Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 2, 2007 This is the softest team in the NHL. You really think they can beat Anaheim, San Jose, Calgary, etc... in a 7 game series? This is what we've been seeing since 2002. This team, as it's constructed is too small and soft. In the past few years the wings have lost, shanahan, mccarty, hatcher, bertuzzi, and calder. This has got to be the funniest, most comical, and most asinine post I've seen in long while. What do you think people were saying earlier this year? "Oh, this team is too soft, we couldn't POSSIBLY beat San Jose in a 7-game series." Right, ok. We beat San Jose, we beat Calgary. If not for injuries to Schneider and Kronwall--NEITHER of which were due to physical play--we'd probably have won it all. WOW! GO AWAY! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted July 2, 2007 I love how every offseason people start saying how the Wings will be lucky to make the playoffs, or won't make it anywhere in the playoffs because of one certain deal... Bertuzzi was not the solution to all our problems. Bertuzzi was not the solution to ANY of our problems! He did nothing in the playoffs (wait, I recall a certain penalty that screwed us over against the Flames), and iirc, we were undefeated without him in the playoffs. We won a ton of games without him. The games that he did play in, he wasn't a physical presence like everyone wants to believe. He used to be that, but not anymore. I can't believe people are saying we're screwed for next year because we lost a guy that scored, like, two goals. Big deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 (edited) This is the softest team in the NHL. You really think they can beat Anaheim, San Jose, Calgary, etc... in a 7 game series? This is what we've been seeing since 2002. This team, as it's constructed is too small and soft. In the past few years the wings have lost, shanahan, mccarty, hatcher, bertuzzi, and calder. I heard that last year too. Thanks. Bertuzzi didn't play and the Calgary series and we beat them in six. He wasn't a factor in the San Jose series and, yes, we beat them in six. Edited July 2, 2007 by ARice89 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cupcrazy 13 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 No................. So much for his quote in your sig! All any of these players care about it money! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 I'm pretty sure he'd say no. Oh, wait, you're talking about his little scrum with him before a faceoff. Wow, that was some grit right there. Maybe you forgot that Bertuzzi led the forwards in hits the entire playoffs until he started having spasms again. I guess that doesn't count either, right? p.s. did you see anyone else on the team willing to drop the gloves to defend a teammate or themselves? Markov did. Oh yeah, he's gone too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moocat 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Are we really this upset about losing a guy that was concussed by our back up goalie? The loss of Lang/Calder and Beeftuzzi doesn't upset me much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 This is the softest team in the NHL. You really think they can beat Anaheim, San Jose, Calgary, etc... in a 7 game series? This is what we've been seeing since 2002. This team, as it's constructed is too small and soft. In the past few years the wings have lost, shanahan, mccarty, hatcher, bertuzzi, and calder. Absolutely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Maybe you forgot that Bertuzzi led the forwards in hits the entire playoffs until he started having spasms again. I guess that doesn't count either, right? p.s. did you see anyone else on the team willing to drop the gloves to defend a teammate or themselves? Markov did. Oh yeah, he's gone too. When the f*** did Bertuzzi stand up for anyone on the team? When did he drops the gloves?! And don't bring Markov into this, because I want him back. I've said in may topics that he's the number one guy I want back after Hasek. I don't know if your hits statistic is true, but if it is, I certainly missed nearly all of his hits. I saw his bad penalties and turnovers, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 I heard that last year too. Thanks. What'd they win last year? That's right, nothing. The same will hold true next year. Maybe we have different goals. I want the Wings to win the Cup. Couldn't care less about getting the President's trophy or winning the division. This team is too soft to win the cup. That REALLY bugs me. Why not find a weakness and address it? What happened against the Ducks? They wore the Wings down with their physicality and borderline cheapness. You think that won't happen again if they play? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 I believe in Kenny, he must have something up his sleevs. He must have looked at options outside of Bertuzzi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 It would have been nice to bring back Bert, but it's ok. Now we have some cap room to sign a big forward without back problems. I'm sure Kenny, Scotty, Jimmy D, and Iron Mike saw Bertuzzi as to big of a risk. I bet it was tough trying to come to terms with him not knowing how many games he'll play. Florida had no idea his back was messed up when they traded Luongo for him. If Todd misses time again, it's Anaheim's problem, not ours. We're fine.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Yeah, the Wings forwards sure were soft in the playoffs this year. Bertuzzi didn't make the whole forward corps tough. I hate to break it to you, but Bertuzzi didn't really do much in the WIngs' run. Their forwards showed tons of grit. I am not talking about this past playoffs. The Wings were fantastic in terms of toughness and they proved everyone wrong. Bert was up there in hits in the league and while he wasn't doing much up front, he threw his body around. He's tough as hell and when he's out there, players think twice before they start something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 I've been saying it: we don't need Bertuzzi. He's been hurt on and off for years and didn't prove a thing to me when he came here. I would have given him $2.5. since he ain't proven he can play since he was in Vancouver. People say we've lost any grit we've had. I see it as cutting the fat off our remaining capspace. Outside of a quick, easy throwing of Phaneuf, Bertuzzi didn't play all too physical and without showing anymore than Lang, he gets the same treatment, and I'm fine with that. Now whats done is done and we can concentrate on our goalie situation and our pick of plenty of more than capable forwards who are plenty more of a steal then Bertuzzi. Let those who have money throw it around and waste it locking up risky players for too much dough. The Wings will sign smart, thats how its always been. Cleary blossomed, Draper was $1, Cheli's career was circling the drain... There are still plenty of great names out there without the press, pay, and baggage of the Brieres, Smyths, or Drurys. We can take care of Hasek (eventhough I would prefer someone more solid), resign Markov, bag Kozlov, and we will still have plenty of money to sign another solid forward if need be (though I'm bummed to read Nolan went to Calgary). We'll be bringing up Grigorenko, Filpulla will have a break out year, and everything will be fine. NO NEED TO PANIC EVERYONE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 ALL I KNOW ... BERTUZZI AND SCHNEIDER MEAN SELANNE AND NIEDERMAYE ARE GONE ... THAT MEANS THEY DID NOT UPGRADE OR GET THE SAME TALENT ... last year's anaheim team is stronger faster better ... then the one their having this year ... bertuzzi is slow ... schneider is not that good in defensive zone ... I LOVED BERTUZZI ... BUT I ONLY LOVED HIS SIZE NOTHING ELSE ... anyways good for us ... we just got younger again better for us Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 When the f*** did Bertuzzi stand up for anyone on the team? When did he drops the gloves?! And don't bring Markov into this, because I want him back. I've said in may topics that he's the number one guy I want back after Hasek. I don't know if your hits statistic is true, but if it is, I certainly missed nearly all of his hits. I saw his bad penalties and turnovers, though. Umm when he body slammed Phaneuf. That was because he tripped Lilja. He also stood up for Datsyuk a couple times when anyone got near him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 2, 2007 What'd they win last year? That's right, nothing. The same will hold true next year. Maybe we have different goals. I want the Wings to win the Cup. Couldn't care less about getting the President's trophy or winning the division. This team is too soft to win the cup. That REALLY bugs me. Why not find a weakness and address it? What happened against the Ducks? They wore the Wings down with their physicality and borderline cheapness. You think that won't happen again if they play? I'd like to thank you--you've convinced me to forgo wasting time on people like you this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted July 2, 2007 The Ducks and Sharks have both gotten worse thus far, while the Wings have gotten better. Everyone calm down. I like how everyone continues to doubt Holland and co., even though he's probably the best GM in the league, and always has a plan and knows what he's doing. He's not stupid. The organization is in good hands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flip-check 6 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Absolutely. I believe in Kenny, he must have something up his sleevs. He must have looked at options outside of Bertuzzi. Same on the team's potential. Losing Bert doesn't change what we brought to the table against San Jose and Anaheim. Don't think the Sharks brought their full potential though, we didn't face what we should have. We have to pull some toughness out somewhere... don't know about Kenny having a trick for this however Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 No one. Fighting doesn't win hockey games. I'm sorry I wanted to say BATTLE instead of fighting... My bad and thank you for correction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Absolutely. Feel free to explain to me how in a seven game series the Wings won't be beaten up, bloodied, and beaten by these two HUGE teams. I'm sorry, I've seen the Wings get pushed around year after year in the playoffs and I see no reason to believe that won't happen again. The reason they advanced so far this year, and no one can argue this, is because of their grit. Babcock keeps saying the Wings need to get grittier and he's doing his best to make them that way. Wouldn't it be easier to do that with guys who are gritty? You and I have had this discussion since 2002 on here and I've still yet to see a cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 and for people that think bertuzzi left now we cant beat teams like calgary and san jose or anaheim think again... we beat calgary and san jose ... without kronwall (top 4 defensmen) wich his probably our only defensemen that is not scared to go for a hit after markov ... and we almost beat anaheim without 2 of our top 4 defensemen ... bertuzzi didnt do s*** he was pretty much a floater ... anyways wasnt he the one that gave the puck away ... to anaheim or something like that happened ... better for us i hope we use the money else where ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 2, 2007 I'm going to take a break from the hockey talk. I wont deny that this news has brought my sense of hockey security crashing down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Dude, we just DID beat SJ and Calgary in 7 game series with Bertuzzi not being much of a factor AT ALL. Once again, did you miss all of last year? He was coming off BACK SURGERY!!! Do you have any idea of how painfull is first 7-8 months after that surgery??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 well. I think I will miss the "idea" of Bert more than I will miss the actual player himself. I wish he had stuck around long enough to prove that he still has it. Hope finds what he really wants with the Yucks. And good luck putting up with Burke, Bert. I honestly won't really miss Lang or Bert all that much, I don't think. We have good players who will step up and play Red Wings hockey. We can beat Anaheim, Calgary and the Sharks... yes, we can! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 What'd they win last year? That's right, nothing. The same will hold true next year. Maybe we have different goals. I want the Wings to win the Cup. Couldn't care less about getting the President's trophy or winning the division. This team is too soft to win the cup. That REALLY bugs me. Why not find a weakness and address it? What happened against the Ducks? They wore the Wings down with their physicality and borderline cheapness. You think that won't happen again if they play? Either way, one player isn't going to make much of a difference. Contrary to popular opinion, Bertuzzi isn't the answer to the Wings' need for grit. That's a philosophical thing that begins with drafting. Bertuzzi would've been nice, but it takes more than just one guy if you want a tough and abrasive team like Anaheim has. The series with the Ducks could've easily gone either way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
