University of Michigan - The upset - The future

[RedWingedKitten 9]

I dicided to make a thread about UM football.

After saturdays shocking upset by App state, what do you think will happen with michigan?

-Do you think that it was just a fluke game and michigan will get their bearings back and win the majority of their games?

-Do you think that Michigan will lose the majority of their games because the "suck" now?

-Do you think Michigan will be an average team?

-(my personal favorite) Do you think that over night App state got really really good, and will beat every team they play 70-0, and michigan will beat every team they play 70-0, then Appstate and Michigan will find eachother in a BCS game and michigan will win vary closely, re-deeming themselves? (this option is a joke, fyi)

Personally I think the last option is most probable. But in all seriousness, I think that Michigan came into that game overly cocky, and that game acted like a kick in the pants. Don't think Michigan is out of the running for the Rose bowl. (or even the BCS??????)

Anyways post your thoughts on what you think will happen, feel free to make your own options up.

Edited September 4, 2007 by RedWingedKitten

[Izzy24 44]

It's familiar territory. It seems pretty much a given that UM will be in the preseason top 5, lose their first game, and then try to make up for it the rest of the season.

[timothy1997 0]

App State cannot be in a BCS game...they are not even in Divison 1.

IMO, Michigan will finish with 2-3 losses...play in the Outback or Capital One Bowl and Lloyd Carr will be fired at the end of this season.

Edited September 3, 2007 by timothy1997

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I dicided to make a thread about UM football.

After saturdays shocking upset by App state, what do you think will happen with michigan?

-Do you think that it was just a fluke game and michigan will get their bearings back and win the majority of their games?

-Do you think that Michigan will lose the majority of their games because the "suck" now?

-Do you think Michigan will be an average team?

-(my personal favorite) Do you think that over night App state got really really good, and will beat every team they play 70-0, and michigan will beat every team they play 70-0, then Appstate and Michigan will find eachother in a BCS game and michigan will win vary closely, re-deeming themselves?

Personally I think the last option is most probable. But in all seriousness, I think that Michigan came into that game overly cocky, and that game acted like a kick in the pants. Don't think Michigan is out of the running for the Rose bowl. (or even the BCS??????)

Anyways post your thoughts on what you think will happen, feel free to make your own options up.

While I don't have the Big 10 Network or watched the game living way way south of the area, here's my thoughts from seeing post-game highlights...

- I take the middle ground in terms of the fluke. While I think they'll still take care of business in a lot of their games this year, that game exposed, from the limited highlights that I saw, that the defense has plenty of work to do on short/mid-range passes like slants/WR screens. Defense is suspectible. Offense should be fine.

- Will they "suck" and lose the majority of their games? Absolutely not. The overreaction/drama time from fans is done with and over. While nobody will ever forget this game, it's calmer times now and they'll get back on track.

- It's not a stretch to say that Michigan might be an "average" team if their defense doesn't solve the passing game as I stated above. Too early to tell though after 1 game.

- Appalachian State has always been a solid program despite being I-AA and winning the last 2 National Championships in I-AA. Regardless, not an excuse as there was no logical reason for Michigan not to win this by at least 25. Appalachian State played the game of their life, and they will still continue to be good, but to think they'll win every game 50-0 and go undefeated, just because of this win, is just as unrealistic as thinking Michigan is just going to completely "suck" now b/c of this loss.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

App State cannot be in a BCS game...they are not even in Divison 1.

IMO, Michigan will finish with 2-3 losses...play in the Outback or Capital One Bowl and Lloyd Carr will be fired at the end of this season.

Media and people need to relieze Lloyd Carr will never be fired at Michigan unless he got in trouble off the football field. It doesn't matter anyway though because he will retire here soon.

[betterREDthandead 58]

I'll wait and see how they do against Oregon before I pass any judgment. How the team fares in the rest of the season no longer has anything to do with talent. If they lose to Oregon or just squeak by, it'll be a very long season indeed. Forget the Outback.....Alamo? Motor City? If they come out like gangbusters, all fired up and ready to put the upset behind them, and wreck Oregon, then maybe we can hit reset on the season and be a Big Ten contender after all.

[Guest DetroitIan]

Personally, I think Michigan still has a great chance to win the Big Ten Title, get in the Rose Bowl, and have another successful season. Not the success we we're all hoping for(National Championship), but it will still be a successful season nonetheless. I truly believe they will get over that horrible loss. And come out that much harder from week to week. IMO as long as Mike Hart stays healthy, Michigan will play the way we know they can. I can't wait to see how they come out against a solid Oregon squad. Should be a fun game to watch.

[timothy1997 0]

Personally, I think Michigan still has a great chance to win the Big Ten Title, get in the Rose Bowl, and have another successful season. Not the success we we're all hoping for(National Championship), but it will still be a successful season nonetheless. I truly believe they will get over that horrible loss. And come out that much harder from week to week. IMO as long as Mike Hart stays healthy, Michigan will play the way we know they can. I can't wait to see how they come out against a solid Oregon squad. Should be a fun game to watch.

A question I have tho is that enough for Michigan fans. If UM wins out, beats Ohio State and wins the Big Ten title...goes on to beat California in the Rose Bowl, is the season a success?

[Guest DetroitIan]

A question I have tho is that enough for Michigan fans. If UM wins out, beats Ohio State and wins the Big Ten title...goes on to beat California in the Rose Bowl, is the season a success?

It would definitely be a successful season overall. But the kinda success most Maze and Blue fans were expecting is a National Championship. That being said, this Michigan fan is very disappointed that they wont contend for the Nat. Championship. However, all things considering, if they run the table, beat osu, and go on to win the Big Ten Title. I will be happy as a fan. And to me, that is a successful season. Or atleast, as successful as it can be after what happend last week.

[WingsZR2 1]

Its time for a major shake up at Michigan. I can only hope that Carr steps down after this year. I can't take losing to Ohio State and not winning a bowl game that matters. Losing to a 1-AA school is embarrassing to say the least. Fresh faces may be able to turn the talent Michigan gets every year into something special.

[BlakChamber 8]

If Michigan wins out the rest of the season they'll be in a BCS bowl. But they've got a tough schedule. Oregon, and Penn State are tough early season games. Especially since Oregon has a mobile QB and UM still hasn't figured out what to do about them. Hell, even ND could be tough if they get their s*** together. Then they end the season at MSU, at Wisconsin, and against the Buckeyes and Jim Tressel, who has turned Lloyd into his *****.

[Matt 1,049]

Gut reaction talking about it yesterday around the bonfire is that I wouldn't be surprised to see this team run the table the rest of the season.

Doesn't really matter to me either way -- they still LOST to Appalachian-Friggin'-State.

Winning the Big Ten and a BCS bowl does NOT remove the stink of losing to a Div-II (or whatever they're calling it this year) school. End of story.

This team and this coaching staff embarassed this program. Someone that sent a comment in to the Free Press hit the nail on the head: "They should all go over to Bo's grave and apologize."

Embarassing.

Oh -- and Lloyd is definitely done after this season regardless of how it finishes out. I always thought he was done after this class (Henne/Hart/Long) moved on anyway, but he'll probably be getting a nudge out the door instead of leaving 100% of his own accord.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

we'll always be better than michigan state so that is all that really matters... im sure you guys will be like 2-18 maybe...... if you can actually pull of another win.

They have one more win than your boys, big guy.

[BlakChamber 8]

we'll always be better than michigan state so that is all that really matters... im sure you guys will be like 2-18 maybe...... if you can actually pull of another win.

Laugh it up. Michigan State has never lost to a 1-AA team.

[Guest DetroitIan]

They have one more win than your boys, big guy.

True. But in all fairness, there is no doubt in my mind that when this season is all said and done, Michigan will have more wins than State. Possibly win the Big Ten(unlike State) and possibly only finish the year with one loss on their record. No way State finishes the year better than the Maze and Blue. No way. Depsite the pathetic loss to a !-AA team, we can still salvage this season with atleast some success. I dont care what anyone says, if Michigan runs the table the rest of the way, most Michigan fans will be atleast semi-happy about the season. Yeah it was a horrible, insanely pathetic loss. But it was just one bad day. One bad game. And unless it carries into the season, there is no reason for Michigan fans to continue to dwell on that loss.

Laugh it up. Michigan State has never lost to a 1-AA team.

Yeah, and if they did. No one would care a 1/4 as much. And I think we all know why. For the past 20 years, State football has been a joke. Sorry, but one pathetic horrible loss, doesnt overshadow Michigan's pure superiority over State. In fact, even after losing to a frickin 1-AA team, Michigan will STILL have the more successful season, and Michigan will STILL have a better record than State. That pretty much says it all about Michigan State football.

Edited September 4, 2007 by DetroitIan

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

All I know is...I never have to hear another Florida joke...ever....again.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3002828

Indianapolis Colts defensive back Marlin Jackson, a former Michigan standout, said he was embarrassed by the result.

"We lost to a I-AA program, and we were a top-five team," he said. "To go out and be the first team in history to lose to a I-AA team, it hurts."

Jackson said the loss has been an almost nonstop topic of conversation for him.

"That's all I've been getting the last couple of days. Every text message I get just says 'Appalachian State.' That's all it says," he said.

"The Ohio State guys have been all right. It's everybody else around here. Even coach [Tony] Dungy said something to me about it."

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

The App State game hurts like no other pain. The only good thing (if there is one) is it is almost a sure bet there will be a whole new coaching staff next season. Sometimes you have to hit the ground hard before you relieze you need to shake things up. This will be the biggest coaching job that has been open in a long time. I would put it ahead of ND a few years ago, and Florida.

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

I told by friend at work from NC before the game that Michigan had a tough schedule and would probably lose 3 games - said friend from NC warned me that App. State was pretty good - defending IIA champs- unbeaten streak. Said friend turned out to be right....tomorrow will be rough at work!

Deja vu: UM being overranked to start the season and losing their first game. Sure a surprise that is was App State and not Oregon next week handing them their first loss - but the overhype on ESPN about the upset is ridiculous. I live in Colorado and they got beat the first game last year by IAA (but they weren't ranked so I guess that doesn't count)...

I've been a Carr fan - but this is pretty indefensable. Not so much that they lost - but that the team has been completely unprepared the last two games. There is no excuse for that - he owned up to it at least (cough cough JL Smith). I don't feel right about him leaving now and having another coach - probably an asst from within have to finish off the season. I think it's his job to right the ship. However, I think the classy thing to do would be to resign after this season. It's been a great run, but the dike has too many holes in it. I think it's admirable that Michigan holds onto its coaches for a long time instead of swapping them out every few years like some programs do, but it's just time. I wouldn't want Lloyd to turn into a JoPa.....(stayed about 10 years too long!)

As a fan, I've been there for the good times, so I'll be there for the bad ones too. Season should be interesting still for the Big Ten.

Finally, congrats to Appy State. Made a fan out of me. Now that's a team with alot of heart. If they played the Lions, I'd put my money on......

[Packer487 3]

A question I have tho is that enough for Michigan fans. If UM wins out, beats Ohio State and wins the Big Ten title...goes on to beat California in the Rose Bowl, is the season a success?

Absolutely it's a success. I'm fairly sure that fans of pretty much every NCAA football team (save for maybe USC) would gladly take 12-1 with a BCS bowl win, but it would be strangely unsatisfying because of the huge "If only" out there.

The warning signs for this loss were there. App State--while Division I-AA--is better than probably at least 30 teams in I-A, and Michigan has played nail-biters against "creampuffs" in the recent past: (24-21 against San Diego State in 2004, 10-7 against Utah in 2002, 34-26 against Ball State last year). Add in the perfect storm of a team without ANYTHING to lose, pointing to it as their Super Bowl, focusing on it for a good six months or so, and the fact that they've got some talented players, have a running quarterback and a spread offense, and it's no wonder Michigan ended up in a dogfight.

It's been clear for awhile that Michigan doesn't take these teams seriously, they don't focus on them, they just try to get through the game without showing anything to their next opponent. Well this time it bit them. It's a lesson they should've learned 3 or 4 times over by now, and that falls onto the coach.

[Guest DetroitIan]

Absolutely it's a success. I'm fairly sure that fans of pretty much every NCAA football team (save for maybe USC) would gladly take 12-1 with a BCS bowl win, but it would be strangely unsatisfying because of the huge "If only" out there.

The warning signs for this loss were there. App State--while Division I-AA--is better than probably at least 30 teams in I-A, and Michigan has played nail-biters against "creampuffs" in the recent past: (24-21 against San Diego State in 2004, 10-7 against Utah in 2002, 34-26 against Ball State last year). Add in the perfect storm of a team without ANYTHING to lose, pointing to it as their Super Bowl, focusing on it for a good six months or so, and the fact that they've got some talented players, have a running quarterback and a spread offense, and it's no wonder Michigan ended up in a dogfight.

It's been clear for awhile that Michigan doesn't take these teams seriously, they don't focus on them, they just try to get through the game without showing anything to their next opponent. Well this time it bit them. It's a lesson they should've learned 3 or 4 times over by now, and that falls onto the coach.

Wow, I cant believe it. I agree completely. In fact, I agree so much. That there is really nothing to add. You said it perfectly. Well done chap.

[BlakChamber 8]

we'll always be better than michigan state so that is all that really matters... im sure you guys will be like 2-18 maybe...... if you can actually pull of another win.

See, stuff like this is why State fans hate Michigan fans. This topic has absolutely nothing to do with MSU, but guess who brought up MSU. Here's a hint, it wasn't a State fan.

Yeah, and if they did. No one would care a 1/4 as much. And I think we all know why. For the past 20 years, State football has been a joke. Sorry, but one pathetic horrible loss, doesnt overshadow Michigan's pure superiority over State. In fact, even after losing to a frickin 1-AA team, Michigan will STILL have the more successful season, and Michigan will STILL have a better record than State. That pretty much says it all about Michigan State football.

I love when UM fans go on rants like this. You're acting like you're telling me something I don't know. I'm well aware of the problems my school has and that in all likely hood, UM will have the better season since they A) have more talent and are a better team, B) have a more favorite schedule than MSU, and C) aren't recovering from having Bobby Williams and Slappy as their coach.

The only good thing about Michigan fans like you guys is that come basketball season, you're no where to be found.

[timothy1997 0]

The only good thing about Michigan fans like you guys is that come basketball season, you're no where to be found.

Exactly. I come in year in and year out and am loyal to Michigan State THROUGHOUT the year. Yeah it's tough being a Michigan State football fan but I don't wavor and I don't hide. Green and White to the end.

we'll always be better than michigan state so that is all that really matters... im sure you guys will be like 2-18 maybe...... if you can actually pull of another win.

as Mickey Redmond would say "whatta total idiot". Michigan's main rival is Ohio State, always has and always will be. If Michigan were to go 6-6, State went 5-7 and Ohio State went 10-2...do you really think that Michigan having a better record than State would be the "only thing that really matters"??? HELLLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOO!!

State also only plays 12 games on the schedule, 13 if you count a bowl game. How can you say that they will be 2-18??

This poster is an embrassment to all Michigan football fans here.

[eva unit zero 271]

A question I have tho is that enough for Michigan fans. If UM wins out, beats Ohio State and wins the Big Ten title...goes on to beat California in the Rose Bowl, is the season a success?

Given that going into the season the Wolverines had a very inexperienced defense, it was unreasonable to expect more than a Big Ten championship and a Rose Bowl berth. So I would call the season disappointing if Michigan does win out from here on out, but only because that would mean the team was definitely good enough to go undefeated and get into the title game. Michigan still has a strong chance of doing that, but USC destroyed Michigan in the Rose Bowl last year, and returns most starters while Michigan lost most of their defense. Anyone who expected Michigan to beat USC this year was pretty optimistic.

[timothy1997 0]

Given that going into the season the Wolverines had a very inexperienced defense, it was unreasonable to expect more than a Big Ten championship and a Rose Bowl berth. So I would call the season disappointing if Michigan does win out from here on out, but only because that would mean the team was definitely good enough to go undefeated and get into the title game. Michigan still has a strong chance of doing that, but USC destroyed Michigan in the Rose Bowl last year, and returns most starters while Michigan lost most of their defense. Anyone who expected Michigan to beat USC this year was pretty optimistic.

Finally, someone said it. English and the defense were way overrated and I have been waiting for a Michigan fan to finally admit it.

USC might have one of the best college teams ever. No way does Michigan stand a chance against them.