BigTex 1 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 (edited) this fxing sucks!!!!!! What a bullshzt rule. Let's trade the rights to Lang, maybe we can get a 6th rounder out of it. Edited June 18, 2007 by BigTex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tazzer82 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Good riddance as far as I'm concerned. I can't see that cheapshot artist to the other conference fast enough. Wonder how long it'll be until he decides to lay out Crosby, Malkin or Ovechkin with a cheap shot. They overpaid for both of them, and it won't do a whole lot to help them make the playoffs, but better them than the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted June 18, 2007 (edited) LOL @ the Flyers for signing Hartnell to a cap hit of 4.2 a year. 4.2 million to a cheapshotting scumbag that will score maybe twenty goals a season? This is excellent news for the Wings. Now we can finally shut up the people here that wanted Hartnell. No, he is not what we need, and no, we would not love to have him on our team. EDIT: Nice, they overpaid Timmonen too. And people wonder why Philly hasn't won a championship in decades... Edited June 18, 2007 by Agalloch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted June 18, 2007 (edited) we're not dead next year. we've still got two lethal top lines. Dumont - Arnott - Radulov Sullivan - Legwand - Erat still can fill in our fourth line and some third line with Abid, Fiddler, Tootoo, Smithson, Hordichuk and Nichol (some of them will be back). And then we need 1-2 third line free agents to fill in. Not bad. We also signed over a couple of promising euro players. Setzinger probably has a good shot at making the team. Plus Peverly and Leahy who filled in some last season. On defense. we still have... Weber - Suter Hamhuis - Zidlicky As for the names you mentioned like Euro prospects, Peverly, and some of those guys on defense, dude there aren't any Kimmo Timmonen's in that group. And if this is the same Henry I saw in MN (giant pylon that doesn't even fight very well) then you've got problems if those guys are going to step up. If Shea Weber and Ryan Suter are your #1 pairing then not only is the plot picked out, the shoveling has begun. Those guys are way too young to anchor the defense without a strong, good, veteran presence. Couple that with Hamhuis and Zids who are also good but still young and this looks like an average blueline to me. You better hope Vokoun and Mason have career seasons b/c I guarantee that unless you pick up a monster veteran blueliner to be your top pairing leader then your goalies are going to face career highs in shots on goal and with that, the likelyhood of many more goals against. Zanon will probably be re-signed. We've got Nolan Yonkman and Alex Henry who are NHL ready in milawaukee or we could bring up younger guys like Kevin Klein or Cody Franson. and of course. Vokoun and Mason in net. all of that without signing a single free agent other than our own 4th line guys. Dude, I can appreciate you looking at this glass half full. But c'mon, this is a ridiculously huge deal. You just lost Hartnell who is probably the best young, gritty forward you have. Yes you have some snipers and Radulov will be good but as far as a winger who can hit (although often illegally) and pot over 20 goals/year, he was your guy. AND you lose your most experienced blueliner? Wasn't he your team captain? You lost a top 6 forward and a top 2 defenseman. You aren't "dead" but you've already picked out a plot that's for sure. You keep hoping that Nichol and Tootoo are going to pick up the slack but I doubt it. We can't prove it one way or the other today but I dont' see those guys replacing the offense you just lost and the leadership you just lost. 2 of the biggest names on your roster and poof...................they're gone. Not a good sign for Nashville. None of the forwards or young d you mentioned are going to help you like Hartnell and Timonnen did. Henry? The giant walking pylon from MN who can't fight despite being a giant? Is this the same guy? If these guys are NHL ready then the Preds are in trouble. If Hamhuis, Suter and Weber are going to be the veteran presence and anchor this blueline, the Preds are in trouble. Better hope for career years out of vokoun and mason b/c its gonna be a serious departure from what you saw last year. Edited June 18, 2007 by GordieSid&Ted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 18, 2007 we're not dead next year. we've still got two lethal top lines. Dumont - Arnott - Radulov Sullivan - Legwand - Erat First off, those are not lethal lines. Very good lines, but not lethal. But even if they were, that means nothing in the NHL, do you know how many teams that didnt make the playoffs have 2 "lethal lines"? Many low-teered NHL squads have 2 great lines, and look where that got them. In the NHL, especially this new NHL, you need a hell of alot more than 2 good lines. Nashville will make the playoffs next season, but they certainly will not generate near the amount of offense, and they wont be a high seed. They will be a pretty solid squad, but if you actually think they will be as good as last season, you may be very delusional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 LOL @ the Flyers for signing Hartnell to a cap hit of 4.2 a year. 4.2 million to a cheapshotting scumbag that will score maybe twenty goals a season? This is excellent news for the Wings. Now we can finally shut up the people here that wanted Hartnell. No, he is not what we need, and no, we would not love to have him on our team. EDIT: Nice, they overpaid Timmonen too. And people wonder why Philly hasn't won a championship in decades... I totally agree with you on that , I was never wanting a cheapshot artist playing for the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 (edited) YES!!!!!! That scumbag is far away from the Wings now! No more seeing him 8 times a season. This is freaking great new. Flyers of all teams getting Hartnell is pretty funny, because CLEARLY the Flyers need to get more goons eh? *shakes head* As for Timmonen, big loss for the Preds. Edited June 18, 2007 by HockeyCrazy3033 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Wow those are some pricey contracts. I wonder if Philly will be regretting that $6.3 million/year cap hit when Timonen is the ripe age of 38 years old. Not everybody ages like Cheli. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Philly overpaid once again. and that's a pleasure to see them once again headed into deception. as for Preds... sure, they look thinner now. but have some space under the cap and are able to roll their youth. they might be less competitive following season (though, I'd not bet my money on this), but 2008/09 they should be a young team with developed chemistry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Wow those are some pricey contracts. I wonder if Philly will be regretting that $6.3 million/year cap hit when Timonen is the ripe age of 38 years old. Not everybody ages like Cheli. They should be regretting it right now. Kimmo Timmonen in his current state is NOT worth 6.3 million. Hartnell is overpriced by at least 1.2 million as well. lol philly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 This also makes me wonder how inflated salaries will be come July 1. I get the feeling there may be plenty more overpayment come July 1. Makes me wonder if we can afford Bert and Schneider..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 18, 2007 I totally agree with you on that , I was never wanting a cheapshot artist playing for the Wings. Exactly. Skill-wise he wouldnt have been a bad signing. But this guy is an absolute disgrace when it comes to sportsmanship. That sort of player is not worthy to don the winged wheel. Especially for a insane 4.2 mill per year deal. Thank you hockey Gods! Get him away from Detroit! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Exactly. Skill-wise he wouldnt have been a bad signing. But this guy is an absolute disgrace when it comes to sportsmanship. That sort of player is not worthy to don the winged wheel. Especially for a insane 4.2 mill per year deal. Thank you hockey Gods! Get him away from Detroit! I disagree with part of your post. I think it would've been a terrible signing skill-wise as well. Unless you like 22 goals and 39 points on an offensive minded team. I truly don't know why he's beloved so much on these boards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 WOAH. I got so excited I didn't even look at the terms of the deal. 4.2 for SCOTT HARTNELL?! AHAHAHA. That is some great stuff right there. Pure comedy. And 6.3 for Timmonen. Yeah he's good..but not 6.3 million good. Geez. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legionnaire11 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 where is everyone getting the idea that I think the preds will be just as good as last season? I said "we're not dead yet". if anyone is overblowing it, it's the Wings fans who are saying that the preds are going to be significantly worse. look, we weren't going to sign either of these guys. We got back a first round pick for their rights. we still have a lot of good players on the roster. This is like the Wings losing Schneider and Holmstrom. Very, very, very good players and it would hurt the team, but they wouldn't drop to the bottom of the standings. I disagree with part of your post. I think it would've been a terrible signing skill-wise as well. Unless you like 22 goals and 39 points on an offensive minded team. 22 goals on a line with guys like Vern Fiddler, Jerred Smithson, Scott Nichol and Jordin Tootoo... yeah, he must SUCK!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Just a heads up you just compared Schnieder to Timonen and Hartnell to Holmstrom, the s*** storm is on its way towards you. Just a friendly heads up!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted June 18, 2007 where is everyone getting the idea that I think the preds will be just as good as last season? I said "we're not dead yet". if anyone is overblowing it, it's the Wings fans who are saying that the preds are going to be significantly worse. look, we weren't going to sign either of these guys. We got back a first round pick for their rights. we still have a lot of good players on the roster. This is like the Wings losing Schneider and Holmstrom. Very, very, very good players and it would hurt the team, but they wouldn't drop to the bottom of the standings. 22 goals on a line with guys like Vern Fiddler, Jerred Smithson, Scott Nichol and Jordin Tootoo... yeah, he must SUCK!! Good to see we agree, man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 1,049 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 $6.3m for Timonen? Jesus. Hopefully this doesn't put too many dollar signs floating around in Schneider's head... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 1,049 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Just a heads up you just compared Schnieder to Timonen and Hartnell to Holmstrom, the s*** storm is on its way towards you. Just a friendly heads up!! How so? It's not a stretch to compare those players, relatively speaking -- especially Schneider and Timonen. Schneider has been better than Timonen by a slim margin over the last couple of years, but Schneider is 5 years his senior... So how much is that $6.3m translated over to Schneider? He's been better than Timonen, but *is* five years older. Holmstrom is comparible because he's a hard-nosed player, can pot 30-goals, etc. Hartnell is the same, but not nearly as skilled in front of the net. But he makes up for it by playing physical and has the added bonus of being just 25 -- he hasn't yet reached his prime. He wasn't a premiere forward for the Predators and I think you could argue the same for Holmstrom, who is more situational (PP) and took full advantage of riding shotgun with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 $6.3m for Timonen? Jesus. Hopefully this doesn't put too many dollar signs floating around in Schneider's head... Hopefuly he'd rather keep having career years here in Detroit than taking more money to go rot somewhere like Philly. I wonder where Kariya's gonna be playing next year, because I have a feeling it won't be with the Preds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 How so? It's not a stretch to compare those players, relatively speaking -- especially Schneider and Timonen. Schneider has been better than Timonen by a slim margin over the last couple of years, but Schneider is 5 years his senior... So how much is that $6.3m translated over to Schneider? He's been better than Timonen, but *is* five years older. Holmstrom is comparible because he's a hard-nosed player, can pot 30-goals, and Hartnell is the same but not nearly as skilled in front of the net but is more physical and is just 25 and hasn't yet reached his prime. He wasn't a premiere forward for the Predators and I think you could argue the same for Holmstrom, who is more situational (PP) and takes full advantage of riding shotgun with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. I wasn't saying I was going to give him a hard time, just saying that it was coming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Could we rape the Preds for Legwand and bring the boy home! Any offers.........? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 18, 2007 $6.3m for Timonen? Jesus. Hopefully this doesn't put too many dollar signs floating around in Schneider's head... I thought the exact same thing. I hope Schneids is more for winning then getting a fat contract. I say 4 mill per year is just right for his new contract. But I know there will be some teams out there willing to give him alot more. But I think he wants to stay in this winning environment. I really think he will take less to stay in the winged wheel. Hopefully im right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 1,049 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Hopefuly he'd rather keep having career years here in Detroit than taking more money to go rot somewhere like Philly. That's what I'm figuring. I think he'll take a cliched "hometown discount" to remain here... But I don't see him getting anything less than $4.5m/season, either. I wasn't saying I was going to give him a hard time, just saying that it was coming. All I was saying was that his comparisons were just. I think that those posters that would blast him for his comments would just be ranting fanboys scoffing at comparing players to Detroit equivalents than actually looking at the point he was trying to make, that's all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legionnaire11 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 How so? It's not a stretch to compare those players, relatively speaking -- especially Schneider and Timonen. Schneider has been better than Timonen by a slim margin over the last couple of years, but Schneider is 5 years his senior... So how much is that $6.3m translated over to Schneider? He's been better than Timonen, but *is* five years older. Holmstrom is comparible because he's a hard-nosed player, can pot 30-goals, etc. Hartnell is the same, but not nearly as skilled in front of the net. But he makes up for it by playing physical and has the added bonus of being just 25 -- he hasn't yet reached his prime. He wasn't a premiere forward for the Predators and I think you could argue the same for Holmstrom, who is more situational (PP) and took full advantage of riding shotgun with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. that's where I was going with it. A skilled offensive defenseman, and a gritty goal scorer who plays in front of the net. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
