Luongo

[MPast86 0]

Back in the summer of 2006, how close were we to trading for Roberto Luongo??? Also, what kind fo deal would have had to give up to beat Vancouver's deal of guys like Bertuzzi, Allen, and Auld??

Thanks alot.

[Rice 42]

I made a similar topic a few months ago, here's the link.

I think this is the most we'll ever know about how close the Wings were to getting Luongo:

The Red Wings were prepared to tender goaltender Roberto Luongo a Group II free-agent offer sheet before he was traded from Florida to Vancouver and signed a four-year, $27 million contract with the Canucks.

That's according to the Boston Globe, which is an extremely reliable source. I have no doubt that this is true, unlike most of the rumors that originate in Toronto or Ottawa.

The only thing that surprises me is the reported figure -- a whopping $8.2 million a season. But, whatever the number, the Wings would have found a way to fit it under the salary cap, no question.

[Booster313 138]

It would have been nice to have Luongo on the Wings, but it would be interesting to think how different the team would look if we had taken on his big contract. As it turned out I think it worked out for the better not having him, but we'll never know.

[BeeRYCE 2]

I remember reading in the newspaper that Datsyuk would have been involved in the trade.

[wingslogo19 281]

I would of loved to seen Bobby Lou in a Wings jersey

[scissorfight 0]

if lou was smart he wouldn't have been so fast to sign that deal with vancouver right after the trade. should have just signed with the wings as a UFA that offseason.

[jim3033 1]

Oh man. Wings with Luongo. I don't even want to know that we could have had him. Just block that s*** out.

[SweWings 45]

Oh man. Wings with Luongo. I don't even want to know that we could have had him. Just block that s*** out.

Exactly. Topics like this make me sad.

[kylee 727]

water under the bridge to me.

yes, he's an outstanding goalie, but honestly, and take this for what you will, he hasn't absolutely wowed me yet in his career.

i dont think he's at the point of winning the big games yet.

thats not to say he wont be there soon....

just dunno if it will be with the canuckleheads.

[theman19 47]

it's a pretty well established trend that goalies who need lots of shots (like luongo) don't do very well in motown.

Hasek has adjusted due to his age and experience, but a young goalie like Bobby lou might not do have as well as people would think only facing 13 shots a game.

[Matt 1,049]

it's a pretty well established trend that goalies who need lots of shots (like luongo) don't do very well in motown.

Since when did Luongo gain this rep of needing a high number of shots in order to be effective?

There's a difference between "needing a lot of shots" and not having a choice in the matter (Florida).

Luongo is the top goaltender on the planet, IMO. I still shed a tear in my beer over the Wings not landing him prior to the draft, and I still get a good laugh out of all of the posters here who ranted on about how "he's not a proven goaltender! no playoff experience!"...

[imisssergei 0]

Since when did Luongo gain this rep of needing a high number of shots in order to be effective?

There's a difference between "needing a lot of shots" and not having a choice in the matter (Florida).

Luongo is the top goaltender on the planet, IMO. I still shed a tear in my beer over the Wings not landing him prior to the draft, and I still get a good laugh out of all of the posters here who ranted on about how "he's not a proven goaltender! no playoff experience!"...

I agree. Bobby is the best goaltender in the world. He doesn't need a lot of action to be good. A great example of a goaltender who needs action, Hasek.

All things aside, I would have shipped out just about anyone to get Bobby. If Florida is asking for Pav, a 1st, and 2 top flight prospects, I don't even blink before saying yes.

He is just that good.

[WingsallTheway 383]

on a brighter side, im pretty sure that datsyuk was involved in this deal, so atleast we get to keep him

[imisssergei 0]

on a brighter side, im pretty sure that datsyuk was involved in this deal, so atleast we get to keep him

I'd trade Pav for Bobby any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

That's the kind of difference maker Bobby is.

[OsGOD 3]

Glad he is not on our team.... best pass up ever!

[toby91_ca 620]

The thing is, I'm sure a lot of teams were linked to potential deals for Luongo, the Wings just happen to be one of them.

[imisssergei 0]

Glad he is not on our team.... best pass up ever! [/sarcasm]

Fixed it for you. No need for thanks.

[OsGOD 3]

haha but that didn't need fixing it was quite necessary actually that it remained in its original intent...

We don't need Bobby to win a cup... he needs us to win a cup

[imisssergei 0]

haha but that didn't need fixing it was quite necessary actually that it remained in its original intent...

We don't need Bobby to win a cup... he needs us to win a cup

True the Wings don't need Bobby to win a Cup, but there is no denying that having Bobby on the team would put the Wings in a MUCH better position to win a Cup than any goaltender the Wings have had in the last 50 years.

[OsGOD 3]

True the Wings don't need Bobby to win a Cup, but there is no denying that having Bobby on the team would put the Wings in a MUCH better position to win a Cup than any goaltender the Wings have had in the last 50 years.

can't be in a much better position to win the cup than 97,98 and 02!

All of those NOT involving Bobby.

Ask the Panthers and Canucks how he helps.

[imisssergei 0]

can't be in a much better position to win the cup than 97,98 and 02!

All of those NOT involving Bobby.

Ask the Panthers and Canucks how he helps.

Like I said, the Wings don't need Bobby to win the Cup. But he would put them in better position to do so. Plug Bobby into the roster from 97-present and you could argue that the Wings have a very real chance at winning 5 or 6 in a row.

Hands down the man is better than any tender in the league.

Just for some reference, Bobby averaged about 2000 shots against over his tenure in Florida, while never posting a GAA worse than .915, or a SV% above 3.

Over their tenures with Detroit, here is what Vernon, Osgood, and Hasek have posted.

Vernon never faced more than 782 shots in a season, his best SV% was .903 and best GAA was 2.26.

Osgood has never faced more than 1730 shots, his best SV% was .917 and best GAA was 2.17 (both as backup).

Hasek has never faced more than 1660 shots, his best SV% was .925 and best GAA was 2.05.

But yeah. Bobby probably wouldn't have been able to help those teams win a Cup.

[OsGOD 3]

case and point i was making in my own opinion... we didn't and still down need bobby to be sucessful.... What we need to be successful is constant scoring on a nightly basis.

So yeah, bobby could have probably won those cups for us, but luckily we won them without him just fine.

[Opie 308]

Like I said, the Wings don't need Bobby to win the Cup. But he would put them in better position to do so. Plug Bobby into the roster from 97-present and you could argue that the Wings have a very real chance at winning 5 or 6 in a row.

Hands down the man is better than any tender in the league.

Just for some reference, Bobby averaged about 2000 shots against over his tenure in Florida, while never posting a GAA worse than .915, or a SV% above 3.

Over their tenures with Detroit, here is what Vernon, Osgood, and Hasek have posted.

Vernon never faced more than 782 shots in a season, his best SV% was .903 and best GAA was 2.26.

Osgood has never faced more than 1730 shots, his best SV% was .917 and best GAA was 2.17 (both as backup).

Hasek has never faced more than 1660 shots, his best SV% was .925 and best GAA was 2.05.

But yeah. Bobby probably wouldn't have been able to help those teams win a Cup.

The point is that his help was not needed!!

It is like that whole Blue on Black thing (thanks Kenny Wayne Shepphard). Or a better analogy it is like the empty net goal when you are up by 2 already. Did it technically help, sure but did it really change the outcome, not really!

[eva unit zero 271]

Like I said, the Wings don't need Bobby to win the Cup. But he would put them in better position to do so. Plug Bobby into the roster from 97-present and you could argue that the Wings have a very real chance at winning 5 or 6 in a row.

Hands down the man is better than any tender in the league.

Just for some reference, Bobby averaged about 2000 shots against over his tenure in Florida, while never posting a GAA worse than .915, or a SV% above 3.

Over their tenures with Detroit, here is what Vernon, Osgood, and Hasek have posted.

Vernon never faced more than 782 shots in a season, his best SV% was .903 and best GAA was 2.26.

Osgood has never faced more than 1730 shots, his best SV% was .917 and best GAA was 2.17 (both as backup).

He went 39-6-5 that season and was a Vezina finalist. If he was the backup, he's the only backup in history to have gotten the decision 50 times and also the only one to win 39 games.

Hasek has never faced more than 1660 shots, his best SV% was .925 and best GAA was 2.05.

But yeah. Bobby probably wouldn't have been able to help those teams win a Cup.

Luongo wouldn't have helped those teams win a Cup. Luongo didn't enter the league until 1999-2000, where he had a very average season for a subpar Isles team. The next summer, he was traded to the Panthers.

By comparison, here are the Vezina ranks of the Wings' Cup goalies:

1997, Mike Vernon: no votes.

1998, Chris Osgood: 7th place.

2002, Dominik Hasek: 6th place.

Luongo's first season with Vezina votes was 2003-04.

So Vernon, who had been the backup but got the nod in the playoffs, is the only goalie who wasn't a Vezina contender in his Cup year with Detroit. Luongo was 17 at the start of that season.

Roberto Luongo would have helped us win no more Cups than we did. Had he been the starter, it's quite possible the Wings don't win any of them.

[imisssergei 0]

He went 39-6-5 that season and was a Vezina finalist. If he was the backup, he's the only backup in history to have gotten the decision 50 times and also the only one to win 39 games.

Luongo wouldn't have helped those teams win a Cup. Luongo didn't enter the league until 1999-2000, where he had a very average season for a subpar Isles team. The next summer, he was traded to the Panthers.

By comparison, here are the Vezina ranks of the Wings' Cup goalies:

1997, Mike Vernon: no votes.

1998, Chris Osgood: 7th place.

2002, Dominik Hasek: 6th place.

Luongo's first season with Vezina votes was 2003-04.

So Vernon, who had been the backup but got the nod in the playoffs, is the only goalie who wasn't a Vezina contender in his Cup year with Detroit. Luongo was 17 at the start of that season.

Roberto Luongo would have helped us win no more Cups than we did. Had he been the starter, it's quite possible the Wings don't win any of them.

I misread Osgood's stat line , I thought both the .917 SV% and 2.17 GAA were in 94-95, it was only the SV% that was in 94-95, the GAA was the following year, in which he was a starter. In 94-95 he played in only 19 games.

Also, I wasn't speaking of the Bobby of 97, I'm speaking of Bobby from his Panther days through the present day.