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#1 timothy1997

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 08:11 PM

http://sports.yahoo....K...p&type=lgns

WOW!! #4 has asked to be let go from the Pack, virtually saying that he wants to play somewhere else. I cant even imagine seeing #4 play for Chicago or Minnesota going against GB. Wonder what NFM#25 and other Pack fans in here think about this.

Can you imagine if #4 came to Detroit?!?!?! yowza.gif

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 08:42 PM

I think it's rediculous of him to pull this. he's trying to put the Packers in a tough position. He's played this game for several years about retiring and now wants to play with another team.

alot of people don't know this: after he retired in early march he called up the Packers and said he wanted to un-retire and come back, this was in late March, the Packers said OK and actually chartered a jet to go down to MS to announce this. 2 days later he called them back up and said he didn't want to come back, so everything got cancelled. The packers drafted 2 furture back up QB's in April and now this???

story here:

http://msn.foxsports...335678?MSNHPHMA

I think for people to hate on the packers and GM Ted Thompson for this is all wrong. He's been a real drama queen about all this and this is pretty gutless of him IMO. There are the usual conspiracy theories about TT and the Packers don't want him back but they clearly were ready to accept him back after he retired in early March only for him to change his mind --again.

and for him to ask for a release-- that's the worst thing the Packers could do as they'd get no value for him in a trade, he'd be free to sign with any team (Minn and Chi need QB's) and some fans would twist it as the Packers fault.

I've been a Packers fan my whole life but no player, and I mean no player, is bigger than the team, including Brett Lorenzo Favre. We've had alot of great HOF's play for us, we've won 12 Championships. If some fans want to blame the Packers organization on this I say: Don't hurt yourself falling off the bandwagon. smile.gif

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 09:02 PM

Favre is really reaching attention ***** territory.
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Posted 11 July 2008 - 11:08 PM

This is exactly why I called him a "goof".


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Posted 12 July 2008 - 12:07 AM

I know the Pack fans would love to have Favre back, but if I was Aaron Rodgers and Favre was coming back for another year, I would try to get traded or released. In hindsight, he probably should have pulled an Eli Manning and told the Packers he would sit out a year if they drafted him.

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 12:25 AM

According to Steve Mariucci, Favre has made it pretty clear that his first choice is to play for the Packers. If the option is play for someone else or don't play at all, he'd choose to play for someone else.

It's not as if the Packers really want him back and he's asking to be released.

I was 100% convinced that Thompson was in the wrong on this one until I read Glaser's report about him unretiring and then retiring again in March. Now I better understand why Green Bay has reacted the way that they have.

I don't blame Favre for wanting to come back and play football if he thinks he still can. I don't blame the Packers (entirely) for wanting to move on. It's just sad that it has come to this.

My problem is that the window is open right now for the Packers. If they had gone 7-9 last year, I'd have no problem with the idea that it was time to move on. But they went 13-3 and were one play from making the Super Bowl. The window is open and even though the Packers have a nice young core, with guys like Driver, Clifton, Tauscher, Woodson, and Harris getting up there in age, there's no guarantee that they're still going to be a legit contender when Rodgers is ready to lead the team deep into the playoffs. They're a contender NOW. And Favre gives them a much better chance to win now.

The Packers won't flat out release him, and they shouldn't. There's absolutely no way I let that guy go the Minnesota Vikings. They'd be the immediate favorite in the NFC. And that's probably where Favre would go if he had his druthers. Not to stick it to the Packers, but because it's a similar offense, they have arguably the best running back and best OL in the NFL, they have a great defense, they play indoors so there's not a real worry about an outdoor playoff game in the cold (though the Giants game was once-every-twenty-years cold), his golfing buddy is on the team (Longwell), and a good friend/previous coach of his is the OC.

To me, you take Favre back and throw Aaron Rodgers a nice bonus to account for the fact that he's not hitting the escalators in his contract. Hell, if they're confident enough in Rodgers to think about letting Favre go, then sign him to a nice extension right now. It gives the team the best chance to win NOW (with Favre back), it affirms their confidence in Rodgers as the QB of the future, and while he's still probably cranky that he's not getting to play, he gets a nice chunk of change. Also it avoids a massive PR nightmare. If they aren't confident enough in him to pay Rodgers at this point, then they shouldn't be thinking of dumping Favre.

QBs like Favre don't come along very often. Chances are, Aaron Rodgers isn't one of them. I don't see any reason to push the sure thing out the door, especially when the window of opportunity is wide open and the legend is still playing at a level that Rodgers can only HOPE to achieve.

I realize that Favre's waffling has been an inconvenience. They probably don't draft Brohm if Favre had said he was staying. But apart from that, what's changed since March? Who cares that he missed a few OTAs--they've let him skip those in the past anyway. They changed a bit of the playbook to play to Rodgers's strengths? That's great. I'm sure they haven't thrown the old playbook away, and now they're better prepared for Rodgers to start at some point in the future. And Rodgers got some extra playing time, which is good.

Rodgers is a smart guy. He'd realize that taking Favre back isn't a slap in the face to him, or an indication that they don't think he's good. And Ted Thompson can get over having his master plan delayed by another year. If you've got one of the elite QBs in the league, why push him out the door just to find out if Aaron Rodgers is decent? It's stupid.

I don't know who I'd root for if Favre played a Packers team in the postseason. Most likely, I would take no joy in the game, whatsoever, and root for whoever ended up winning to go all the way. But if he plays for another team, I'll have a 1 and 1a this year in my NFL rooting interests.

My worry if they let Favre go isn't that Rodgers wouldn't do well. It's that Brian Brohm would end up QBing this team by week 6. If they let Favre go and Rodgers is either ineffective or gets injured, it would be an absolute disaster for Ted Thompson.

I'd take Favre back in a heartbeat, even if it eventually costs me Rodgers (which I don't think it would).

Edit: It's also worth mentioning that Al Jones, the reporter in Mississippi who is a friend of Favre's and was writing a book with him during the offseason, claimed to know nothing of the claim that Favre thought about un-retiring in March.

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Jones said Favre never mentioned any desire in March to come back. The two were putting the finishing touches on Jones’ book about Favre’s career at that time and Favre seemed convinced he was finished, Jones said. It wasn’t until Jones caught up with Favre in June that he saw the quarterback had been working out and throwing at a nearby high school, clearly preparing to get in training-camp shape.

“That (the Fox report) is news to me . . . ” Jones said. “He would have told me. There was no indication to me that anything like that had happened.”

Per the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Edited by Packer487, 12 July 2008 - 01:17 AM.


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Posted 12 July 2008 - 08:25 AM

QUOTE (Packer487 @ July 12, 2008 - 01:25AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To me, you take Favre back and throw Aaron Rodgers a nice bonus to account for the fact that he's not hitting the escalators in his contract. Hell, if they're confident enough in Rodgers to think about letting Favre go, then sign him to a nice extension right now. It gives the team the best chance to win NOW (with Favre back), it affirms their confidence in Rodgers as the QB of the future, and while he's still probably cranky that he's not getting to play, he gets a nice chunk of change. Also it avoids a massive PR nightmare. If they aren't confident enough in him to pay Rodgers at this point, then they shouldn't be thinking of dumping Favre.

I think I'd be a little insulted if I were Rodgers, even with the bonus. It'd feel like hush money: "OK kid, I know it was gonna be your time, but the big man's back, so here's some extra cash, and oh by the way we'd appreciate it if you wouldn't really make any waves, alrighty?"

It's a tough situation for the Packers. Very tough. You bring Favre back, Rodgers probably gets pissed. He's been patient. Could make for some rough times in the locker room. You release him and he goes to another team and beats the Packers, that makes for a PR disaster.

I'm really getting tired of Favre's antics to be honest. It was the same way with Roger Clemens. Look, don't "retire" if you've still got the drive to play. Be honest with yourself. It smacks of attention-whoring and selfishness. At the same time, though, I'm a Lions fan, and watching the Packers squirm is loads and loads of fun.
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Posted 12 July 2008 - 07:01 PM

QUOTE (betterREDthandead @ July 12, 2008 - 08:25AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think I'd be a little insulted if I were Rodgers, even with the bonus. It'd feel like hush money: "OK kid, I know it was gonna be your time, but the big man's back, so here's some extra cash, and oh by the way we'd appreciate it if you wouldn't really make any waves, alrighty?"

It's a tough situation for the Packers. Very tough. You bring Favre back, Rodgers probably gets pissed. He's been patient. Could make for some rough times in the locker room. You release him and he goes to another team and beats the Packers, that makes for a PR disaster.

I'm really getting tired of Favre's antics to be honest. It was the same way with Roger Clemens. Look, don't "retire" if you've still got the drive to play. Be honest with yourself. It smacks of attention-whoring and selfishness. At the same time, though, I'm a Lions fan, and watching the Packers squirm is loads and loads of fun.

Couldn't agree more; should've been man enough @ the end of the season, & tell it like it is - wanting outta Green Bay, but allowing the team to move him @ the draft to the highest bidder...Instead he pulls this crap.

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 07:13 PM

Packers should trade him to the Lions. That will make him retire again real quick. yowza.gif

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Posted 13 July 2008 - 12:37 AM

QUOTE (F.Michael @ July 12, 2008 - 07:01PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Couldn't agree more; should've been man enough @ the end of the season, & tell it like it is - wanting outta Green Bay, but allowing the team to move him @ the draft to the highest bidder...Instead he pulls this crap.


He should've been a man at the end of the season and asked out of Green Bay? That doesn't even make sense.

The guy's first, second, and third choice is to be the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. Since he retired that's not an option since they've got a guy they're anxious to see in Aaron Rodgers. So the option is play for someone else or don't play. He stated his preference to play for someone else.

If he would have stated his desire to come back in April, they wouldn't have moved him at the draft to the highest bidder. He'd still be this team's QB.

I can understand the team tiring of his inability to make a decision, but I still say you have to take a run at it when the window is open because you never know if the team will be in this position again.

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I think I'd be a little insulted if I were Rodgers, even with the bonus. It'd feel like hush money: "OK kid, I know it was gonna be your time, but the big man's back, so here's some extra cash, and oh by the way we'd appreciate it if you wouldn't really make any waves, alrighty?"


It would be doing right by a player who hasn't had a chance to hit the escalators in his contract, and would be denied another opportunity if Favre came back to start.

It's a tough situation, no doubt. Then again, so many teams in this league have s*** at QB, I suppose it's a nice problem to have. If they didn't have a backup QB that they liked a ton, they'd be on their hands and knees begging Favre to return.

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Posted 13 July 2008 - 05:49 AM

QUOTE (Packer487 @ July 12, 2008 - 01:25AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To me, you take Favre back and throw Aaron Rodgers a nice bonus to account for the fact that he's not hitting the escalators in his contract. Hell, if they're confident enough in Rodgers to think about letting Favre go, then sign him to a nice extension right now. It gives the team the best chance to win NOW (with Favre back), it affirms their confidence in Rodgers as the QB of the future, and while he's still probably cranky that he's not getting to play, he gets a nice chunk of change. Also it avoids a massive PR nightmare. If they aren't confident enough in him to pay Rodgers at this point, then they shouldn't be thinking of dumping Favre.


All Rodgers wants to do is play. If #4 comes back this year to GB, then I would want out if i was #12. Rodgers can go to a lot of teams to play.

I find it hard to believe that GB will have another dream season like last year. May still make the playoffs but no way do they get to the Super Bowl this year.

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Posted 13 July 2008 - 09:19 AM

QUOTE (Packer487 @ July 13, 2008 - 01:37AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It would be doing right by a player who hasn't had a chance to hit the escalators in his contract, and would be denied another opportunity if Favre came back to start.

Let me put it this way: as a Lions fan, I hope Rodgers can be bought like that. Personally that's how I'd feel: bought. For the Packers' sake, actually playing, especially when promised the chance, should be at least equally as important as the money.

Sure, there's not even a snowball's chance that Rodgers will be as good as Favre. But you'll have Rodgers for longer. Personally I admire Thompson's move yesterday: Yes, Brett, you can come back and hold the clipboard. That takes cojones.
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Posted 13 July 2008 - 09:39 AM

QUOTE (timothy1997 @ July 13, 2008 - 04:49AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All Rodgers wants to do is play. If #4 comes back this year to GB, then I would want out if i was #12. Rodgers can go to a lot of teams to play.

I find it hard to believe that GB will have another dream season like last year. May still make the playoffs but no way do they get to the Super Bowl this year.


I agree.

The thing that frustrates me about Favre is he had his emotional presser in late spring, but now says 'he never feels like playing then'. Well, why did you announce at that time then? Why not skip workouts, and make you announcement now? If he did that I would have no problem with it, because thats his right, but like BRTD said he is reaching attention ***** status.

Maybe Tim, or other GB's fans will explain, but I don't understand why everyone thinks Rogers will be such a drop from Favre. By, no means am I saying Rogers is better then Favre right now, but Rogers was a 1st rounder, and learned/matured much more then other former 1st round QB's have time to before they are thrown in the fire. On top of that he learned from Favre. When 1st round QB's get lucky enough to sit their first year they usually watch a bum like Joey Harrington, or a McCown type player.

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Posted 13 July 2008 - 11:11 AM

I would love to see Farve in Detroit so he can ruin his career by putting up the worst numbers of his lifetime as a QB.

It would put a big smile on my face
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Posted 13 July 2008 - 11:48 PM

QUOTE (timothy1997 @ July 11, 2008 - 08:11PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://sports.yahoo....K...p&type=lgns

WOW!! #4 has asked to be let go from the Pack, virtually saying that he wants to play somewhere else. I cant even imagine seeing #4 play for Chicago or Minnesota going against GB. Wonder what NFM#25 and other Pack fans in here think about this.

Can you imagine if #4 came to Detroit?!?!?! yowza.gif
yea or he has hung up his helmet for good i am a dyeheat pack fan too and i just cant imagian him playing for the lions

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 12:48 AM

QUOTE (Packer487 @ July 12, 2008 - 12:25AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Packers won't flat out release him, and they shouldn't. There's absolutely no way I let that guy go the Minnesota Vikings. They'd be the immediate favorite in the NFC. And that's probably where Favre would go if he had his druthers. Not to stick it to the Packers, but because it's a similar offense, they have arguably the best running back and best OL in the NFL, they have a great defense, they play indoors so there's not a real worry about an outdoor playoff game in the cold (though the Giants game was once-every-twenty-years cold), his golfing buddy is on the team (Longwell), and a good friend/previous coach of his is the OC.


Granted I can't speak for everyone, but I don't want to see him in Minnesota either. I like my choke artists the way they are. laugh.gif Although they have said that if he comes to the Vikings, we're pretty much guaranteed a new stadium; not that I was aware that there was that much wrong with the the Dome other than it does need some repairs. But then I may have some emotional attachment there, which I'm sure people can understand that.

I don't know...the whole situation just really annoys me. And not just because I live on the border of Viking/Packer territory and it gets pretty intense during football season (although hockey and downhill skiing are the only sports that manage to hold my interest). But I get annoyed with the whole I'm retiring...no I'm not...yes I am...no I'm not, no matter what the sport.

It seems pretty unfair of him to expect everyone to just rearrange things just for him, no matter how good he was (or still is) (again, don't follow the sport so much....it's been a few years since I last saw him play). It's one thing to "retire" and come back due to an injury or something but to waffle on it like this; I think he's going to lose a lot of fans this way.

I didn't know anything about this until the other night when someone showed me the paper at work. I honestly thought he was gone for good. Wish he'd make up his damn mind and stop leaving everyone in limbo like that; it's just not right. And the packers have every right to be pissed and make it as hard as possible for him.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 12:51 AM

QUOTE (mannysBETTER3434 @ July 13, 2008 - 09:39AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The thing that frustrates me about Favre is he had his emotional presser in late spring, but now says 'he never feels like playing then'. Well, why did you announce at that time then? Why not skip workouts, and make you announcement now? If he did that I would have no problem with it, because thats his right, but like BRTD said he is reaching attention ***** status.

Maybe Tim, or other GB's fans will explain, but I don't understand why everyone thinks Rogers will be such a drop from Favre. By, no means am I saying Rogers is better then Favre right now, but Rogers was a 1st rounder, and learned/matured much more then other former 1st round QB's have time to before they are thrown in the fire. On top of that he learned from Favre. When 1st round QB's get lucky enough to sit their first year they usually watch a bum like Joey Harrington, or a McCown type player.


With the thing in March, here's what I believe would be a perfectly rational explanation:
The Packers wanted a decision early in the offseason. Favre couldn't commit 100% to wanting to play at that point, so he did the responsible thing and retired. Retiring and then coming out of retirement would be much less of a problem (Believe it or not) than saying you were coming back and then realizing come July, "Man, I really can't do this again..."

You can't tell me that if Favre had said, "I need more time to think about it," and dragged it out until June/July that people wouldn't have been ripping him for holding the team hostage, being wishy-washy, and being an attention *****. He made the decision he thought was right, and he got it wrong. I have no problem with him wanting to remedy the situation.

I don't necessarily think Rodgers will be a huge dropoff from Favre. I'm on the record several times over saying that I think he's going to be a darn good quarterback. My biggest concern is that he's made of glass. I don't doubt his skills for a second. I doubt his ability to stay healthy, and if they let Favre go and Rodgers gets hurt, they might as well write off the season.

Grain of salt because it's ProFootballTalk, but they're reporting that the Packers would be fine with Favre coming back and competing with Rodgers for the starting job. Works for me. Brett would win.

If nothing else, Green Bay has been handling the situation with significantly more tact in the last day or so. I appreciated Thompson's comments reminding people that Favre has done nothing wrong by changing his mind (even changing his mind repeatedly). God knows I have a hard time making decisions sometimes, and I've never been faced with anything of this magnitude; whether to give up something that I've done for my entire life.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 02:57 AM

QUOTE (Packer487 @ July 13, 2008 - 12:37AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He should've been a man at the end of the season and asked out of Green Bay? That doesn't even make sense.

My comment earlier was made based on the initial reports of Favre wanting an unconditional release from GB; not aware of the fact that he still wishes to play for the Packers.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 04:10 AM

Don't have a link to this story but there were about 200 fans who were "protesting" outside Lambeau Field chanting phrases like "Bring Back Brett" and "Favre for President"

200??? Seriously. He's the god of football in the teams' history and you can only get 200 fans.

I could get more students at the local high school to protest they hate meatloaf...
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Posted 14 July 2008 - 04:11 AM

Oh, they have a website too. http://www.bringbackbrettfavre.com/
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