Why Fedorov wasn't a Wing

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

what a bunch of posers most of you are. before the deadline, it was more in favor of getting feds back, now that he didn't come to detroit everyone is like "oh thank god!" what a joke.

he played two excellent games for washington so far, so whoever is dissing him for his skills needs to get over the whole "sergei left detroit, he stinks now" phase.

move on, he didn't get traded to the wings, worry about the slump not where another player is now.

For what the Wings were supposed to be given up from what everybody has been reading, I'm glad they didn't get Fedorov. It has very little to do with Fedorov himself and more to do with not wanting to give up Flipper and a high draft pick. Maybe Filppula may pan out in Detroit for another 5-6 seasons at least, maybe not. But I think he could be a consistent 20-goal scorer in this league and be a good 2nd liner. Hopefully for Detroit for a good while.

I think everybody has moved on that Fedorov wasn't traded to the Wings.

[thedisappearer 291]

...my only question to ALL is, who would you rather have on the point during the powerplay? Sammy or Fedorov?

At the price of Val AND a 1st rounder... Sammy.

[Guest Crymson]

...my only question to ALL is, who would you rather have on the point during the powerplay? Sammy or Fedorov?

I fail to see the relevance of this question. I'd rather have Ovechkin on the point than anyone, but that's not going to happen.

[eva unit zero 271]

millbury would have pulled the trigger..

Most of Milbury's bad deals were trading away an expensive player he wasn't allowed to resign for a guy who might becoem as good.

He gets slammed for the Palffy trade. But knowing the career performance of Palffy and the guys he was traded for, that was a GOOD deal. Jokinen>>>Palffy easily. Problem is, Jokinen never performed on the Isle, and was considered a bust.

Milbury's problem was that he was i na big market, but working with small-market funds. He never got the free pass that Edmonton , Calgary, and other GMs would get for money-motivated bad deals such as Bill Guerin for Anson Carter, Weight for Reasoner, Hasek for Kozlov, Jagr for Beech, and others.

[Guest Crymson]

Most of Milbury's bad deals were trading away an expensive player he wasn't allowed to resign for a guy who might becoem as good.

He gets slammed for the Palffy trade. But knowing the career performance of Palffy and the guys he was traded for, that was a GOOD deal. Jokinen>>>Palffy easily. Problem is, Jokinen never performed on the Isle, and was considered a bust.

Milbury's problem was that he was i na big market, but working with small-market funds. He never got the free pass that Edmonton , Calgary, and other GMs would get for money-motivated bad deals such as Bill Guerin for Anson Carter, Weight for Reasoner, Hasek for Kozlov, Jagr for Beech, and others.

Milbury made some awful trades.

He traded Luongo for nothing. He traded Bertuzzi for nothing. He traded a 1st-round draft pick (Spezza) and Chara to the Senators for a disgruntled Yashin, then later signed Yashin to a very long-term deal which he was bought out of last year.

Milbury was a terrible GM. His scouting team was wonderful, and he annulled all that they accomplished.

[LeftWinger 5,152]

At the price of Val AND a 1st rounder... Sammy.

...I agree, if you read my earlier post I said I am glad Holland DIDN'T make tht deal and I am tired of teams trying to RAPE the Wings and then accept WAAAAYYYY lesser deals from someone else for the same player. I am now talking general opinion. If, come UFA season, you had to choose to either re-sign Sammy or sign Fedorov, which would you rather do?

...if you are wondering, considering what Columbus got from Washington, the MOST I feel the Wings should have had to offer them would have been Francis Lemieux. All things considered. And if they wanted more from us to trade wihtin the divsion I would have thrown the rights to Grigorenko in there for the hell of it!

...seriously though, this is why we need an arbitration board for these trades. Trades should be fair for everyone, just because the Wings are the elite and the rest of the NHL, well, aren't, doesn't mean a team should be able to rape them...

...like I said, here's to Holland siging Fedorov in July and having BOTH he and Filpulla on the 2nd line and just tearing Columbus up each time they play! Take that salt in yor wound Columbus!!!

[Louisville 112]

Some people can be greedy and ridiculous in a bid. I mean, why not ask for that much when you have no intention of dealing with the Wings any way. There is always that chance the other team will say, "Oh okay." Hell, given the hard ons raging around here for McCarty, some people might think Detroit would be interested in a Dynasty Period Playoff Hero who can actually score a goal, has money in the bank, no drinking addiction problem, no gambling addiction and is in NHL shape. Oh man, can I be nasty or what?

Dude, your sister is hot.

But seriously, it's not a bad move by the Jackets to ask a high price. It's win-win for them no matter what we were going to do.

[thedisappearer 291]

I am now talking general opinion. If, come UFA season, you had to choose to either re-sign Sammy or sign Fedorov, which would you rather do?

...seriously though, this is why we need an arbitration board for these trades. Trades should be fair for everyone, just because the Wings are the elite and the rest of the NHL, well, aren't, doesn't mean a team should be able to rape them...

It's not rape. Rape is against someone's will and forced on them. The offer of Val and a 1st is closer to consentual anal pounding. Kenny didn't want to get reamed so he moved on.

The only people who could think this was "rape" and unfair are the people (like you) who seem to think the NHL is a league of gentleman and everything should be perfectly fair to everyone. It's a competitive league and teams are going to do every damn thing possible to get whatever advantage possible. Why would Columbus want to move Feds to us for a bag of pucks when we play 3 times THIS MONTH? What's the benefit for them?

Speaking of rape... are you one of the people who WANTED us to make a deal, any deal, any old deal at all? That's the mentality that leads to getting rape on a trade.

That said, all things being equal, I would prefer Feds on the point over Sammy. I still wouldn't sign him, though.

[Doggy 130]

Fedorov is amazing. 0pts, -1, 14:56 TOI in a 10-2 victory.

How the HELL did he manage that?? Seriously, the average player couldn't get numbers like that if they tried!!

Yeah, Feds ain't done. He would've really helped our Cup chances.

And FYI, at no stage did I EVER want Fedorov to return to this team. I wouldn't trade a bad smell for him let alone Val and a pick.

I still love him to death. He was a massive part of our three Cups and will always be a part of Red Wings history. But he's just s*** now. Harsh but fair, sad but true.

[eva unit zero 271]

Milbury made some awful trades.

He traded Luongo for nothing. He traded Bertuzzi for nothing. He traded a 1st-round draft pick (Spezza) and Chara to the Senators for a disgruntled Yashin, then later signed Yashin to a very long-term deal which he was bought out of last year.

Milbury was a terrible GM. His scouting team was wonderful, and he annulled all that they accomplished.

Chara was crap for the Isles, as was Bertuzzi. Both players had promise and size, and were regressing and had seemed to plateau as depth players when Milbury traded them. Milbury traded Luongo for Kvasha and Parrish, both of whom would lead the Isles in scoring at some point. Jokinen was horrible for the Isles.

While the Isles made some bad trades, part of that is because many otherwise skilled players performed very poorly for them at various points in their careers. Based on the performance, history, and age of the players in the deals Milbury made, the result is not what one would necessarily expect in many cases.

[DenJ91 0]

Fedorov is amazing. 0pts, -1, 14:56 TOI in a 10-2 victory.

How the HELL did he manage that?? Seriously, the average player couldn't get numbers like that if they tried!!

Yeah, Feds ain't done. He would've really helped our Cup chances.

And FYI, at no stage did I EVER want Fedorov to return to this team. I wouldn't trade a bad smell for him let alone Val and a pick.

I still love him to death. He was a massive part of our three Cups and will always be a part of Red Wings history. But he's just s*** now. Harsh but fair, sad but true.

did you watch the game or are you just pulling the stats? he had 15:00 cause they were up so quick they rolled 4 lines the whole game. he also had a slight injury that caused him to miss a shift. i'll agree him ending up with zero pts bothered me but he just doesn't seem to care, he was smiling more than i've seen him smile in a long time. alex semin only had 1 assist during the game, does that mean he stinks, don't even say he does. the fedorov/semin line was the only line who didn't produce a goal. i believe laich's 2 goals were on the power play. but in anycase fedorov has played so well the first 3 games and the caps have benefitted in a lot of ways including ovechkin and semin's team play experience already. the look so comfortable out there especially semin now. quite honestly i don't feel like going into to this anymore, there are clearly some fedorov haters out there who won't leave him along and bitter and whatever, and they won't change. worry about the wings, the caps are doing just fine now.

[2probert4 8]

I guess we disagree on the term 'significantly'.

To me, a significatly better deal would have been something like Meech and a 2nd round pick. Hell, Meech alone would have been a much better deal. Seriously, Roth was something like the 5th rated d prospect in Washington's system.

It isn't like Fedorov is a gamebreaker any longer. He is old, he would have fit nicely into the Wings lineup. But it isn't like the Jackets would have stamped the Wings ticket to the Finals by dealing Fedorov to them.

Sending Flip, and a 1st to the Jackets for Fedorov is beyond a significantly better deal. It would have been insanely better. Realistically, I think it boiled down to two things.

1. Fedorov and the Wings management still have some bad blood. Whether or not it is just on the Wings management side or not is irrelevant.

2. The Wings didn't want Fedorov that badly.

I was under the impression that Roth was still at Notre Dame....not in the Caps system.

[2probert4 8]

Chara was crap for the Isles, as was Bertuzzi. Both players had promise and size, and were regressing and had seemed to plateau as depth players when Milbury traded them. Milbury traded Luongo for Kvasha and Parrish, both of whom would lead the Isles in scoring at some point. Jokinen was horrible for the Isles.

While the Isles made some bad trades, part of that is because many otherwise skilled players performed very poorly for them at various points in their careers. Based on the performance, history, and age of the players in the deals Milbury made, the result is not what one would necessarily expect in many cases.

Bertuzzi went for Trevor Linden, and Chara was part of the return when the Isles got Yashin. Pretty good for a "crap" player as you say.

[OsGOD 3]

did you watch the game or are you just pulling the stats? he had 15:00 cause they were up so quick they rolled 4 lines the whole game. he also had a slight injury that caused him to miss a shift. i'll agree him ending up with zero pts bothered me but he just doesn't seem to care, he was smiling more than i've seen him smile in a long time. alex semin only had 1 assist during the game, does that mean he stinks, don't even say he does. the fedorov/semin line was the only line who didn't produce a goal. i believe laich's 2 goals were on the power play. but in anycase fedorov has played so well the first 3 games and the caps have benefitted in a lot of ways including ovechkin and semin's team play experience already. the look so comfortable out there especially semin now. quite honestly i don't feel like going into to this anymore, there are clearly some fedorov haters out there who won't leave him along and bitter and whatever, and they won't change. worry about the wings, the caps are doing just fine now.

Was he paird up with semen ... i mean Semin? cause that kid is a constant fantasy team disappointment. I believe semin was also a -1

[WingNutt 12]

I wanted to get Sergei back for a few reasons, mostly second line powerplay, and his clutch playoff performance track record, and I thought he would work great with Pavel, not just because he would be a fellow Russian but their style of play compliments each others. but 1rst round pick and Flip, and take the chance that Feds might not resign with the Wings after that no thanks thats way way way to much for that. With that said we made the right choice. now for the furture if Feds ever wanted or we wanted to get him back to the Wings, He will be coming from another conference so it will be easier.

oh and Miller whats up with that avatar ??? is that your wife in your hockey gear or something??

[ashenhigh 9]

Who cares, lets not rag on Fedorov. He was practically my hero growing up. I wish him the best of luck out there with the terribles in the east.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Who cares, lets not rag on Fedorov. He was practically my hero growing up. I wish him the best of luck out there with the terribles in the east.

I think this was the final nail in the coffin for Feds returning.

Babcock isn't going anywhere and apparently he was a factor in not bringing Fedorov back. So long as Babs is here that isn't going to change, not with Fedorov getting older by the day.

I thank him for all his contributions but I think that's about it. It's done. And thankfully, we can move on. I understand that for some he's one of their favorite players so they'd like to see him back on their favorite team.

But you just have to do the math on this. If he was ever going to come back, this was his best shot.

Babs = no Fedorov

He's almost 40 years old and his play is only declining.

When the off season rolls around Kenny will be focused on finding other players to fill voids and it won't include Fedorov.

It is over. There will be no reconciliation. And that's probably for the best.

Time to finally lay this thing to rest IMO.

[sinbin 3]

Dude, your sister is hot.

But seriously, it's not a bad move by the Jackets to ask a high price. It's win-win for them no matter what we were going to do.

I agree! I think she should be LGW spokesmodel!!! Maybe a "next generation" Farrah Fawcett Poster!...Let's go Girls!!

Back to the topic....... he'll be back!!!!

[LeftWinger 5,152]

I think this was the final nail in the coffin for Feds returning.

Babcock isn't going anywhere and apparently he was a factor in not bringing Fedorov back. So long as Babs is here that isn't going to change, not with Fedorov getting older by the day.

I thank him for all his contributions but I think that's about it. It's done. And thankfully, we can move on. I understand that for some he's one of their favorite players so they'd like to see him back on their favorite team.

But you just have to do the math on this. If he was ever going to come back, this was his best shot.

Babs = no Fedorov

He's almost 40 years old and his play is only declining.

When the off season rolls around Kenny will be focused on finding other players to fill voids and it won't include Fedorov.

It is over. There will be no reconciliation. And that's probably for the best.

Time to finally lay this thing to rest IMO.

...nope, apparently, as the article said, the Wings still wanted to get Fedorov, despite the fact that Babcock MAY have been the one who didn't want him. That is UNTIL Columbus tried to rape Holland, then he said, #$@# Off!

...this will lay to rest IF Fedorov doesn't sign here in July. If he signs elsewhere THEN it'll be laid to rest...

[OsGOD 3]

Its not over yet... feds will be back here next season. I was getting greedy thinking we could use his scoring in the playoffs... I can wait until next season for a cup... how about everyone else?

[imisssergei 0]

I was under the impression that Roth was still at Notre Dame....not in the Caps system.

I'll be honest, I don't know where he is playing, and I don't know much about him. However, for a player to be in a team system, he doesn't have to play for the team minor league affiliate. Rather, he just has to be property of that team, IMO. But the reference to Roth being the 5th best defensive prospect in Washingtons system was made by one of the TSN analysts.

[Doggy 130]

did you watch the game or are you just pulling the stats? he had 15:00 cause they were up so quick they rolled 4 lines the whole game. he also had a slight injury that caused him to miss a shift. i'll agree him ending up with zero pts bothered me but he just doesn't seem to care, he was smiling more than i've seen him smile in a long time. alex semin only had 1 assist during the game, does that mean he stinks, don't even say he does. the fedorov/semin line was the only line who didn't produce a goal. i believe laich's 2 goals were on the power play. but in anycase fedorov has played so well the first 3 games and the caps have benefitted in a lot of ways including ovechkin and semin's team play experience already. the look so comfortable out there especially semin now. quite honestly i don't feel like going into to this anymore, there are clearly some fedorov haters out there who won't leave him along and bitter and whatever, and they won't change. worry about the wings, the caps are doing just fine now.

Granted I haven't seen the match yet. Will probably see it tonight. That's why I never commented on how he played and only on his stats.

Nevertheless I have seen more than enough of Feds over the last few years and he is NOT the same player that I formerly worshipped. It's unfortunate he's had so many injuries, I'm sure they haven't helped his cause.

I just think some of you guys are blinded by your love of him. His impact on our team's chances of winning a Cup would be very minimal.

[DenJ91 0]

everyone keeps saying how he's not the same player he once was, i feel like that deserves the "no s***" award. yzerman wasn't the same player he was his last couple years, gretzky and lemieux weren't the same, it's obvious. why is that even brought up. someone plays for 18-22 years, of course he's gonna progressively get alittle slower, injured alittle more. bottom line is fedorov can still play at a high level and the caps fans and myself are loving him on that team. he brings more to a team than stats.

i'm sick of the fedorov bashing. waaaaaaaaaaaaah he left the red wings. get over it already. i did a long time ago. i follow him wherever he goes. red wings are still my squad though. ask bruins fans if they hate ray bourque for leaving....um, i doubt it. s*** even wayne gretzky played on 4 teams. players don't stick on the same team forever. be glad yzerman was a wing that long because he was about to be shipped off to ottawa i believe.

can't we just be happy that we won the last game, rafalski is back tonight and lidstrom should return on sunday! that's good news all around.

Edited March 5, 2008 by DenJ91

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

everyone keeps saying how he's not the same player he once was, i feel like that deserves the "no s***" award. yzerman wasn't the same player he was his last couple years, gretzky and lemieux weren't the same, it's obvious. why is that even brought up. someone plays for 18-22 years, of course he's gonna progressively get alittle slower, injured alittle more. bottom line is fedorov can still play at a high level and the caps fans and myself are loving him on that team. he brings more to a team than stats.

i'm sick of the fedorov bashing. waaaaaaaaaaaaah he left the red wings. get over it already. i did a long time ago. i follow him wherever he goes. red wings are still my squad though. ask bruins fans if they hate ray bourque for leaving....um, i doubt it. s*** even wayne gretzky played on 4 teams. players don't stick on the same team forever. be glad yzerman was a wing that long because he was about to be shipped off to ottawa i believe.

can't we just be happy that we won the last game, rafalski is back tonight and lidstrom should return on sunday! that's good news all around.

Yeah I still follow Sergei too - because I have interest in him as an ex-wing. I'm not sure all of this is "bashing" I think just pointing out that the deal would have been bad for the Wings - with supposedly what the Jacks wanted. I guess I shouldn't dare point out that Lidstrom is not too far behind Sergei as far as veteran years and age....but true we use it as an "excuse" for not wanting Feds here anymore.

I was the biggest Federov fan there was - I was DEVSTATED when he left (of his own accord). It kind of felt like a bad break-up or divorce. I wanted him wearing the winged wheel until he retired. But like you said, I got over it and moved on. Would have been OK to have him back for the playoff run, but better to move on and not live in the past (like say my hometown Avalanche).

[2probert4 8]

I'll be honest, I don't know where he is playing, and I don't know much about him. However, for a player to be in a team system, he doesn't have to play for the team minor league affiliate. Rather, he just has to be property of that team, IMO. But the reference to Roth being the 5th best defensive prospect in Washingtons system was made by one of the TSN analysts.

When you said TSN, that explains it all, they still act as if the kids in the NCAA hockey system are all subpar to the players in the Canadian Juniors, which for the most part is true. They still snub their noses at American Hockey though.