cboth686 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Anyone else notice the lack of production from Hudler, Sammy, Franzen, etc? It's brutal, I've watched there last two games, CAL & VAN and our offence looks impotent. I know I know, Lids and Rafalski not being on the point is huge. But I mean c'mon guys! Chip in a few bangers or "ugly" goals. Draper? Maltby? Still alive there guys? I know their specialty is killing penalties, but bang one home! PLEASE! I sure hope Ken makes a move soon here. We really REALLY need to adress our seconday scoring. Yeah, we ARE in the top of the league for goals for, but Datsyuk and Zetterberg look beat, they can't carry an entire teams offence on their shoulders alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Hudler: 0 goals in 17 games Samuelsson: 0 goals in 7 games Filppula: 1 goal in 13 games ...and I know it's not his job to score, but... Maltby hasn't scored a goal in 34 games. He hasn't scored a point in 21 games. His last goal came all the way back on October 26th (!!!) against San Jose, and his last point came on November 27th against Calgary. I know he's been injured a lot this season, and it's not his job to score points anyways, but come on. I generally don't complain about Maltby too much, because he is a good guy who's been loyal to the Wings, but those stats are becoming too glaring not to notice. It's not just him, though. Look at the other three names I posted up there. Hudler hasn't scored a goal in almost two months. Samuelsson continues to be a total waste of a roster spot. Filppula has been an extreme disappointment, since he should not be wasting the opportunities he get's. The thing about these three is that it is their job to score, and when their not, their not doing anything else to help. I don't see any of these guys, minus an occasion where Filppula may be on the PK, being used in defensive roles, so their job is plainly to score, and their not doing so at all. The Wings need a major shakeup. Whether Holland has the guts to pull it off remains to be see. I really hope he does, because this roster will not go anywhere in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Put this thread on hold until Tuesday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Could have told you at the beginning of the season that thngs would end up this way. In fact, I think I did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Yikes, seeing all those staticstics I didn't know it was that bad! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 If we're only scoring one goal over a period of two games, I think every line has problems that need to be resolved. But yes, long term, those guys need to step it up, or leave so we can get Hossa to do their job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 (edited) Also, you have to remember that the Wings' offensive attack begins with their puck-moving defensemen. With Lidstrom, Rafalski, and Kronwall out, Lebda is the Wings' best offensive defenseman -- a guy who has 12 points in 63 games. Not saying secondary scoring isn't an issue; it is. I'm just saying it's not just the forwards that are the problem. Edited February 24, 2008 by ARice89 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 It's fair to say that the experiment of giving nobody's a chance as 2nd liners has been a disaster this season. Thanks to our top line, good goaltending, and solid defense, this team has still been able to succeed, but all the faith people put in those 2nd line chumps has proven to be blind faith. I think some people here predicted Hudler to be a 40 goal scorer at some point in his career, or Franzen to score 30 this year. Plain idiotic if you ask me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 yea, injuries i belive contribute to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cboth686 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 I know! It's brutal! I don't even think they need a Hossa or Sundin per se, but like, two 20+ goal guys...or something like that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Hudler: 0 goals in 17 games Samuelsson: 0 goals in 7 games Filppula: 1 goal in 13 games ...and I know it's not his job to score, but... Maltby hasn't scored a goal in 34 games. He hasn't scored a point in 21 games. His last goal came all the way back on October 26th (!!!) against San Jose, and his last point came on November 27th against Calgary. I know he's been injured a lot this season, and it's not his job to score points anyways, but come on. I generally don't complain about Maltby too much, because he is a good guy who's been loyal to the Wings, but those stats are becoming too glaring not to notice. It's not just him, though. Look at the other three names I posted up there. Hudler hasn't scored a goal in almost two months. Samuelsson continues to be a total waste of a roster spot. Filppula has been an extreme disappointment, since he should not be wasting the opportunities he get's. The thing about these three is that it is their job to score, and when their not, their not doing anything else to help. I don't see any of these guys, minus an occasion where Filppula may be on the PK, being used in defensive roles, so their job is plainly to score, and their not doing so at all. The Wings need a major shakeup. Whether Holland has the guts to pull it off remains to be see. I really hope he does, because this roster will not go anywhere in the playoffs. Still having Maltby is a perfect example of one of my main gripes with Holland, loyalty is good to a certain point....but has gone overboard in the case of Kirk. Im sorry, i bitched when he was signed to that extension and nothing has changed my mind. Under no circumstances did he warrant 3 more years. He is anemic offensively, not nearly the agitator he once was,...and has just plain wore out his stay here. IMO it appears more and more that Kris Draper is starting to follow that same path...if Franzen is supposed to be the new shut down center, then you let Draper go. Its as simple as that...redundancy has become a big problem here. But here we are with him signed for another 3 years as well, and what are the odds Holland would ever deal him? Zero, because of loyalty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstarsingh 23 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 (edited) What the hell is secondary scoring? As a Wings fan I am not too sure of what it is anymore because I have not seen it in so long. When our top guns do not show up, we do not have a chance of winning. A major problem obviously. Edited February 24, 2008 by superstarsingh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cboth686 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 I agree. Especially about the loyalty thing. As cool as it's gonna be to see the grind line re-united, I think Holland has to stop thinking about the past and more about the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Still having Maltby is a perfect example of one of my main gripes with Holland, loyalty is good to a certain point....but has gone overboard in the case of Kirk. Im sorry, i bitched when he was signed to that extension and nothing has changed my mind. Under no circumstances did he warrant 3 more years. He is anemic offensively, not nearly the agitator he once was,...and has just plain wore out his stay here. IMO it appears more and more that Kris Draper is starting to follow that same path...if Franzen is supposed to be the new shut down center, then you let Draper go. Its as simple as that...redundancy has become a big problem here. But here we are with him signed for another 3 years as well, and what are the odds Holland would ever deal him? Zero, because of loyalty. I've said this before and I'm not afraid to admit it, but he gets a free pass from me because he's been here a long time and we've won a few cups with him. I'm not for taking an old animal behind the toolshed and shooting it just because it can't perform the way it used to. If he was anyone else, I'd have wanted him gone years ago, but I don't mind having Maltby on this team. It's not like we don't have other problems to worry about anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yemack 1 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 we never had secondary scoring In my opinion, our D men made it look like we could score with all 4 lines. Without them, even our first line is struggling to score. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 I've said this before and I'm not afraid to admit it, but he gets a free pass from me because he's been here a long time and we've won a few cups with him. I'm not for taking an old animal behind the toolshed and shooting it just because it can't perform the way it used to. If he was anyone else, I'd have wanted him gone years ago, but I don't mind having Maltby on this team. It's not like we don't have other problems to worry about anyway. I guess we just differ on this then. I havent liked Maltby for some time now, so i dont have the attachment like you have. Doesnt mean i dont appreciate what he did in the Cup years, but i just think its been time to move on. Yes, theres other problems that are more pressing, but smaller things like this just add up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drwscc 212 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 I think scoring in general has been MIA. Need to put pucks in nets period if you want to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 I think scoring in general has been MIA. Need to put pucks in nets period if you want to win. Good point. Forget secondary scoring -- scoring, period. Which is perhaps even more troubling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeuxEx 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 I'm disappointed in Hudler. All the time I have watched him he seemed like he had a good scoring touch but lately he has been invisible. Flip hasn't been scoring much aither but he at least gets in there to get chances. And Sammy just turns into a turnover machine in the offensive zone. This team is really missing Dan Cleary right now. I'm still not freaking out though, Flip and Hudler are young players and the team is slumping right now. We know they can play much better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingMachine91 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Fedorov Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 I believe Hudler has looked one of the worst out there since of late He never generates anything and hasnt contributed since the allstar break, maybe even before that I love Huds, but he HAS to step up or I see no use of him. He is a really small guy and if you arent getting ANY points from the guy what reason is there to have him.....Sorry Rex...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 24, 2008 Anyone else notice the lack of production from Hudler, Sammy, Franzen, etc? It's brutal, I've watched there last two games, CAL & VAN and our offence looks impotent. I know I know, Lids and Rafalski not being on the point is huge. But I mean c'mon guys! Chip in a few bangers or "ugly" goals. Draper? Maltby? Still alive there guys? I know their specialty is killing penalties, but bang one home! PLEASE! I sure hope Ken makes a move soon here. We really REALLY need to adress our seconday scoring. Yeah, we ARE in the top of the league for goals for, but Datsyuk and Zetterberg look beat, they can't carry an entire teams offence on their shoulders alone. MIA: our entire defense and scoring in general. It's tough to score when you've only got point-producers on the ice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 24, 2008 I believe Hudler has looked one of the worst out there since of late He never generates anything and hasnt contributed since the allstar break, maybe even before that I love Huds, but he HAS to step up or I see no use of him. He is a really small guy and if you arent getting ANY points from the guy what reason is there to have him.....Sorry Rex...... As such, he's sure to be absolutely worthless as trade bait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 (edited) Fedorov How's he going to score points from the IR? Did Holland invent a time machine for him or something? Edited February 24, 2008 by GMRwings1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingMachine91 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2008 How's he going to score points from the IR? Did Holland invent a time machine for him or something? its always a gamble, but if he can be had for cheap second line scoring power play point shot great 2 way play defensively responsible more options with lines would bring a buzz to the city about the team id say its a pretty good gamble Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
