Hasek has sore back. Ozzie to start tomorrow night.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Oh! Well I hope so because otherwise that makes him sounds like such a sissy!

Lilja: I miss my mommy.

Babcock: Don't you know you're fighting for a spot on the roster???

Lilja: Yeah but she smells like cookie dough and tucks me in at night.

Babcock: I don't think you understand! Nobody even likes you!

Lilja: I want my mommy!

You mean the majority of the posters on LGW. Lilja is a damn fine 5-6 defensemen, and I'd take him over Lebda any day of the week.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Oh! Well I hope so because otherwise that makes him sounds like such a sissy!

Lilja: I miss my mommy.

Babcock: Don't you know you're fighting for a spot on the roster???

Lilja: Yeah but she smells like cookie dough and tucks me in at night.

Babcock: I don't think you understand! Nobody even likes you!

Lilja: I want my mommy!

You've obviously never seen PAIN TRAIN fight. That was just a ridiculous post.

Edited March 12, 2008 by GMRwings1983

[HenrikRules40 14]

I was kidding guys. Relax. I like the Pain Train. I like all Red Wings. Ergo, Red Wings fan.

[Booster313 138]

Dom will be fine, he isn't worried about what people will think if he takes a game off and frankly it doesn't matter...all that matters is how healthy he is and how he plays for 16 games beginning in April.

And if he's not, he'll let someone know and Ozzie will step in...and be fine.

Edited March 12, 2008 by Booster313

[puckloo39 5,686]

Dom will be fine, he isn't worried about what people will think if he takes a game off and frankly it doesn't matter...all that matters is how healthy he is and how he plays for 16 games beginning in April.

And if he's not, he'll let someone know and Ozzie will step in...and be fine.

Oh, stop making sense and acting like Dom is a team player and a professional!

You're right about all of it, of course.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Hasek has played fewer than 50% all season. He has been outplayed by his partner. Why again should he get more games now?

Because the head coach of the Red Wings said he would be getting more games.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Give me a break already. I had a very little confidence that Hasek could endure playoff rigor before and now I have zero.

Overreact much?

[VM1138 1,921]

Hasek has played fewer than 50% all season. He has been outplayed by his partner. Why again should he get more games now?

I say after what, two more wins, the Wings just forfeit all but the last 4 games of the season, just to recover.

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

Hasek has played fewer than 50% all season. He has been outplayed by his partner. Why again should he get more games now?

If Hasek had been badly outplayed by his backup - Babcock wouldn't leave him as the #1 goalie. Love him or *dislike* him Hasek give the Wings the best chance to win in the playoffs. He can rest a few games now if need be. We're lucky to have a solid backup goalie just in case. Of course it's a concern at his age whether he can withstand a long playoff run - but I would venture to guess it might be his last so he'll give it his all.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Hasek has played fewer than 50% all season. He has been outplayed by his partner. Why again should he get more games now?

Biased much???

Ozzie: GP 36, W/L/OL = 24/8/3 GA = 70 SO = 4 GAA = 2.07 sv% .917

Dominik: GP 34 W/L/OL = 22/8/3 GA 70 SO = 4 GAA = 2.09 sv% .904

If Dom had played last night with the same result, he would have been virtually tied with Osgood, especially in all that matters, and that's the WIN. But somehow his numbers indicate he's been "outplayed". Interesting, sort of... I guess.

What really matters is not how you get there, but where you end up.

[Booster313 138]

Biased much???

Ozzie: GP 36, W/L/OL = 24/8/3 GA = 70 SO = 4 GAA = 2.07 sv% .917

Dominik: GP 34 W/L/OL = 22/8/3 GA 70 SO = 4 GAA = 2.09 sv% .904

If Dom had played last night with the same result, he would have been virtually tied with Osgood, especially in all that matters, and that's the WIN. But somehow his numbers indicate he's been "outplayed". Interesting, sort of... I guess.

What really matters is not how you get there, but where you end up.

I was equally surprised on the statement by Eva considering almost everything Eva says is logical.

[Booster313 138]

If Hasek had been badly outplayed by his backup - Babcock wouldn't leave him as the #1 goalie. Love him or *dislike* him Hasek give the Wings the best chance to win in the playoffs. He can rest a few games now if need be. We're lucky to have a solid backup goalie just in case. Of course it's a concern at his age whether he can withstand a long playoff run - but I would venture to guess it might be his last so he'll give it his all.

I am a Hasek fan, and I think he's one of the greatest to ever play the game, still one of the top 5 goalies in the league, but based on their performances this year and the Wings D, I would be comfortable with either goalie starting for us. However the fan in me still prefers and gives the edge to Dom. I love watching him rob someone with his unorthodox style! Nothing greater!!! Lets go get another cup this year! I can't wait for the playoffs to start.

Edited March 13, 2008 by Booster313

[puckloo39 5,686]

I was equally surprised on the statement by Eva considering almost everything Eva says is logical.

Logic and emotion don't mix, boost. If one is determined to find fault and negativity, facts don't matter.

It's all good. I agree with you that either goalie would be fine (or both) in the playoffs. The team will determine the wins - along with the refs

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Personally I'd prefer steel undentable walls in net.

But since that isn't legal, can't really complain about having Hasek and/or Osgood as alternatives, or Hasgood, or Ossek, or um................., uh.............

I give up.

*shrugs*

[Booster313 138]

Personally I'd prefer steel undentable walls in net.

But since that isn't legal, can't really complain about having Hasek and/or Osgood as alternatives, or Hasgood, or Ossek, or um................., uh.............

I give up.

*shrugs*

I don't know if those walls would be able to roll fast enough to make the save on the rebound after flopping across the net?!

[eva unit zero 271]

Biased much???

Ozzie: GP 36, W/L/OL = 24/8/3 GA = 70 SO = 4 GAA = 2.07 sv% .917

Dominik: GP 34 W/L/OL = 22/8/3 GA 70 SO = 4 GAA = 2.09 sv% .904

If Dom had played last night with the same result, he would have been virtually tied with Osgood, especially in all that matters, and that's the WIN. But somehow his numbers indicate he's been "outplayed". Interesting, sort of... I guess.

What really matters is not how you get there, but where you end up.

They have virtually identical numbers in most categories. They have both allowed 70 goals and have 4 shutouts in about the same minutes. But Osgood has faced CONSIDERABLY more shots than Hasek has. 114 shots, or almost four per game, all saves. To break it down on a per game basis;

Osgood allows 2.07 goals on 24.8 shots per 60 minutes. Hasek allows 2.09 goals on 21.7 shots per 60 minutes.

In simple terms; Osgood has allowed fewer goals per game despite seeing more shots.

Is that not a textbook example of one goalie outplaying the other?

And since you postulated it, here's what the numbers would look like had it been Dom stopping 19 of 20 against the Hawks:

Ozzie 23-8-3, 2.10 GAA, .916%, 4 SO

Hasek 23-8-3, 2.06 GAA, .905%, 4 SO

Those numbers are not significantly different from what they currently have. And they still show Osgood as having outplayed Dom by a considerable margin.

[Booster313 138]

They have virtually identical numbers in most categories. They have both allowed 70 goals and have 4 shutouts in about the same minutes. But Osgood has faced CONSIDERABLY more shots than Hasek has. 114 shots, or almost four per game, all saves. To break it down on a per game basis;

Osgood allows 2.07 goals on 24.8 shots per 60 minutes. Hasek allows 2.09 goals on 21.7 shots per 60 minutes.

In simple terms; Osgood has allowed fewer goals per game despite seeing more shots.

Is that not a textbook example of one goalie outplaying the other?

And since you postulated it, here's what the numbers would look like had it been Dom stopping 19 of 20 against the Hawks:

Ozzie 23-8-3, 2.10 GAA, .916%, 4 SO

Hasek 23-8-3, 2.06 GAA, .905%, 4 SO

Those numbers are not significantly different from what they currently have. And they still show Osgood as having outplayed Dom by a considerable margin.

I think most people would call that a virtual tie or maybe give Ozzie a slight edge, I don't think most people would say one "clearly outplayed" the other. But the stats are the stats, you are entitled to interperate them however you like.

Edited March 13, 2008 by Booster313

[eva unit zero 271]

I think most people would call that a virtual tie or maybe give Ozzie a slight edge, I don't think most people would say one "clearly outplayed" the other. But the stats are the stats, you are entitled to interperate them however you like.

Ok, you tell me...

Who has been better this season, Roberto Luongo, or Evgeni Nabokov?

Why would you pick that guy over the other?

[puckloo39 5,686]

I think most people would call that a virtual tie or maybe give Ozzie a slight edge, I don't think most people would say one "clearly outplayed" the other. But the stats are the stats, you are entitled to interperate them however you like.

"Dammit, if Hasek had just had a .013 higher sv%, we would have won a Cup." That's not a conversation I would expect to hear. If the discussion is about who should be starting in goal in the playoffs based on this evidence, I am afraid such logic is lost on me. Oz and Dom are basically tied in all that is important. Wins.

So what if Ozzie faced more shots? Who says they were all more difficult than the fewer shots Dom stopped, or vice versa? Numbers don't tell the whole tale, ever. Apologies to eva, I know you love stats.

Tweaking numbers dismisses other factors which are less tangible, but just as important when the puck is dropped in a real game. Everybody has favorite players and we are all entitled to be biased -- it's part of the game. But when it's this close, it is comical to see how far some will go to *prove* the guy they don't like sucks.

Especially when neither of them actually do.

[OsGOD 3]

Why thank you!

Jen and I gladly share that title.

I should get the bronze or if you two share the title as Co-Golds... i think i deserve the silver

[Yemack 1]

Overreact much?

I don't know where is the overreaction other than your comment. Isn't this his third time getting injured this season? How are you sure that he will be 100% during playoff battles? It is going to be 1 goal games during playoffs and he will have to be excellent and sharp every single game. If he isn't going to be 100% then there is no sense of getting dom ready for the playoff IMO.

Begining of the season, I was the one who supported Babcock to go with Hasek in playoff but If Hasek can't keep himself healthy, then Red Wings gotta consider going with plan B.

[GiantRobot 0]

Ok, you tell me...

Who has been better this season, Roberto Luongo, or Evgeni Nabokov?

Why would you pick that guy over the other?

Luongo has been better and the reason is, he is on a worse team than Nabby, yet has fairly comparable if not better numbers.

Luongo's faced about 1000 more shots, given up 13 less goals, pitched 6 shutouts to match Nabby, has a higher sv%, all on a crappier team. He' even more effective in the shootout, allowing the same numbers of goals against on about 20 more shots against than Nabby has.

Then again, Nabby has 40 of the sharks 41 wins, while Roberto has 31 of VC's 35. Also, a beter GAA...still, Id take Luongo.

Thats just me though

[gcom007 1,465]

Time will tell...it seems the last couple times he had little "day off" hip flexors they turned into significantly longer ordeals. He'll start in the playoffs, but love him or hate him, you've gotta admit injuries are a concern. Hell, this isn't new...hello? 2004 anyone? Ottawa disaster anyone?

Yeah, he's picked up his play. Definitely. If he stays healthy, he'll most likely be alright in the playoffs if he can keep it consistent and help us protect leads. But you're just lying to yourself if you don't find a potential injury to be of relevant concern. He's old and he's been taped together for years now. This shouldn't be surprising to anyone nor should it be minimized. Doesn't mean everyone runs and freaks out, but again, come on, be objective at least about this...it doesn't make anyone less of a fan...promise...

Edited March 13, 2008 by gcom007

[RedFX 48]

According to AHL.com, Howard just got recalled. Perhaps this could last a bit longer than just one start.

[Packer487 3]

Oh Esa, Esa, Esa...we're getting into the whole "He's been better for the WHOLE SEASON because his stats for the whole season say so" argument again?

October:

Osgood: 6-0-0, 1.50 GAA, .931

Dom: 4-2-1, 2.68 GAA, .877

November:

Osgood: 6-1-1, 1.97, .920

Dom: 1-3-0, 3.35, .836

December:

Osgood: 5-1-0, 1.67, .941

Dom: 7-1-1, 1.64, .922

January:

Osgood: 4-1-1, 2.35, .913

Dom: 5-1-0, 1.51, .934

February:

Osgood: 2-5-1, 2.99, .873

Dom: 2-1-1, 1.99, .909

March:

Osgood: 1-0-0, 1.00, .950

Dom: 3-0-0, 2.00, .909

Hasek's gone 3 1/2 months (and the LAST 3 1/2 months to boot) giving up less than 1.75 goals per game, stopping 92%+ of his shots, and losing a whole 3 starts in regulation (and 5 overall). But certain people still seem to think that what he did in Mid-November actually matters. Whatever.

This is kind of interesting...against teams currently in the playoffs:

Hasek: 14-3-0, 1.69 GAA, .919 save percentage, 4 shutouts...29 goals on 360 shots

Osgood: 9-2-1, 1.83 GAA, .919 save percentage, 1 shutout...22 goals on 273 shots

Sparkling numbers out of both of them to be sure (I'd take either one in the post-season), but maybe when we're comparing them (and talking about how many more shots Osgood has faced), we should take it into account that more than half of Dom's starts (17 out of 33 or 52%) and almost half of his shots faced (49.6%) have come against playoff teams while Osgood has started against playoff teams just 34.2% (12 out of 35) of the time and those teams account for just 32.5% of the shots he's faced.

Yup, Dom sucked against Chicago and didn't do so hot against St. Louis this year. But guess what? Barring a huge comeback, we're not going to have to deal with either of those teams when we start playing for keeps.

Hasek's better. He always has been and he always will be. Deal with it.

Edited March 13, 2008 by Packer487