12/4 GDT: Red Wings 4, Canadiens 1

[Dabura 12,232]

Its a situation where jumping on a guy's back becomes acceptable

What Dandenault did -- or, perhaps more specifically, the way he did it -- is gutless and never acceptable. I'll probably get a lot of s*** for this saying this, but: it wasn't too far removed from the Bert-Moore takedown. It doesn't matter if some guy's hassling your smallish captain -- you don't take the guy down from behind like that, especially if he's standing still, you're going full-steam, and the guy has absolutely no idea you're about to push him down face-first onto the ice. Like Hank said after the game, "It would have been OK if Samuelsson saw him, that would have been fine, but coming from behind there, injuries can develop from that."

But this is what happens when Colly and Gary don't take a hard stance on the kind of s*** Philly's been pulling this season.

[T.Low 1,011]

My only one complaint is the goal Hasek let in. He had plenty of time to re-establish position to make the save.

Whhaaaaaa....it wouldn't be right complaining about something Hasek (or Osgood) didn't do

Dude, sweet avater .

[Mudvayneowns91 0]

first team to 40 points, that's pretty cool.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

What Dandenault did -- or, perhaps more specifically, the way he did it -- is gutless and never acceptable. I'll probably get a lot of s*** for this saying this, but: it wasn't too far removed from the Bert-Moore takedown. It doesn't matter if some guy's hassling your smallish captain -- you don't take the guy down from behind like that, especially if he's standing still, you're going full-steam, and the guy has absolutely no idea you're about to push him down face-first onto the ice. Like Hank said after the game, "It would have been OK if Samuelsson saw him, that would have been fine, but coming from behind there, injuries can develop from that."

But this is what happens when Colly and Gary don't take a hard stance on the kind of s*** Philly's been pulling this season.

I guess we just view things differently. To me, i see a guy reacting when he sees his captain being shoved around. Im old school....you see that the guy gets it. I stand by what i said, if Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom take your pick is the one getting roughed up and Cleary comes flying in like Superman, the entire board would be in love with it.

[grsbmd 0]

I just don't think he needed to jump on him so violently. Pulling back a guy's shoulder works fine for scrums after a whistle. It should work for two non-fighting skill players.

[Grittzkey 1]

I guess we just view things differently. To me, i see a guy reacting when he sees his captain being shoved around. Im old school....you see that the guy gets it. I stand by what i said, if Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom take your pick is the one getting roughed up and Cleary comes flying in like Superman, the entire board would be in love with it.

I agree,

You dont let anyone mess with your heart and soul of your team. No matter who it is you give them the bussiness..Dandy just made himself look like a ****** in the proces though. should of sucker punched him instead.

I would of loved a Koivu / Sammy fight.. that would be something else..

Edited December 5, 2007 by Grittzkey

[OsGOD 3]

Dandy is a pansy... nothing more can be said and should be said

[Kp-Wings 3]

I kinda with Dandenault wouldnt of been such a wanker and let them fight, i mean cmon it was samuelsson.

I honestly don't think that "fight" was going anywhere. Samuelsson was mostly facewashing Koivu with a few glove punches, while skating away. Maybe he would have dropped the gloves, but it's hard to tell really. Plus, the ref was right in the middle of it anyways.

Koivu might have gotten one of his gloves off, which impresses me. I already have a tremendous amount of respect for the guy, and he looked to show that he was willing to answer the bell, which impresses me even more. He didn't have to, but it looked like he was willing to anyways.

I give credit to Dandenault for sticking up for Koivu like that. You don't let your captain get picked on, and he sorta did the right thing in that situation. I would have been happier if an actual fight would have erupted (or even a *gasp* brawl ) but it really didn't look like it was going to happen regardless. As I said: it's still up in the air if Koivu and Samuelsson would have fought in the initial scrum anyways, because the ref was between both of them, and Samuelsson never made an actual motion to throw his gloves off and really fight.

As for the Lilja and Begin fight: that was probably one of the worst fights I've seen all year. That's not a knock on Lilja either, because Begin really pussed out by grabbing on his legs like that and finishing with a pretty pathetic takedown. What a wimp.

Good for Lilja to answer the bell himself, on that subject. The anti-Downey crowd can deny it, but I'm telling you: he's having a positive effect on this team. His toughness level has rubbed off on everyone else, and hopefully, it stays that way.

...oh, yeah: good game tonight also. Nice to see Hasek win again.

Edited December 5, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[ben_usmc 253]

Dandy did the right thing, besides Sammy probably would have gotten his ass kicked anyway

[Aussie_Wing 354]

What Dandenault did -- or, perhaps more specifically, the way he did it -- is gutless and never acceptable. I'll probably get a lot of s*** for this saying this, but: it wasn't too far removed from the Bert-Moore takedown. It doesn't matter if some guy's hassling your smallish captain -- you don't take the guy down from behind like that, especially if he's standing still, you're going full-steam, and the guy has absolutely no idea you're about to push him down face-first onto the ice. Like Hank said after the game, "It would have been OK if Samuelsson saw him, that would have been fine, but coming from behind there, injuries can develop from that."

But this is what happens when Colly and Gary don't take a hard stance on the kind of s*** Philly's been pulling this season.

You know what, I completely agree. When it first happened I thought to myself, 'Wow, that's pretty bad". Then when I saw the replay it looked even worse, and you're right, it was very similar to the Bertuzzi incident because Dandenault took him down and kind of shoved his head down onto the ice. Extremely dangerous and completely unacceptable. If that was a Wings player I'd be ashamed and that's no lie.

[TRD604 8]

woohoo for datsyuk.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Kronwalls quietly elevating his game. 1G, 3A in his last 4 games. If he stays healthy this year, he'll break 30 points. If he goes on a hot streak, he may even hit 40.

Edited December 5, 2007 by YoungGuns1340

[Dabura 12,232]

Im old school....

Then you should be reproaching Dandenault, not applauding him. His action flies in the face of everything the old school players stood for in terms of an unwritten code, or a value system, or whatever you want to call it. It was totally gutless, it showed a complete lack of respect, and it was extremely dangerous. I don't care if his captain was pushing and shoving with someone -- you don't do that, period.

[SwedeLundin77 460]

Nice to see Lilja drop the gloves on his own and not be forced into it...i expected Begin to jump him at some point and instigate but Lilja was ready and willing, crap fight but nice to see!

Nothing cheap or dirty about what Dandy did imo. When you mess with a small non-fighter and long time captain like Koivu, all bets are off. Its a situation where jumping on a guy's back becomes acceptable, anything that happens is Sammy's doing for deciding to play tough guy against Koivu. If the situation were switched around, and someone was trying to rough up and fight Datsyuk, i dont think anybody would have a problem with a Wing doing the same thing. I didnt see Sammy on the ice at all for the last 2 minutes when he got out of the box, Babcock probably saved him from turtling to somebody.

Dude, no. Seriously... jumping on a guy's back when he is completely unaware and standing still while you are skating full steam at him is completely non-sensical and shows a complete lack of respect and discipline. Koivu was just as much responsible for that scrum as Sammy was - they both were being tough with each other before the fight broke out. Dandenault is just bitter that we decided he wasn't a fit for the team anymore and sent him packing.

It's like Zetterberg said after the game, if the player sees you coming at him like that, that's fine - because he has a chance to protect himself from injury, but when that player blindsides you, no matter how innocent YOU think it is - it could easily result in injury.

You need to think some more before you post garbage like that. Maybe converting to a Flyer fan is something you should take up pal.

[sharomyga 6]

Why Datsyuk didn't get the 1st star? He totally deserved it!!

[swiss_redwingfan 5]

Why Datsyuk didn't get the 1st star? He totally deserved it!!

he got his 1st star at nhl.com:

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?page=ThreeStars...mp;service=page

[hamip1998 3]

First - great game.

Second - like the chippy stuff.

But, to the above poster, if you watch the replay, Sammy dropped his gloves first...

I have no beef with what Dandenault did. Someone SHOULD be helping out their captain. I have a real problem with the way he did it...I don't see this as the same as Bert / Moore, but something Tootoo would have pulled (and to whomever posted earlier, Cleary wouldn't have pulled this s***).

It was reactionary, and understandable, but stupid. You don't blindside someone like that. This is supposed to be ORGANIZED sport, not a bar fight where anything goes.

[VM1138 1,921]

That was such a great game. I only read the last page or so of this thread, but has anyone given Hasek props? I've been a pretty severe critic of his, but he's got his game ba ck. Last game was an improvement, and then last night was even more of one, I think he's back on the right track. The WIngs are in great shape right now.

[Bryguy 103]

Dandy is a ******, thank god sammy didnt get his head shoved in the ice and breaking his kneck. Gutless

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

I guess we just view things differently. To me, i see a guy reacting when he sees his captain being shoved around. Im old school....you see that the guy gets it. I stand by what i said, if Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom take your pick is the one getting roughed up and Cleary comes flying in like Superman, the entire board would be in love with it.

i think im with you on this one....i would love for cleary coming in flying on someone roughing one of our stars up....that would be awesome. im sure the toliet bowl fans loved that last night when dandy did that. i even thought it was pretty cool.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Dandy did the right thing, besides Sammy probably would have gotten his ass kicked anyway

What! You mean Samuelsson didn't impress you in his fight against Morrow last year.

[Grittzkey 1]

That was such a great game. I only read the last page or so of this thread, but has anyone given Hasek props? I've been a pretty severe critic of his, but he's got his game ba ck. Last game was an improvement, and then last night was even more of one, I think he's back on the right track. The WIngs are in great shape right now.

alot of folks gave the dom props.

even i did :ZZZZ

[wingslogo19 281]

Good win for the boys.. Dats is on fire right now. Good to see Lilly drop the gloves again though it wasn't much of a fight.. And it's too bad that Sammy and Koivu didn't fight..... I was really happy about the crowd giving Cheli a standing O that was great to see

[Dabura 12,232]

i think im with you on this one....i would love for cleary coming in flying on someone roughing one of our stars up....

And people wonder why hockey has such a bad reputation.

There's a line. Dandy crossed it. Anyone who supports the way Dandy took out Sammy is a meat head.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

You need to think some more before you post garbage like that. Maybe converting to a Flyer fan is something you should take up pal.

I already do like the Flyers, thanks.