Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted October 6, 2007 I hope the two of you someday find and enjoy the cheese you both believe to exist on the moon. Don't forget to bring crackers along to have with it. Wait, you mean moonster cheese isnt actually from the moon???? That damn bakery lied to me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted October 6, 2007 Hudler is affected, so is every other player in the NHL, NBA, NFL, or CFL. Intimidation affects us all, whether you want to admit the fact that your idol is human or not. I don't care whether he calls Kubina names at recess or jaws with him: it does affect his play. Your reluctance to admit to the human condition is quite disconcerting. I had previously pictured you as someone with common sense, but I'm not sure how I can discuss anything with someone who refuses to acknowledge reality. Your posts are all starting to sound like "The moon is made of cheese! The moon really is made of cheese! I repeat, the moon is made of cheese!" I don't wanna put you on ignore or anything cause you contribute some interesting ideas on other topics and you are certainly well read in other areas of the game, but this enforcer argument of yours is getting a tad ridiculous. Hudler is a grown man playing a game for a living. He's a cocky little SOB and shows very little regard for self-preservation. The big meanies from the other team do not have him shaking in his boots. If they did, he never would have made it this far to begin with. He's a fierce competitior and no one, not Kubina, not Winchester, not whoever is going to scare him away from making plays and going to high-traffic areas of the ice to make them. Choosing not to fight and/or playing a skilled style of hockey doesn't automatically make you a coward. Oh and FYI, you couldn't put me on ignore if you wanted to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted October 6, 2007 Don't state it as a fact without any facts to back it up. You're speculating, some players are just fearless, maybe Hudler is, maybe he isn't, but you can't throw out a blanket statement like without anything behind it. NN gave examples to back up his claim, you give nothing but opinion. This is the same type of argument as the "it cuts down on cheap shots against your team" argument, there aren't any stats for things that don't happen. Doesn't mean they couldn't have. I call for a new "Intimidated During Game" stat! Cheers! esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted October 6, 2007 This is the same type of argument as the "it cuts down on cheap shots against your team" argument, there aren't any stats for things that don't happen. Doesn't mean they couldn't have. I call for a new "Intimidated During Game" stat! Cheers! esteef Global Warming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 Downey cleared waivers, according to Ken and Mickey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skiing - Puck 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 With the games getting more physical they may need to keep Downey around. Drake has had two fights in two games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 Drake keeps it up, fine. I still wouldnt mind having Downey playing, just to keep Dallas healthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mule39 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 Potential of what??? to be 15th forward - depth forwards??? Please stop that s*** with potential - look at Kronvall he has ''potential'' to be off. def. but he can't play more than 65 games a year and he can't score... and we pay him $3M. We?? You aren't part of the Red Wings. You can take your pisspoor attitude out of here anytime. Screw an enforcer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 We?? You aren't part of the Red Wings. You can take your pisspoor attitude out of here anytime. Screw an enforcer. and the homer award goes to.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 Bulls***. Grigorenko should have to prove himself before he get's a roster spot here. I'd rather have Downey. An enforcer is much more valuable, at this point, then a small, lazy winger who can't even speak a lick of english, even though he's known for years that he'd have to learn the language at some point. Pathetic if you ask me. Glad Downey cleared, and hopefully the Wings keep him around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 (edited) lol @ Lou. I agree Kp, I'd rather have Downey too. Edited October 7, 2007 by Detroit # 1 Fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted October 7, 2007 I repeat. Hudler is fearless. He knows he's not a good fighter so he doesn't fight. But he'll jaw and jab at anyone. I'm having a hard time understanding you. It sounds like you're arguing that Hudler is fearless in a Maltby sort of way. That's not what I call fearless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 What has Ellis ever shown??? Grigorenko??? Sammy??? Kopecky??? Ellis, Grigorenko, and Kopecky are all at the beginning of their careers and are already better players than Downey. Sammy is a top six forward in the NHL based on his goals and points per game, and scored more goals during a disappointing 06-07 season than the older Downey has scored in his career. Sammy is better defensively also, and is not a soft player like you would like to have us believe. Downey offers nothing but fighting, and he's not even that good at that. Last guy we had on the roster who offered nothing but fighting? Stu Grimson. We've won three Cups since he left the team. He don't need to fights... he had enforcers around him in every year... Would you rather have enforcer (player that plays for 500k) who will drop the gloves or one of the best def. dropping his gloves??? The point being made was that even if he had an enforcer, Pronger wouldn't have had to pay; we'd have just seen our enforcer fight Parros, May, or Moen...which deters Pronger from hitting Homer again in the future? The fact that Pronger has only been in one fight (a meaningless scrap against Krys Barch at the end of a period) since the 01-02 season tells me exactly how much deterring enforcers do. None at all. Yeah, that means that every other team in this league has at least one enforcer... You sure it doesn't mean that other teams aren't interested in a past his prime player who is only a second tier fighter and is only 6-1, 212, and doesn't make up for his lack of size or fighting ability relative to other enforcers with the ability to, oh i don't know, PLAY HOCKEY? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 We?? You aren't part of the Red Wings. You can take your pisspoor attitude out of here anytime. Screw an enforcer. WTF are you talking about??? Every fan is part of Red Wings - no fans no Red Wings... But it's too complicate for your small brain... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 (edited) Ellis, Grigorenko, and Kopecky are all at the beginning of their careers and are already better players than Downey. Sammy is a top six forward in the NHL based on his goals and points per game, and scored more goals during a disappointing 06-07 season than the older Downey has scored in his career. Sammy is better defensively also, and is not a soft player like you would like to have us believe. Downey offers nothing but fighting, and he's not even that good at that. Last guy we had on the roster who offered nothing but fighting? Stu Grimson. We've won three Cups since he left the team. The point being made was that even if he had an enforcer, Pronger wouldn't have had to pay; we'd have just seen our enforcer fight Parros, May, or Moen...which deters Pronger from hitting Homer again in the future? The fact that Pronger has only been in one fight (a meaningless scrap against Krys Barch at the end of a period) since the 01-02 season tells me exactly how much deterring enforcers do. None at all. You sure it doesn't mean that other teams aren't interested in a past his prime player who is only a second tier fighter and is only 6-1, 212, and doesn't make up for his lack of size or fighting ability relative to other enforcers with the ability to, oh i don't know, PLAY HOCKEY? Ellis is 26... the beginning of his career... give me a break... Grigorenko is 24-25 - I have no problem with him but he didn't earn his place on this roster... Sammy is a top six forward... only in your wet dreams... We should consider Probert as a top 3 forward based on 1987-1988 season... Sammy good defensively??? Who said this? and is not a soft player like you would like to have us believe. are you serious??? Downey offers nothing but fighting, and he's not even that good at that - absolutly true - but we don't have no one else to do that job... that's sad... Last guy we had on the roster who offered nothing but fighting? Stu Grimson. We've won three Cups since he left the team. - here we go again... We had KOCUR, LAPOINTE, SHANAHAN, McCARTY, KONSTANTINOV, ROUSE, WARD, MACOUIN... for 97-98 and 98-99 (2002 we had all star team...) I'm sorry but your posts = Edited October 7, 2007 by Dominator2005 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mule39 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 WTF are you talking about??? Every fan is part of Red Wings - no fans no Red Wings... But it's too complicate for your small brain... Just get it through your thick skull that the days of Probert and Kocur are done in Detroit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 Just get it through your thick skull that the days of Probert and Kocur are done in Detroit. You are right *******... whatever you say... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 The fact that Pronger has only been in one fight (a meaningless scrap against Krys Barch at the end of a period) since the 01-02 season tells me exactly how much deterring enforcers do. None at all.[/font] So, then tell my why Giguere was never run last year in the playoffs and Hasek was hit repeatedly? Was that just a coincidence, in your opinion? Iginla even came out in the papers saying they were doing it on purpose to Dom. Ellis is 26... the beginning of his career... give me a break... Grigorenko is 24-25 - I have no problem with him but he didn't earn his place on this roster... Sammy is a top six forward... only in your wet dreams... We should consider Probert as a top 3 forward based on 1987-1988 season... Sammy good defensively??? Who said this? and is not a soft player like you would like to have us believe. are you serious??? Downey offers nothing but fighting, and he's not even that good at that - absolutly true - but we don't have no one else to do that job... that's sad... Last guy we had on the roster who offered nothing but fighting? Stu Grimson. We've won three Cups since he left the team. - here we go again... We had KOCUR, LAPOINTE, SHANAHAN, McCARTY, KONSTANTINOV, ROUSE, WARD, MACOUIN... for 97-98 and 98-99 (2002 we had all star team...) I'm sorry but your posts = No, Dom, you're wrong. The Wings won three cups because Grimson wasn't on the team! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 Downey offers nothing but fighting, and he's not even that good at that. Last guy we had on the roster who offered nothing but fighting? Stu Grimson. We've won three Cups since he left the team. Grimson scored in the Cup Finals against Jersey...an outstanding point eva! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 (edited) Sammy is 2nd liner based on his points and goals per game... question for all Sammy lover - HOW MUCH POINTS/GOALS HE HAS ON 5-5 HOCKEY??? So, then tell my why Giguere was never run last year in the playoffs and Hasek was hit repeatedly? Was that just a coincidence, in your opinion? Iginla even came out in the papers saying they were doing it on purpose to Dom. No, Dom, you're wrong. The Wings won three cups because Grimson wasn't on the team! It was all about Stu Grimson... damn it The fact that Pronger has only been in one fight (a meaningless scrap against Krys Barch at the end of a period) since the 01-02 season tells me exactly how much deterring enforcers do. None at all. That's why they had Parros, Thornton, Moen, O'Donnel, May... Excellent... Edited October 7, 2007 by Dominator2005 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skiing - Puck 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 Drake keeps it up, fine. I still wouldnt mind having Downey playing, just to keep Dallas healthy. I belive that I said that the wings should keed Downey. At 38 Drake can't keep this up, besides he never has been a major fighter, the most he has had in one season is four. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 I belive that I said that the wings should keed Downey. At 38 Drake can't keep this up, besides he never has been a major fighter, the most he has had in one season is four. He's on pace for 82 majors... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 Ellis is 26... the beginning of his career... give me a break... Grigorenko is 24-25 - I have no problem with him but he didn't earn his place on this roster... And Downey is 33. Grigs is in AHL right now to get up to speed, not because he's not good enough. Sammy is a top six forward... only in your wet dreams... We should consider Probert as a top 3 forward based on 1987-1988 season... Sammy good defensively??? Who said this? and is not a soft player like you would like to have us believe. are you serious??? Sammy was 119th in points per game among forwards who played 40 or more games last season. That makes him a top-four offensive forward statistically. He was initially signed as a defensive forward, and has always been a competent defender. In 05-06, he was 134th by the same metric. A top six forward is usually one of the 180 best offensive forwards in the league; top-six forward doesn't mean '30 goal, 70 point forward' as no team has EVER been able to ice two full lines of those guys. So in other words: Since joining the Wings Samuelsson has scored at a rate that places him as a top-six offensive forward, and when combined with the fact he is defensively competent, that makes him a top-six forward in the NHL. Whether you like it or not. Downey offers nothing but fighting, and he's not even that good at that - absolutly true - but we don't have no one else to do that job... that's sad... Last guy we had on the roster who offered nothing but fighting? Stu Grimson. We've won three Cups since he left the team. - here we go again... We had KOCUR, LAPOINTE, SHANAHAN, McCARTY, KONSTANTINOV, ROUSE, WARD, MACOUIN... for 97-98 and 98-99 (2002 we had all star team...) I'm sorry but your posts = Kocur was a solid defender and provided clutch scoring in the playoffs. Lapointe was a consistent 15-20 goal guy who peaked in the high 20s before leaving. Shanahan was a consistent 30-40 goal guy. McCarty was a solid defensive player and contributed offense enough to spend some time in the top 6. Konstantinov was the best defenseman in the world. Rouse, Ward, and Macoun were all solid defensive defensemen who played a grinding physical style. None of those players fits the bill of 'brings fighting but nothing else.' Grimson is the last player we had who did. Oh, and regarding Holland's ability to win Cups...name a GM who has won more Cups than Holland since Holland took over in 97. I'll give you a hint: the answer is NOBODY. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mule39 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 You are right *******... whatever you say... Damn right s***head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted October 7, 2007 Oh, and regarding Holland's ability to win Cups...name a GM who has won more Cups than Holland since Holland took over in 97. I'll give you a hint: the answer is NOBODY.[/font] read the sig (its alot easier to just say that now) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
