Guest Agalloch Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Just to show you how much Timmonen is being overpaid... Chris Pronger is making 6.25/year, 50k less than Timmonen. Scott Niedermayer is making 6.5/year, 200k more than Timmonen. He's being paid like the best defensemen in the league. Hartnell's contract is even worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 And I agree with you, a lot of people on here have blinders and think that all 4 lines and 3 pairings are the best in NHL history. I think the Homer/Hartnell comparison is a little off in the fact that yeah they both would score with Zetterberg and Datsyuk, but I would score on a line with those two (obviously an exaggeration), it is the in front of the net play and the type of physical play that seperates the two dramatically. No one has hands like Homer in front of the net, and Homer cannot bring the physical play like Hartnell. Schnieder and Timonen are a fair comparisson IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legionnaire11 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 No one has hands like Homer in front of the net LeClair used to. He's the only guy i've seen in the last 12 years that is better than Holmstrom in that role. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Just to show you how much Timmonen is being overpaid... Chris Pronger is making 6.25/year, 50k less than Timmonen. Scott Niedermayer is making 6.5/year, 200k more than Timmonen. He's being paid like the best defensemen in the league. Hartnell's contract is even worse. I was just thinking the same thing. What an overpay by the Flyers. They are out of their damn minds. Kimmo is good, but he's nowhere near one of the best in the league, and he most definitely is not worth that much cash. The most I'd pay him is around 3.5-4. At the MOST. He hasn't shown that he's worth 6.3. Not at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
motorcitykid 42 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 I'd lose quite a bit of respect for Holland if he signed Hartnell. If Hartnell had gone unnoticed by Detroit in the FA season, I imagine it would have been because of smarts, not cowardice, on the part of Holland. Hartnell is a cheap, unscrupulous player who would horridly disrupt the integrity of the team. The guy is great at running goalies and cheapshotting players smaller than he is; he also gets his ass kicked whenever he's forced to fight by somebody who can defend himself, such as Fischer and Shanahan. He is, in essence, Claude Lemieux the second. Do not allow homer goggles to blind you. As for WHY this trade happened: it's a fair bet that, with the tumultuous situation the Predators organization has found itself in, the higher-ups wouldn't or couldn't spring for the amount of money Timmonen and Hartnell would demand on the market. In return, they've acquired a high draft pick which they can sign for cheap. It's a lopsided trade, yes, but they got something for Hartnell and Timmonen instead of simply losing them on the FA market and getting nothing. This was a smart move by the Preds, considering their present straits. But talk about overpaying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 LeClair used to. He's the only guy i've seen in the last 12 years that is better than Holmstrom in that role. Ryan Smyth has a knack for the garbage goal, as well. As for the 6.3 to Timmonen, makes me feel a little better about the Bryan McCabe warchest.....Tomas Kaberle is an absolute steal at 4.25 now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jwo 7 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 YAY! That dirty scumbag Hartnell is gone from the west. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Balsillie you shameless bastard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 (edited) one factor that has not been mentioned so far: salary cap is supposed to rise. we discussed it with Datsyuk contract so most posters know the issue. in short: with long term deals it works both way: a players gets some relatively fat money now, early into the contract, but at the end of it it's team that gets the better of it, because the guys costs less in terms of salary cap percentage. in this light, Timmonen's contract doesn't look that bad. and Hartnell... guess Philly gambles that he'll develop to physicall guy and quality scorer. and frankly, with a team like Flyers he has a good chance for this am personally glad he's gone to the East, though Edited June 18, 2007 by akustyk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Sadly I agree. The Preds gave the Wings some competition in the central last season and I think it helped them get ready for the playoff's , hopefully it happen's again next season . but with trade's like this I doubt it. No. They talked about it alot but the wings were 6-1-1 against the Preds and the 1 loss was with Joey McDonald in goal. Competition? I think not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeta Power 40 1 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 I can't believe the Flyers. Yeah they are good players but you guys overpaid them like crazy. Thats insane! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earthhuman 8 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 I can't believe the Flyers. Yeah they are good players but you guys overpaid them like crazy. Thats insane! They had to. They only had the rights to the players, and 12 days to sign them. They are a bad team. A large contract was the only way to make that a good trade. Could we rape the Preds for Legwand and bring the boy home! Any offers.........? Interesting... he's a good replacement for Lang in terms of points, worth about 3 million (2006/07 Compensation: $1,650,000.00), has size (6'2"), is young (27)... thing is he has to learn to bring it in the playoffs, and I don't know whether he can play physically. Plus I don't know if his contract is up? Otherwise he looks like a good pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Nashville , lol. Everyone can say anything they want , Philly had near 23 million dollars in capspace , and with Hatcher and Rathje almost gone , they have lots of room. Of course they overpaid , but they had enough money that they could Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoHabs007 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Wow, and people thought Montreal overpaid for Markov. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 They had to. They only had the rights to the players, and 12 days to sign them. They are a bad team. A large contract was the only way to make that a good trade. Interesting... he's a good replacement for Lang in terms of points, worth about 3 million (2006/07 Compensation: $1,650,000.00), has size (6'2"), is young (27)... thing is he has to learn to bring it in the playoffs, and I don't know whether he can play physically. Plus I don't know if his contract is up? Otherwise he looks like a good pick. Nope. Preds signed him long term 2 years back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Nashville , lol. Everyone can say anything they want , Philly had near 23 million dollars in capspace , and with Hatcher and Rathje almost gone , they have lots of room. Of course they overpaid , but they had enough money that they could Nope. They could easily have gotten a good forward and a top defenseman for less money then they spent. I mean sure, they had the money to spend. But why waste it? Thats illogical and just stupid. Money could have been saved, while aquiring near the same talent. They didnt do that. And now they deserve the consequences. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 19, 2007 Dunno if I'd call it love, but it's the kind of tenacity (minus the cheap shots) that the Red Wings need. Better off in the east where the Wings won't see him. Still the irony is there since we had Bertuzzi in a Winged Wheel. Bertuzzi = one retaliatory cheapshot gone horribly wrong. Hartnell = constant cheapshots with injurious intent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earthhuman 8 Report post Posted June 19, 2007 Nashville , lol. Everyone can say anything they want , Philly had near 23 million dollars in capspace , and with Hatcher and Rathje almost gone , they have lots of room. Of course they overpaid , but they had enough money that they could Sure, but with Parent, Upshall, Coburn, Downie, and Giroux in the system, there will be big demands for money that Philly will not be able to meet. Hartnell and Timmonen will not be worth it then, Philly will lose at least half of those prospects, and they will be in the same boat, still with no cups to show for it. Bertuzzi = one retaliatory cheapshot gone horribly wrong. Hartnell = constant cheapshots with injurious intent. Not to mention, he feels horrible about it, is not that player anymore, and has gotten his in return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted June 19, 2007 where is everyone getting the idea that I think the preds will be just as good as last season? I said "we're not dead yet". if anyone is overblowing it, it's the Wings fans who are saying that the preds are going to be significantly worse. look, we weren't going to sign either of these guys. We got back a first round pick for their rights. we still have a lot of good players on the roster. This is like the Wings losing Schneider and Holmstrom. Very, very, very good players and it would hurt the team, but they wouldn't drop to the bottom of the standings. 22 goals on a line with guys like Vern Fiddler, Jerred Smithson, Scott Nichol and Jordin Tootoo... yeah, he must SUCK!! Well, actually in a sense yeah it could be like the Wings losing Schneider and Holmstrom. But that's where the comparison ends. If you look at the rest of the team that is. Timonnen's absence leaves a bunch of kids back there and empty rosters spots for what? More kids? If the Wings lose Schneider they still have the best defensman in the league in Lidstrom and Chris Chelios and Lilja. That's far more veteran experience than what Nashville has. Which was my point, the vacancy of leadership on the blueline. As for us losing Homer that would be more comparable except the Wings roll 4 lines while Nashville doesn't really. Again, my point was depth. Hartnell and Timonnen provided alot of depth and leadership. Their loss is 10x greater in those regards than the loss the Wings would have would they lose Homer and Matty. IMO, b/c you have Vokoun the Preds will still be a solid team. However, they will have to learn to play a bit differently. Timonnen's presence and Hartnell's production are gone and not likely to be replaced by unknown Euro's, young prospects and guys like Peverly and Henry. If you think so then more power to you but sorry, minor leaguers and unproven rookies aren't Timonnen and Hartnell. You just lost 2 key cogs to your team. You don't replace that with rookies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bogeygolfer 4 Report post Posted June 19, 2007 i guess we automatically come in alteast 3rd next season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StaticWithABeat 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2007 Prudent move on Nashville's part, considering the circumstances...better to deal them off now and get a 1st round pick than sit around knowing you're not going to sign them and get nothing when they leave. All this Balsillie drama is going to make it hard for Nashville to attract free agents...this might be the best move they make all summer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted June 19, 2007 This is exciting. Now if only Balsillie sells out the rest of the team and they suck, then this so called "rivalry" will go down the s***ter, where it belongs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-Ruff 47 Report post Posted June 19, 2007 Bertuzzi = injured 1 opponent/wrecked his career & faced litigation/potential incarceration Yep, that's would constitute "one retaliatory cheapshot gone horribly wrong." Does that make Bertuzzi worse than Hartnell? By no means. Hartnell = cheapshots yes, 1 injured Jiri Fischer (am I missing anybody - did Cheechoo miss any games?) Is this guy any different than Torres whom cleaned Williams clock? Whether or not a player Hartell cheapshots misses any games is irrelevant.... The fact is a guy like Hartnell does it repeatedly, and Bertuzzi has done it once - count em it: one...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted June 19, 2007 Someone tell me one specific time when Hartnell cheap-shotted someone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted June 19, 2007 Someone tell me one specific time when Hartnell cheap-shotted someone. Way back in the first round of the 2007 playoffs: the knee on Cheechoo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
