the point.

Edited April 25, 2007 by Echolalia

[Hopper15 0]

The Sharks think they are hot stuff because they beat us 9-4 in the regular season. Well... this is playoff hockey... Right now with the Wings finally past the cursed first round and having the Wings play really good at home that this will be a Wings win in 5 games. San Jose can't beat us, we are too good right now, and they aren't that good... sure they beat Nashville, but finishing them in 5 doesn't mean s*** when you play the best team in the West.BTW, if we beat Calgary at home, we can easily beat SJ at home.

Time to ready those harpoons, its shark hunting time.

Your in for a Surprise, the Sharks are going to smoke the Wings in this series. You guys beat a bad Calgary team and you think your going to knock out the SC favorites San Jose.

I think you better wake up if you think your success agianst Calgary will translate into Domination vs the Sharks.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

Guerin has every right in the world to say what he wants to say. He does have playoff experience, and he has played against the wings plenty of times. In addition to that, its smak-talk and hes trying to get into the wings' heads. God knows he got into every one of your heads.

And concerning all of you who are arguing about what team is better, and whose team's dad can beat the other team's dad up, heres something to mull over:

The regular season is completely independent of the post season. The past three years the top seeded wings lost to an 8th seed, which eventually ended up going on to the Stanley cup finals. Each team has suffered surprising upsets, as well as caused them. Top players on both teams who have been spectacular for previous seasons have been totally lacking in any sort of production department in the post season. Anyone who doesn't agree that you can't look at regular season stats to determine how a playoff series will come out needs to pay more attention to hockey. Right now the series is tied 0-0, and both teams need 4 wins to make it to the next round, and those precious stats from the regular season aren't going to be there to help them.

However there are some facts that we can look at going into this series-

San Jose beat Nashville 4-1. Some can argue that Nashville sucks, or they weren't playing their A game, or they didn't have Sullivan and Erat or whoever the hell else was out. None of that changes the outcome. San Jose won, and they're here versing the wings.

Consequently, the Wings beat the Flames 4-2, and people can argue just as easily that the Flames are a bad team, they aren't physical, theres no offense, whatever you want to say to make you sleep better at night. The bottom line is the Wings won and they're versing the Sharks.

Now, the Sharks are bigger and they are faster and they have been rolling on 4 lines. But the Wings have more playoff experience, veteran-"smartness" (for lack of a better word), good positioning, and they, too, are rolling on 4 lines. Unfortunately, none of that is a guaranteed victory, even when both teams are playing their A games.

Case in point: Wings vs Fliers of 97: The Fliers were bigger, taller, faster, all that good stuff and they had a good goalie. The Wings swept them silly.

Sharks vs Wings of 94 (that year may be wrong, by the way). The Wings 'dynasty' was almost in full bloom and we were favorited to win the cup for a good chunk of the early 90's years. But the Sharks swept us.

So don't get all high and mighty looking at statistics before the series even begins. Statistics can't shoot a puck, and statistics can't lay the body, and with 5 seconds to go, empty net, down 2-1, statistics aren't going to be there to win that key faceoff, and rip that rocket from the point.

I agree with just about everything here. Actually the only thing I disagree with is in 94, I'm pretty sure it went 7 games against the Sharks...

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

I'm not talking about the descent Shark fans on hear, but would the Troll's please go bye bye.

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

Your in for a Surprise, the Sharks are going to smoke the Wings in this series. You guys beat a bad Calgary team and you think your going to knock out the SC favorites San Jose.

I think you better wake up if you think your success agianst Calgary will translate into Domination vs the Sharks.

The sharks are the SC favorites?

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

Your in for a Surprise, the Sharks are going to smoke the Wings in this series. You guys beat a bad Calgary team and you think your going to knock out the SC favorites San Jose.

I think you better wake up if you think your success agianst Calgary will translate into Domination vs the Sharks.

Didn't just about everyone ('experts') pick Buffalo?

[Echolalia 2,961]

I agree with just about everything here. Actually the only thing I disagree with is in 94, I'm pretty sure it went 7 games against the Sharks...

Yeah sorry 7 games. I think the year after was actually the sweep, but the other way around.

But the point is still valid

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

Didn't just about everyone ('experts') pick Buffalo?

Or Anaheim....

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Guerin has every right in the world to say what he wants to say. He does have playoff experience, and he has played against the wings plenty of times. In addition to that, its smak-talk and hes trying to get into the wings' heads. God knows he got into every one of your heads.

I could care less if it gets in the Wings' fans heads. All I care about is the Wings using things like this (whether they're meant maliciously or not) to add fuel to the fire.

That's my whole point.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

I could care less if it gets in the Wings' fans heads. All I care about is the Wings using things like this (whether they're meant maliciously or not) to add fuel to the fire.

That's my whole point.

Good post NFM , Here's hoping the players use thing's like this.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Samadelphia and other cocky sharsk fans.

Flames fans werent bad.

You guys say the flames are a bad team ? Did you watch this season ? they were good , I mean going by what sharks fans htink , Regular season is everything.

SJ was never a cup contender , Everyone took Buffalo , and rightly so , there a great team.

Edited April 25, 2007 by Detroit # 1 Fan

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

Yeah sorry 7 games. I think the year after was actually the sweep, but the other way around.

But the point is still valid

In the finals, yeah....but other than that, I can't find the last time Detroit was swept.

[superstarsingh 23]

In the finals, yeah....but other than that, I can't find the last time Detroit was swept.

Umm, Anaheim.

Samadelphia swears on his life that the Wings will lose in 5. That means we are going to lose multiple, maybe even three times at home. Is that some sort of joke? We lost 4 times in regulation and 8 in ot/so at home this season....in 41 games. No way do we drop 2 or 3 out of a possible 4 at the Joe. Oh and since he disregards the regular season, we're 3-0 at home with a 12-3 goal differential at home so far in the playoffs. Good luck with winning once let alone multiple times in Detroit.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Some of you guys are getting too caught up in Geurin's comments. I'll try to provide an outsiders perspective. It is boarderline smack talk, but I wouldn't consider it even in the same league as Huselius's comments about Hasek. Reporters are going to ask both teams what they think of their opponents, and when they talk about a strategy (which this) toward beating their opponents, doesn't mean it's smack talk. It does sound a little confident but that should be expect not confused with taking the Wings lightly.

I also don't think Geurin and the Sharks are underestimating the Wings either. Basically what the coach and Bill were saying is that their experience against some of the more veteran players will help them. You can't deny that it wont', and I know no one is. But this is just a strategy for the the Sharks, they are allowed to have one. Bill is going to use his knowledge of how your players play the game to his advantage, and I think he understands that he is not playing well, but he can still pass his knowledge of your stars to other players on his team. No doubt players on Detroit will be doing the same thing. Look at Chelios, I bet he's a fountain of knowledge when it comes to a bunch of San Jose's lineup.

A lot of you are saying that the Sharks and their fans are being over confident. After reading this thread you might want to look in the mirror because a lot of you are not giving the Sharks any credit and are expecting a butt kicking. Both of your teams are very good and it will be a close series. Still, a bunch of you quite disgusted that a team would get so overconfident (which I don't think the Sharks are anyways) which ironic because a lot of you are doing the same thing toward your team. Just what I observed from this thread.

Try and take it easy on the Shark fans in this thread, they are not trolling. They just offering up the other side of the argument, and of course it isn't going to be the same opinion as yours. What kind of message board would it be if every agreed with each other?

Stick around Burninator! I forgive you for being a Flamer... We need more rational minds around here.

[superstarsingh 23]

Or Anaheim....

Darren Dreger picked Detroit for the cup.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Good fricken grief my I.Q. plummeted to the teens I think reading some of this thread. Talk about a thread getting off track.

Guys and gals, we've all got our opinions, all right? If an opposing team's fan(s) (and they are certainly welcome of course) are truly ingrained in their viewpoints, are going to be pretty stubborn about posting about them towards other members, don't waste your damn time trying to debate with them after one or two tries with different stats or scenarios or crap like that. Don't feed them any unnecessary material. Hell, don't respond to them at all.

Opposing team fan(s) that are new, I didn't see much in the way of personal attacks or anything from either side, but at the very least have the awareness to know if you are going to be stubborn and post like you or your team is a big badass and cannot be beaten, realize that you're going to get some heated responses.

These are two very solid teams that are fairly evenly matched, and it's impossbile to figure out who will win the series with any confidence because of this. It could go either way. Now please, let's all throw the damn regular season stats and scenarios out the window. These teams haven't met since well before the trade deadline. These are two different teams after the trade deadline.

Quit the retarded bickering and retarded statistical debates. It's not going to change a fricken thing before the game starts, so let's all just sit down, put a sock in it, and wait for the game tomorrow night.

Edited April 26, 2007 by SouthernWingsFan

[redwings4life 3]

Opposing team fan(s) that are new, I didn't see much in the way of personal attacks or anything from either side, but at the very least have the awareness to know if you are going to be stubborn and post like you or your team is a big badass and cannot be beaten, realize that you're going to get some heated responses.

Amen to that

[YoungGuns1340 1]

If Guerin knows what the Wings do....then why cant Manny Legace stop every Wings shot? How come J Williams cant score on every passing play? How come Fedorov isnt racking up the points against the Wings over an 8 game span? Give me a break. There are guys that know the Wings inside and out better than Guerin does and it hasnt gotten them jack s***.

[Samadelphia 0]

Didn't just about everyone ('experts') pick Buffalo?

Yeah, 'experts' picking the president's trophy winner. What a shock...

[Jiggy_12 0]

Me too!

Jiggy, and even CrispyFlames..where are you guys?!

I'm still kickin' around...just have less to say now!

[BlakChamber 8]

Umm, Anaheim.

Samadelphia swears on his life that the Wings will lose in 5. That means we are going to lose multiple, maybe even three times at home. Is that some sort of joke? We lost 4 times in regulation and 8 in ot/so at home this season....in 41 games. No way do we drop 2 or 3 out of a possible 4 at the Joe. Oh and since he disregards the regular season, we're 3-0 at home with a 12-3 goal differential at home so far in the playoffs. Good luck with winning once let alone multiple times in Detroit.

I'd say the Sharks didn't have too much trouble winning once at the joe.

Good thing you're not overconfident like some of those pesky Shark fans.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

I'd say the Sharks didn't have too much trouble winning once at the joe.

Good thing you're not overconfident like some of those pesky Shark fans.

They have a reason to be confident now. They brought their 'B' game and dominated the Wings. My "Wings in 6" prediction doesn't seem so wise now.