Vancouver Wings Fan 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 I remeber at the trade deadline when tons of people on this board were bashing me for saying Bert was nothing.... I said it then...I say it again....Bert is not an enforcer....he is a defensive liability....he takes terrible penalties at the worst possible times...and he has never been a part of a winning team on any level ever.... ....this is no loss....it is a gain in cap room.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blind 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 It's really not that great of a loss. The toughness and grit Bertuzzi brings is not the same the wings system looks for. Bertuzzi carry the puck and is not the shooter that the wings really need. He appeared much like a bigger version of Lang at times in the wing's system. When the wings carry the puck in, they have guys like Datysuk and Zetterberg for it. When they dump and chase, they use their speed, pressure, and forechecking. Size is really necessary for that, though it may help. It doesn't take an overally powerful check to disrupt the defensive setup. Either way, Bertuzzi was too slow for the dump and chase and he isn't the shooter Datysuk and Z needs. They Wings could use his enforcing type, but he really isn't that guy especially after the Moore incident and why pay that much for it. He was one of those players it would be nice to have, but not really important. The only annoying thing is he goes to Anahiem. I don't think anyone like players going there since they just won and they just beat us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 It's too bad I can't stand the Ducks because I like the way they play. I can only wish that the Wings were a team like that. Oh well, let's be happy with another run at the President's trophy and a first or second round loss in the playoffs. I was pissed yesterday with the signing due to the fact that it would keep the wings from signing some needed toughness up front. Now, I've gone over the edge. Why should we be prepared for another early loss? Because Lang, Bertuzzi, and Calder were such huge factors in this year's playoffs? Give me a break. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Size, ok. When did he show you any of the other "attributes" as a Red Wing? Why don't you ask Dion Phaneuf if he saw any of those qualities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Well, our only godsend is that the division still stinks so we almost win by default. I hate to say it but I can't see how this team goes anywhere next year in the playoffs. The defense is still solid, Dom should be good again and the top line rocks but lines 2 thru 4 are, shall we say, less than stellar? Our 2nd line stunk last year but now we don't even have one. The 4th liners get bumped up to 2 but we might not even have Hudler back. Ughh....what a poochscrew. Grigorenko better be the next Sergei Fedorov but with the work ethic of Yzerman or it may not be pretty to watch. Now we get to see how good Kenny Holland really is as a GM. Detroit isn't the preferred stopover to a Stanley Cup anymore and we don't have the cash to throw around. Oh, and Kenny refuses to sign most free agents to any long term deals which is great when you get someone who doesn't pan out but tends to keep the guys who want stability away. I realize that it's only day 2 of free agency and a lot of things can still happen but tripping out of the gate tends to mean you can't catch up with the rest of the pack. Guys, give me reason to believe!!! I'm almost putting my hopes on the Lions! Gee, EVERYONE didn't say this last year, did they? Just go away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Why don't you ask Dion Phaneuf if he saw any of those qualities. I'll ask Phaneuf when he becomes a contributer in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 We finished first in the West without him. I am pissed to see him leave and especially for Anaheim but hey, we can win without the guy. During the regular season... we have GREAT team FOR REGULAR SEASON but when it comes to PLAYOFF we can't compete with these BIG players... Getzlaf, Perry, Moen, Bertuzzi, Penner... Who will fight these guys??? Rafalski??? Lidstrom??? Who will fight with Pronger, Beauchemin, O'Donnell??? I'm sick and tired of people who are saying how smart Kenny is... He didn't signed HASEK yet and I don't know what he's waiting... We don't have 2nd line center (Fillppula is great but I'm not sure that he's ready right now...) We lost only BIG forward... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 I love how every offseason people start saying how the Wings will be lucky to make the playoffs, or won't make it anywhere in the playoffs because of one certain deal... Bertuzzi was not the solution to all our problems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Watched the whole season. Watched them play well in the regular season and get worn down by physical teams in the playoffs. The response to that so far has been to make them a softer team. Sorry if I don't see the reason to be optimistic. Were you watching the Wings' whole season? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Maybe Kenny already know Shanny is coming back.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 2, 2007 So we give up a top prospect for this guy and in the end lose both...great! Let me clue you in on something: this is what happens at the TRADE DEADLINE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Curban915 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Flames signed noaln mark him off the list Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillwater 186 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 When Phaneuf starts posting here, I will. Is that all you've got? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Copenhagen848 58 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 I really expected to see Bert back here for a couple years.....and to go to the Ducks of all teams!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Valas19 50 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 I remeber at the trade deadline when tons of people on this board were bashing me for saying Bert was nothing.... I said it then...I say it again....Bert is not an enforcer....he is a defensive liability....he takes terrible penalties at the worst possible times...and he has never been a part of a winning team on any level ever.... ....this is no loss....it is a gain in cap room.... A gain in cap room to get who?? Please enlighten me. I realize Bertuzzi wasn't the be all end all of the team but he's probably much better than whoever is going to be forced to play from Grand Rapids. You think Daryl Bootland is going to light it up? I hope so but I woudn't count on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 (edited) Pretty much. Yep. Yeah, the Wings forwards sure were soft in the playoffs this year. Bertuzzi didn't make the whole forward corps tough. I hate to break it to you, but Bertuzzi didn't really do much in the WIngs' run. Their forwards showed tons of grit. Edited July 2, 2007 by ARice89 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Why don't you ask Dion Phaneuf if he saw any of those qualities. I'm pretty sure he'd say no. Oh, wait, you're talking about his little scrum with him before a faceoff. Wow, that was some grit right there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Why should we be prepared for another early loss? Because Lang, Bertuzzi, and Calder were such huge factors in this year's playoffs? Give me a break. This is the softest team in the NHL. You really think they can beat Anaheim, San Jose, Calgary, etc... in a 7 game series? This is what we've been seeing since 2002. This team, as it's constructed is too small and soft. In the past few years the wings have lost, shanahan, mccarty, hatcher, bertuzzi, and calder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flip-check 6 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 From my vantage point he was the Wings worst player in the playoffs. Are you expecting him to return to his for, umm, dominance ... not the he was ever actually "dominant". Except for perhaps one great season. if you give him a full season to play, he won't be the same as last year. Bert with playing time under his belt > 'tuzzi coming off a season-long injury. He's got hands and size still, he showed that even in the playoffs despite being as largely invisible as Hank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-Ruff 47 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 In any event, the Wings are a better team this year last.... and Kenny can sign a few more guys still..... I don't understand this talk of first or second round exits..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 (edited) ... kenny re-sign markov ... so our defense can be really strong ... re-sign hasek and wait till trade deadline ... or sign souray for 1 or 2 years Edited July 2, 2007 by KrazyGangsta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viperar 16 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 wow...so many choices left, nolan gone, nice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 During the regular season... we have GREAT team FOR REGULAR SEASON but when it comes to PLAYOFF we can't compete with these BIG players... Getzlaf, Perry, Moen, Bertuzzi, Penner... Who will fight these guys??? Rafalski??? Lidstrom??? Who will fight with Pronger, Beauchemin, O'Donnell??? I'm sick and tired of people who are saying how smart Kenny is... He didn't signed HASEK yet and I don't know what he's waiting... We don't have 2nd line center (Fillppula is great but I'm not sure that he's ready right now...) We lost only BIG forward... No one. Fighting doesn't win hockey games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 This is the softest team in the NHL. You really think they can beat Anaheim, San Jose, Calgary, etc... in a 7 game series? This is what we've been seeing since 2002. This team, as it's constructed is too small and soft. In the past few years the wings have lost, shanahan, mccarty, hatcher, bertuzzi, and calder. Dude, we just DID beat SJ and Calgary in 7 game series with Bertuzzi not being much of a factor AT ALL. Once again, did you miss all of last year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 During the regular season... we have GREAT team FOR REGULAR SEASON but when it comes to PLAYOFF we can't compete with these BIG players... Getzlaf, Perry, Moen, Bertuzzi, Penner... Who will fight these guys??? Rafalski??? Lidstrom??? Who will fight with Pronger, Beauchemin, O'Donnell??? I'm sick and tired of people who are saying how smart Kenny is... He didn't signed HASEK yet and I don't know what he's waiting... We don't have 2nd line center (Fillppula is great but I'm not sure that he's ready right now...) We lost only BIG forward... Apparently its Hasek thats delaying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
