wingnut22 81 Report post Posted July 1, 2007 I am sure that's what is going on. Dom is waiting to see what Kenny can put together and then he will know what the range of dollars that's available. $1.5M or $2.5M, both are cheap for what the Wings are getting from Hasek. arrr I's be hopin' tha' ye be right. I be havin' all th' faith in th' world in Ozzie, but I would be likin' t' have Dom back for one more year. An' I really dont see him holdin' out for lots o' dubloons. I really be hopin' tha' this be th' case Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow47 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Thought this from Mlive.com was interesting. It either supports the idea that Hasek wants to give Kenny flexibility, or...well we know the other possiblity: Wings general manager Ken Holland said Dominik Hasek's agent, Ritch Winter, told him he wanted to wait a day or two after July 1 before signing, but there's no cause for alarm. "We're close in a lot of areas ... I'm hoping to finish this off in a day or two,'' Holland said. "We've made progress. We have the nuts and bolts of something in place. They told me there's no reason to be concerned. They just want to sit for a day or two.'' Todd Bertuzzi is also exploring the market, looking for a long-term deal. The Wings are only offering short-term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FireCaptain 563 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 true , with matty out though that puts us in the game , hollands gotta look to get a defensemen now before there all gone , forget ralafalski and souray though cause theyll get 6+ per NICE JOB on the prediction about Raf's 6Mil. Can I have the powerball #s please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 Okay, so Dom's still not signed. Anyone else a little worried? I don't think this is about waiting to see what money is left, as I'm sure Kenny already has a dollar amount he wants left available under the cap for the trade deadline. I'm sure there's a little wiggle room, but it's not like Holland is saying "let me get a couple more guys then I'll pay you whatever's left Dom." what's the holdup?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viperar 16 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 Okay, so Dom's still not signed. Anyone else a little worried? I don't think this is about waiting to see what money is left, as I'm sure Kenny already has a dollar amount he wants left available under the cap for the trade deadline. I'm sure there's a little wiggle room, but it's not like Holland is saying "let me get a couple more guys then I'll pay you whatever's left Dom." what's the holdup?? i was kinda hoping that WAS what kenny was doing, way to burst my bubble harold Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 i was kinda hoping that WAS what kenny was doing, way to burst my bubble harold sorry. It just doesn't make sense to me though. Like I said, I'm sure Kenny's already has amounts he's willing to spend to go out and get a couple more players (plus or minus a few hundred thousand). I can't see that being the holdup with Dom. Who knows. I hope I'm wrong and that is the only holdup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) Okay, so Dom's still not signed. Anyone else a little worried? I don't think this is about waiting to see what money is left, as I'm sure Kenny already has a dollar amount he wants left available under the cap for the trade deadline. I'm sure there's a little wiggle room, but it's not like Holland is saying "let me get a couple more guys then I'll pay you whatever's left Dom." what's the holdup?? Well, not really worried yet, but it would be nice of he would sign already. How long does a negotiation have to take ? Kenny : "Dom, how about 1 year, 1.3 million ?" Dom: "Nah, that's not enough Ken.. " Kenny: "Okay, how about 2 years, 2.6 million ?" Dom: "Damn it Ken, I was talking about the money !" Kenny: "Oh sorry...uhm... how does 1 year, 1.3 million sound ?" Dom: ... *sigh* .... {edit: Tori Spelling} Edited July 5, 2007 by interminded Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 Well, not really worried yet, but it would be nice of he would sign already. How long does a negotiation have to take ? Kenny : "Dom, how about 1 year, 1.3 million ?" Dom: "Nah, that's not enough Ken.. " Kenny: "Okay, how about 2 years, 2.6 million ?" Dom: "Damn it Ken, I was talking about the money !" Kenny: "Oh sorry...uhm... how does 1 year, 1.3 million sound ?" Dom: ... *sigh* .... {edit: Tori Spelling} Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 If its the wings or retire, why hasn't he signed the same god damn contract he did last year. Because he played for peanuts last year and exceeded expectations given where he's at in his career, and whenever he's resigned this year, he'll still be playing for peanuts given all that he has accomplished in his career even with a decent raise. It's called negotiations. They very rarely get done in an hour, much less even a day. Hasek isn't going anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sverige 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 for some reason kings fans seem to think lombardi offered hasek a 2 year $10 mil contract....somehow i don't think this has happened...especially given they probably got this idea from eklund....i do wish he'd just sign something already...i spend way too much time checking the news to see if anything has happened Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 Because he played for peanuts last year and exceeded expectations given where he's at in his career, and whenever he's resigned this year, he'll still be playing for peanuts given all that he has accomplished in his career even with a decent raise. It's called negotiations. They very rarely get done in an hour, much less even a day. Hasek isn't going anywhere. On June 13th, Dom told Holland he wanted to come back, so it's been three weeks. I think that warrants being a tad nervous as it seems like the two sides wouldn't be that far apart in negotiations. Dominik Hasek has told the Red Wings he wants to return for another season, general manager Ken Holland confirmed today. “Dom is coming back, I talked to both him and his agent today, and they both confirmed he is coming back,†Holland said. “I really kind of knew on Friday, but I told Dom’s agent I wanted to make sure Dom is comfortable with the decision. He’s got the support of his family. He’s excited about going to Traverse City for camp.†Advertisement The sides still have to work out a deal, but while Hasek will get a raise from the $750,000 (plus, eventually, $900,000 in bonuses) he made this past season, his salary isn’t going to severely impact the Wings’ cap number. “I don’t see it being an issue,†Holland said of negotiations. “With Dom, it’s about winning.†http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...ORTS05/70613048 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) IF it is not about then money and it is all about letting the wings do their thing... then by god holland is dropping the balll... because sure bloody hell is not doing anything with the extra time (or supposed money) dom is giving him... well unless you call signing usless defensmans and a kick ass backup goalie! Edited July 5, 2007 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 IF it is not about then money and it is all about letting the wings do their thing... then by god holland is dropping the balll... because sure bloody hell is not doing anything with the extra time (or supposed money) dom is giving him... well unless you call signing usless defensmans and a kick ass backup goalie! Rafalski is useless? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) Rafalski is useless? So far to the wings he has been... have you seen him play a game yet in a wings jersey? but I was really talking about Brad Ferrence who was signed for what reason or benefit? After Brian plays a few games and contributes... then I will change my tone... until then I still hold the thought, while Defense wins cups... its hasn't been the reason why the WINGS don't win cups... yet we always seem to bolster our defense. Put Bandaide solutions are what makes the wings offseason so much fun Edited July 5, 2007 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 not worried. I want Wings to go for either quality young goalie or give a chance to Howard. Dom's been good last season but not as good as to be irreplacable. and with age and health being factors I'm definitely not gonna loose a sleep if he's not signed. on the contrary - I'd definitely prefer Wings to go for some other goalie or try with Oz and Howard if no option can be found nothing against Hasek, but I'd rather go with a younger, healthier goalie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) Rafalski is a great signing. It amazes me that people would be upset over it. As for Dom...the whole thing is starting to smell funny. If he hasn't been signed by the start of next week, we'll know something is up. Edited July 5, 2007 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 not worried. I want Wings to go for either quality young goalie or give a chance to Howard. Dom's been good last season but not as good as to be irreplacable. and with age and health being factors I'm definitely not gonna loose a sleep if he's not signed. on the contrary - I'd definitely prefer Wings to go for some other goalie or try with Oz and Howard if no option can be found nothing against Hasek, but I'd rather go with a younger, healthier goalie I hear Gerber's available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 I hear Gerber's available. You're funny, Loo ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) between you and me.... I have always wanted Gerber and well anyother goalie that has never played for the wings before to play here. I bleed Red and White Dammit... I want everyone and everything WE DON'T have. Also, going from above... mark my words... while Rafalski signing looks good... his sole signing will not get us the Cup next year. But then again what do I know I have just been saying we need scoring for the last 3 offseasons and then we don't get it and then we lose... It sucks to be able to see the future sometimes. Anyone have any extra bandaids? Kenny is buying them all up. Edited July 5, 2007 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 I hear Gerber's available. I'd skip him and go for Cloutier. optionally, scoop Theodore from Dives and sign him for 10yr/$100M/NTC ot something like that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) I'd skip him and go for Cloutier. optionally, scoop Theodore from Dives and sign him for 10yr/$100M/NTC ot something like that right on!! Anyone but that broken down, greedy old hulk, Hasek, right?? Edited July 5, 2007 by puckloo39 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWings Gone Wild 6 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 But then again what do I know I have just been saying we need scoring for the last 3 offseasons and then we don't get it and then we lose... The irony is that last season was our poorest offensive season of the past 3, and it is also the only time we made it past the first round. I'd rather know we can grind it out and play defensively than put our faith in streaky scorers to win us the cup. As far as Hasek is concerned, i'm actually indifferent to his return. I'd like to have him, but I'm also tired of crossing my fingers every game hoping his groin doesn't implode. It would be much better for my nerves if Howard and Osgood split time (every other team takes the occasional risk on a young goalie, why must we be the exception?). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 right on!! Anyone but that broken down, greedy old hulk, Hasek, right?? Hasek is better than most possible options, and he's not gonna cost us huge money. and looking at current FA prices any signing Holland could do, any other goalie who's not career backup would demand a long-term commitment and huge bucks. both factors are not what Wings need. but truth being said, I'd love to have a Grade A goalie in his 30's or even younger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 Hasek is better than most possible options, and he's not gonna cost us huge money. and looking at current FA prices any signing Holland could do, any other goalie who's not career backup would demand a long-term commitment and huge bucks. both factors are not what Wings need. but truth being said, I'd love to have a Grade A goalie in his 30's or even younger. I agree, there are not too many affordable younger goalies out there right now. Couple that with the way Dom played last season and the emotional commitment from the team toward him -- they want Dom back, and your best option is Dom. When the season ended, the Wings knew they didn't want to spend money on a goalie, because they figured they could get Dom to come back one more year. Is Dom screwing with the Wings and Kenny? I seriously doubt it. People who don't like him think so. OK, whatever. Of course, a better option would be to get a 30 year old up and coming goalie. Toskala was perfect, in my opinion. Wings didn't have the cash to commit, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 not worried. I want Wings to go for either quality young goalie or give a chance to Howard. Dom's been good last season but not as good as to be irreplacable. and with age and health being factors I'm definitely not gonna loose a sleep if he's not signed. on the contrary - I'd definitely prefer Wings to go for some other goalie or try with Oz and Howard if no option can be found nothing against Hasek, but I'd rather go with a younger, healthier goalie We all know the risks with Hasek. But realistically, he is the Wings' only shot at going far in the playoffs and being a Cup contender. I agree I'd like to see Howard back him up - to give the kid some more playing time. Aside, we might get 'younger and healthier' if we lose Dom and go with Oz and Howard, but only people glaring through their red glasses would think we have any shot at a Cup with that tandem right now (sorry Osgood fans, I like him too, but he's not Hasek). I'm also a bit nervous about the signing - it is Dom - he tends to do strange things, change his mind..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
