skacore 2 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 Mac finds a way to get from point A to point B, has a nose for the net and a minor scoring touch... he's fought for years and he's still better than 80% of the guys in the league and knows how to enforce properly. He's only going to improve from last year as he gets in better shape, and he managed 3 points in 20 games, and was +3, not too bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 Do people realize how hard it is to play at top levels in hockey? Even if you have played before, it takes some time to get conditioned properly and to get your groove back. This is something DMac was short on last season, but we used him because he proved to be one of the top leaders on this team and a great vocal motivator on and off the ice. The guy has been through a ton of s***, which only makes him even more inspirational to those around him. He brings that and that is something that helped us in the tough games during the playoffs. With an off-seaon mostly filled with conditioning and hard work, he'll get back into prime game-shape, get his timing back, and get back into a groove that works for him. The guy, compared to Downey, is a better hockey player, and he can and will fight. We're not looking for a pure fighter and seriously guys, Downey is awesome, but he does not strike any fear into the oppositions tough guys, none at all. I like Downey and I hope we sign him to a two-way, but as far as the 12th/13th forward goes, I really believe that McCarty is our best option for the money and meaning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 Why can't we have both on 2 way contracts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeG2008 0 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 ...ugh! Why do you all have McCarty man love? Get over him, he's washed up, he's done, he's useless! Get over the cinderella story for pete's sake! It's not like he was any help at all in gettign us the Cup! Aaron Downey is by far the better person to fill the 13th forward position, he proved that last year and got snubbed in the playoffs. Luckily he played enough regular season games to get his on the Cup and what about McCarty? He comes in, plays a few games in the regular season, gives away a lot of pucks in the playoffs, ices it when he's not giving it away, then gets HIS name on the Cup! For What? Dude, sign McCarty to the Rapids contract, Downey is the far better player and fighter right now... Shut the f*** up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeG2008 0 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 (edited) okay now i mean this being as respectful to the guy as possible but... how much drugs, booze, and bankruptcy did it take to actually make you FORGET how to skate??? i mean .... has anyone else noticed this??? he skates with his weight on his heels like hes used to roller blades... they taught me in mini mite hockey not to skate like your "tossing hay" ... and he swings his stick left and right skating as if he was farmer jack him self. Not to mention he literally would skate in to sticks and feet (including his own) and fall down imediately..before mac left he knew how to skate.. infact in his prime he was really good... so... how much drugs did he take? get off the f***in forums if you are gonna knock a true Wing like darren. I'd love to see your f***in lazy ass do anything close to what that man did. Seriously, shut the f*** up. He made an impact on this team. I hope some day you lose everything, then try to come back. I hope some punk ass kid says the same thing about your stupid f***in ass. Edited July 4, 2008 by MikeG2008 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeG2008 0 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 Fighting ability = zero contribution to the team. This isn't mutant league hockey (sega genesis reference) where the loser of the fight gets an extra penalty. It's irrelevant besides the sake of entertainment purposes. I'll take the better hockey player over the better fighter, regardless if they are both trying to fill the enforcer position. Another f***in idiot on this forum. Have you ever played in the NHL? Do you know the impact of fighting in a hockey game? No, you dont know s***. BlazeYoungblood = ******* idiot. Learn hockey dips***! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P. Marlowe 748 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 This is starting to sound like hip hop. Apparantly we are going to carry 8 dmen, so there are only 13 forward spots. To me thats just retarded. Holland says in that interview he cant have all the "key ingredients"...well maybe if you got rid of some uneeded ingredients (like a dman) then you could have everything. I believe Holland more likely wants to keep as many of those defensemen as possible. If you can have one of Helm, McCarty and Downey as the 13th forward and the other two in the minors it'll work and doesn't sound bad at all to me. Helm got a roster spot because Kopecky was injured. When Kopecky comes back he'll most likely take his spot back. It'll be better for Helm to play in top two lines in AHL in Grand Rapids than sit in the press box in NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 Downey- 0 goals and 3 assists in 56 games, and even 0 +/-. McCarty- 0 goals and 1 assist in 3 games, plus 2 +/-. That would but Downey on pace for 4.5 points a season if he played all 82 games. McCarty by contrast would be on pace for 27 points. McCarty>Downey I don't agree - do you really expect from one of them to score some goals??? We need some protection for our star players and I'm not sure that anyone is afraid of McCarty... I'm not saying that someone is in NHL is afraid of Downey either, but Aaron is stronger when it comes to fightin righ NOW. 10 years ago it was different story... When you have first 3 lines like the Wings have you don't need/expect your 4th line to score - you need grinders with fighting abilities... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 okay now i mean this being as respectful to the guy as possible but... how much drugs, booze, and bankruptcy did it take to actually make you FORGET how to skate??? i mean .... has anyone else noticed this??? he skates with his weight on his heels like hes used to roller blades... they taught me in mini mite hockey not to skate like your "tossing hay" ... and he swings his stick left and right skating as if he was farmer jack him self. Not to mention he literally would skate in to sticks and feet (including his own) and fall down imediately..before mac left he knew how to skate.. infact in his prime he was really good... so... how much drugs did he take? If this is the case, then why did coaches pick McCarty over Downey in the playoffs? And for the record, I have nothing against Downey whatsoever, just showing that coaches might think that McCarty had or has more to give than Downey, and that the Downey man-love in here gets a little overboard sometimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 Shut the f*** up get off the f***in forums if you are gonna knock a true Wing like darren. I'd love to see your f***in lazy ass do anything close to what that man did. Seriously, shut the f*** up. He made an impact on this team. I hope some day you lose everything, then try to come back. I hope some punk ass kid says the same thing about your stupid f***in ass. Another f***in idiot on this forum. Have you ever played in the NHL? Do you know the impact of fighting in a hockey game? No, you dont know s***. BlazeYoungblood = ******* idiot. Learn hockey dips***! You should swear more. It makes you look intelligent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 If this is the case, then why did coaches pick McCarty over Downey in the playoffs? And for the record, I have nothing against Downey whatsoever, just showing that coaches might think that McCarty had or has more to give than Downey, and that the Downey man-love in here gets a little overboard sometimes. What is it with this thread? People calling each other idiots, a guy crticiszing Holland's decision to carry too many defensemen and another guy that wants to project Downey and Mac's scoring of 1 or 2 goals over an entire season. 1. Stop with the name calling. This is the internet for God's sake, nobody is going to cry over being called names by somebody setting at home typing. 2. Holland knows a hell of a lot more about this than you. If not, read up on the Hossa contract. 3. You can't project 1 or 2 goals over a season. Statistics and Probability 101. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 I'm really not sure what to think of this . i love D Mac he's been a great servant to the Wings . on the one hand i say bring him back for at least one more year cause he'd still do a job for us as a roster player and on the other hand i say no cause we gotta bleed some of the youth into the team with the likes of Abdelkader and Helm most likely to be there or there abouts next year and even more to come in the next couple of season's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 the Downey man-love in here gets a little overboard sometimes. But hes the greatest human being ever to walk the planet...and damn sexy to boot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 If this is the case, then why did coaches pick McCarty over Downey in the playoffs? And for the record, I have nothing against Downey whatsoever, just showing that coaches might think that McCarty had or has more to give than Downey, and that the Downey man-love in here gets a little overboard sometimes. exactly . there was a reason for this . D Mac is getting getting nearer to the end of his career but still even so with his talent and toughness waining he's still better than Downey . don't get me wrong i like Downey he gives the team a physical presence that we've been lacking for a long time but when it comes to actually playing the game his contrabution is low . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LIDDYGIBBY5 1 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 Too true... For those interested, Downey has been offered a two-way deal. Same as McCarty. Link Apparantly we are going to carry 8 dmen, so there are only 13 forward spots. To me thats just retarded. Holland says in that interview he cant have all the "key ingredients"...well maybe if you got rid of some uneeded ingredients (like a dman) then you could have everything. I think that is a sign that Meech will be around next season. He can play both forward and D so I guess in essence, they will carry 8 d and 14 forwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,132 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 ...anyone know what happened to Fedorov? If anything? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LivingtheDream Report post Posted July 4, 2008 Mac finds a way to get from point A to point B, has a nose for the net and a minor scoring touch... he's fought for years and he's still better than 80% of the guys in the league and knows how to enforce properly. He's only going to improve from last year as he gets in better shape, and he managed 3 points in 20 games, and was +3, not too bad. My theme here is LET GO OF THE FRICKING PAST PEOPLE. DMac was a legend, a hero, but those days are LOOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG gone. He really didn't do much out there in the playoffs and most of the time looked like a liability with his slowness. I know he needs a job to pay off his debts, but that's not my problem (as a fan of the game). Are we sure he is spending the summer working on his conditioning or is he at a casino or bar celebrating the Cup or trying to get his rock band back together? Never trust a gambler or a drunk or a drug addict. If they are all three... well there you go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 My theme here is LET GO OF THE FRICKING PAST PEOPLE. DMac was a legend, a hero, but those days are LOOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG gone. He really didn't do much out there in the playoffs and most of the time looked like a liability with his slowness. I know he needs a job to pay off his debts, but that's not my problem (as a fan of the game). Are we sure he is spending the summer working on his conditioning or is he at a casino or bar celebrating the Cup or trying to get his rock band back together? Never trust a gambler or a drunk or a drug addict. If they are all three... well there you go. If what you say in your last statement is true, how come McCarty was trusted to play more often than not in the playoffs, given the roster at the time and injuries and the like. And how come he was preferred over Downey in the playoffs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P. Marlowe 748 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 My theme here is LET GO OF THE FRICKING PAST PEOPLE. DMac was a legend, a hero, but those days are LOOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG gone. He really didn't do much out there in the playoffs and most of the time looked like a liability with his slowness. I know he needs a job to pay off his debts, but that's not my problem (as a fan of the game). Are we sure he is spending the summer working on his conditioning or is he at a casino or bar celebrating the Cup or trying to get his rock band back together? Never trust a gambler or a drunk or a drug addict. If they are all three... well there you go. That's a very stupid cliché. Holland knows McCarty better so his decision with this is propably the best one. The training camp will most likely answer many questions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted July 4, 2008 My theme here is LET GO OF THE FRICKING PAST PEOPLE. DMac was a legend, a hero, but those days are LOOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG gone. He really didn't do much out there in the playoffs and most of the time looked like a liability with his slowness. I know he needs a job to pay off his debts, but that's not my problem (as a fan of the game). Are we sure he is spending the summer working on his conditioning or is he at a casino or bar celebrating the Cup or trying to get his rock band back together? Never trust a gambler or a drunk or a drug addict. If they are all three... well there you go. I agree with almost everything you said, but the wings fan in me wants him to get out of debt. He showed a willingness to crash the net which was vital for Helm and Hudler's game. The thing I have to disagree with you is calling Mccarty a drug addict. While I wouldnt put Darren past it, is there any proof that he was formerly addicted to anything. I have never heard of anything and if your proof is he smoked a blunt after a grinder concert or something well thats not a big deal. Kenny Holland and Mike Illitch are two very smart men, and if they thought Mccarty's habbits would hurt the team, they would not have brought him back. Also people can change. My Uncle was a former Oxycotton abuser, and I can pretty much Guarntee now taht he has his life toghtehr, he makes more money than you, has a hotter wife, and is in better shape. If what you say in your last statement is true, how come McCarty was trusted to play more often than not in the playoffs, given the roster at the time and injuries and the like. And how come he was preferred over Downey in the playoffs? Cause Downey sucks? Being better than Downey skill wise isnt saying much. Sorry to burst people's bubbles but due to the instigator rule, Enforcers are kinda useless unless you have a pest. And before some dumbs*** brings up "BUT DOWNEY BEAT UP THE AVALANCHE GUY!!!" answer me this. Did Downey beating up Lapeirre have any affect on Lidstrom's injury at all? Did it make him heal faster? Was Lidstrom so inspired by Downeys dedication to fisticuffs that he tried extra hard to make the injury go away? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsfan1988 0 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 Fighting ability = zero contribution to the team. This isn't mutant league hockey (sega genesis reference) where the loser of the fight gets an extra penalty. It's irrelevant besides the sake of entertainment purposes. I'll take the better hockey player over the better fighter, regardless if they are both trying to fill the enforcer position. *** Sega Genesis Reference noted and points assigned*** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsfan1988 0 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 My two cents..not that anyone cares... Downey is rubbish, a curtain jerker at best. D-Mac has scored huge goals and has been a big part of the success that the Wings have had over the past decade...but he has seen his better days. I would like to see D-Mac get a deal and stay on the roster, even if he is a healthy scratch most nights. He brings something to the team that Downey could never match. Plus--- He needs the ching, he could have car washes in that small parking lot in front of the Joe before games, I would pay $10.00 for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 Do you think it really matters who is the better fighter? As long as McCarty throws down and gets a few shots in after his history with the wings it would give the same kind of emotional boost to the bench as downey pummeling someone. Yes, it does. It wouldn't have been the same had McCarty gone after Laperierre after his hit on Lidstrom, and ended up getting his ass handed to him (I'm not saying that's what would've happened). Whereas Lappy turtled as Downey put the beat down on him. If fighting is part of their role, and it definitely is, then it matters who is better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakChamber 8 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 Fighting ability = zero contribution to the team. This isn't mutant league hockey (sega genesis reference) where the loser of the fight gets an extra penalty. It's irrelevant besides the sake of entertainment purposes. I'll take the better hockey player over the better fighter, regardless if they are both trying to fill the enforcer position. Good reference, but I would have gone with Blades of Steel Another f***in idiot on this forum. Have you ever played in the NHL? Do you know the impact of fighting in a hockey game? No, you dont know s***. BlazeYoungblood = ******* idiot. Learn hockey dips***! get off the f***in forums if you are gonna knock a true Wing like darren. I'd love to see your f***in lazy ass do anything close to what that man did. Seriously, shut the f*** up. He made an impact on this team. I hope some day you lose everything, then try to come back. I hope some punk ass kid says the same thing about your stupid f***in ass. Shut the f*** up Play nice or don't play at all. Fair warning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 (edited) Cause Downey sucks? Being better than Downey skill wise isnt saying much. Sorry to burst people's bubbles but due to the instigator rule, Enforcers are kinda useless unless you have a pest. And before some dumbs*** brings up "BUT DOWNEY BEAT UP THE AVALANCHE GUY!!!" answer me this. Did Downey beating up Lapeirre have any affect on Lidstrom's injury at all? Did it make him heal faster? Was Lidstrom so inspired by Downeys dedication to fisticuffs that he tried extra hard to make the injury go away? I guess I'm that dumbs***. It is relevant. No it didn't make the injury go away, but it absolutely meant something to the team. Their captain just got rocked, and someone made him pay for it. Can you really not see that? Does no one remember the Wings players themselves saying how it makes a difference when someone has your back out there? Like when Mac put the beat down on Lemeiux. Did it help the injury? was it a deterrent? no. But it absolutely brought that team together. Fights like that one are not a deterrent, but they absolutely affect team chemistry. (pay special note in the video clip to all the Wings players standing and banging their sticks against the board). Edited July 4, 2008 by haroldsnepsts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
