2/10 GDT: Ducks 3, Red Wings 2

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

So Tomas Holmstrom's "interference" (whether or not you think it's real is besides the point) call is what decided the game for the Ducks. Getting up in goalies' grills is what Tomas Holmstrom does. He is known around the league for that. And if goalies keep bitching about it (which I'm sure they do), refs will look very, very closely and scrutinize everything he does. So there's probably a bias against him among refs.

But if you Wings fans are willing to take the many, many goals that he causes rather than this particular one that was disallowed because of him, then there is no reason to complain, at least in my eyes. Or you can keep complaining. There are plenty of other teams that would love to have him.

First, we're not complaining about Homer. We're complaining about the call.

This season he's had several goals disallowed on very questionable calls, especially early in the season. And they usually also result in him getting a 2 minute penalty.

Which begs the question, if this was enough goaltender interference to waive off a goal, why wasn't it a penalty?

What really ticks me off about it is in the very same game Kunitz was able to plow into Ozzy, who had the puck frozen, jarring the puck loose and resulting in an Anaheim goal. Kunitz didn't poke it out with his stick, he just knocked right into Osgood.

That's what makes this marginal call on the Wing's last goal really infuriating.

[BlackhawksFan 4]

This season he's had several goals disallowed on very questionable calls, especially early in the season. And they usually also result in him getting a 2 minute penalty.

Bah, I should be paying more attention to earlier in the season then.

Meh, I guess take the good with the bad. It's unfortunate (for you, not for me ) that the bad ended up in the loss column.

EDIT: Oh, and for the record, I thought that was a pretty s***ty call too. Could have at least been reviewed.

Edited February 11, 2008 by BlackhawksFan

[OsGOD 3]

First, we're not complaining about Homer. We're complaining about the call.

This season he's had several goals disallowed on very questionable calls, especially early in the season. And they usually also result in him getting a 2 minute penalty.

Which begs the question, if this was enough goaltender interference to waive off a goal, why wasn't it a penalty?

What really ticks me off about it is in the very same game Kunitz was able to plow into Ozzy, who had the puck frozen, jarring the puck loose and resulting in an Anaheim goal. Kunitz didn't poke it out with his stick, he just knocked right into Osgood.

That's what makes this marginal call on the Wing's last goal really infuriating.

Yup i think i metioned that in the chat... Funny how we didn't get a penalty for that.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Bah, I should be paying more attention to earlier in the season then.

Meh, I guess take the good with the bad. It's unfortunate (for you, not for me ) that the bad ended up in the loss column.

EDIT: Oh, and for the record, I thought that was a pretty s***ty call too. Could have at least been reviewed.

I don't think you can review something like that. While people are calling for the coach to have the ability to "throw a red flag" as of now that type of call is at the refs discretion *at the time of the play* only.

[wingslogo19 281]

First, we're not complaining about Homer. We're complaining about the call.

This season he's had several goals disallowed on very questionable calls, especially early in the season. And they usually also result in him getting a 2 minute penalty.

Which begs the question, if this was enough goaltender interference to waive off a goal, why wasn't it a penalty?

What really ticks me off about it is in the very same game Kunitz was able to plow into Ozzy, who had the puck frozen, jarring the puck loose and resulting in an Anaheim goal. Kunitz didn't poke it out with his stick, he just knocked right into Osgood.

That's what makes this marginal call on the Wing's last goal really infuriating.

Bang on there Harold

[DRW Dominance 255]

I thought the Homer incident was called OK but yes it should have been a penalty if he interfered with him. There are a few things from this game though.

Hasek is on fire right now (aside from that Sunding goal but he's all about anticipation). Osgood has not been good lately. Ride the hot goalie.

Why did we make Kent F'ing Huskins the new Bobby Orr. WTF was that. The whole team sat and watched as the new Bobby Orr went end to end. I was more angry about that then anything else I saw.

On the positive I didn't notice a whole lot of anything from Anaheim but we are a couple of players away from being where we want to be. We are seriously a one line team right now. Trade Hudler and Sammy and get some people who will be useful to us.

[moocat 1]

Hey look, Chris Rooney has a long history of being a blind idiot.

[Nero 20]

I would like to point out (since there are a lot of people on HFBoards defending the referee with this) that there is no such thing as incidental contact resulting in a goal being waived off but not a penalty being made. The rules read that in every way a goal is to be waived off (because of interference), a penalty is to be assessed. Otherwise, there is no reason for the goal to be waived off. There is no such thing as enough to waive the goal off but not to call a penalty.

The exceptions are of course, goals waived off because they were put into the net illegally (e.g. thrown, kicked).

Edited February 11, 2008 by Nero

[Packer487 3]

Apparently you only read the scoresheet. If you actually watched the game, you wouldn't be saying something so idiotic.

I'm just saying, we scored twice yesterday. How does that invalidate the idea that our second line needs help? I'm not saying we couldn't use more toughness on the blueline, but the idea that anyone clamoring for some secondary scoring needs to eat crow because Franzen knocked one in is asinine. Flip's been invisible for a month. Babcock was scared to play Hudler in the playoffs just a year ago. Sammy sucks. Luckily we'll have Cleary back, but our "Top 6" is more like a top 4. And Zetterberg has back troubles.

Lidstrom went a whole month without being credited with a hit. It might be a nice ideal that he put the guy on his ass, but it's just not going to happen. For all the talk about how we'll get rolled if we don't get some toughness, we gave up one goal yesterday on a play that maybe could've used it (But with Lidstrom, he's just not going to plant the guy).

The bigger problem? We only scored 2. The scoring has been a huge problem as of late, particularly when Hasek's been in net (and I don't mean that in a "let's start a war" way...the numbers are pretty clear cut. Why that is, I have no idea). They've only scored 24 goals in his last 10 starts, and 6 of those came against San Jose. So you're talking 2 goals average over the other 9. I fail to see how that's not an issue.

[puckloo39 5,686]

The bigger problem? We only scored 2. The scoring has been a huge problem as of late, particularly when Hasek's been in net (and I don't mean that in a "let's start a war" way...the numbers are pretty clear cut. Why that is, I have no idea). They've only scored 24 goals in his last 10 starts, and 6 of those came against San Jose. So you're talking 2 goals average over the other 9. I fail to see how that's not an issue.

All you said is true, except this has been a problem all season in their losses. My 'favorite' lack 'o scoring game so far is the 0-3 loss to STL at home -- when the Wings hadn't been shut out at home since Jan 7, 2004. One would have thought that was some motivation, but apparently it was not.

Nearly all of our losses are by one goal (not counting EN losses) and are low scoring aside from "blowout" losses of more than 4 GAA, one apiece for Dom and Ozzie this season. Nearly all the losses are low-scoring affairs, thanks to the efforts of both goaltenders. Some of the wins are low scoring as well, which is more frightening, but makes for some exciting hockey.

It's time for the offense to show up when it counts, I say.

[esteef 2,679]

What really ticks me off about it is in the very same game Kunitz was able to plow into Ozzy, who had the puck frozen, jarring the puck loose and resulting in an Anaheim goal. Kunitz didn't poke it out with his stick, he just knocked right into Osgood.

That's what makes this marginal call on the Wing's last goal really infuriating.

Tru dat. I don't see the puck loose, OR on the end of Kunitz's stick here. (of course, this was shot BEFORE he plowed into Ozzie )

[Kp-Wings 3]

Eric Nystrom.

I'd be in favor of that move.

[Guest Jeremy88]

Here's an idea I thought of.

Coaches should each have a red card and a timeout for each game. If they want to challenge an official's decision, they use their red card. If the coach was right, they keep their red card...if they're wrong they lose their red card. Then if the coach has lost his red card, he can use his timeout to challenge the play, but the coach loses his timeout whether he is right or wrong.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

Hey look, Chris Rooney has a long history of being a blind idiot.

HA! Norrena is now my favorite non-Wing goalie.

[Zion 93]

Nice pic.

Need someone who can put Kunitz down and out after that, or it's going to be a short series.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Tru dat. I don't see the puck loose, OR on the end of Kunitz's stick here. (of course, this was shot BEFORE he plowed into Ozzie )

Kunitz learned his moves from the stellar Captain Neidermayer in the playoffs last season: "how to shove a goalie into the crease with a frozen puck and it's counted as a goal" in one easy lesson.... with help from the refs, of course.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Tru dat. I don't see the puck loose, OR on the end of Kunitz's stick here. (of course, this was shot BEFORE he plowed into Ozzie )

That's a great pic.

Yeah, for some odd reason I always thought it was illegal to use the canopener move on a goalie who has the puck covered.

[Izzy24 44]

I'd be in favor of that move.

Make it happen, Kenny!