GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted October 27, 2008 If Texas loses at some point (Texas Tech, Big 12 Championship Game), they still should easily be the best one-loss team in the country. I would think Alabama will lose to either LSU or to Georgia/Florida in the SEC Championship Game. Assuming Penn State runs the table, it's hard to imagine any scenario that Penn State/Texas isn't the national championship game. Are the voters willing to put a one-loss SEC team over an undefeated Big Ten team judging on the past two years? I think Penn State is a terrific football team, but I don't know if they are better than any of the potential one-loss teams in the Big 12 or SEC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted October 27, 2008 Michigan State never lost to Appy State or Toledo tho. MSU just wasn't that good in the Big Ten. Michigan loses to EVERYONE. Oh please. Your first win in the series in seven years and now it's "Michigan loses to everyone." We're still 8-2 against you in the last ten years and you haven't won a bowl game since, what, 2001? "MSU just wasn't that good in the Big Ten"? No, MSU just wasn't that good, period. Ever. Sheesh. This is why we hate losing to MSU. For a solid year now LB is gonna think football history began on Saturday and bring up other Michigan losses as "great days to be a Spartan" as if Sparty was somehow involved. Have a 40-season streak of winning seasons, win yourself a bowl game every once in a while, and then get back to us, K? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted October 27, 2008 If Texas loses at some point (Texas Tech, Big 12 Championship Game), they still should easily be the best one-loss team in the country. I would think Alabama will lose to either LSU or to Georgia/Florida in the SEC Championship Game. Assuming Penn State runs the table, it's hard to imagine any scenario that Penn State/Texas isn't the national championship game. Are the voters willing to put a one-loss SEC team over an undefeated Big Ten team judging on the past two years? I think Penn State is a terrific football team, but I don't know if they are better than any of the potential one-loss teams in the Big 12 or SEC. If that is the scenario that happens that you outlined, I hope they would pick in Penn State first, even though I am a big fan of a school that plays in the SEC. Florida/Georgia could be the one-loss teams that could floop up this situation, assuming they win the SEC Championship. Florida's loss is to an average Ole Miss team, Georgia to a good Alabama team, so you'd think Georgia would have the 1-up in that regards. With my school being in a non-BCS conference and them doing pretty well for themselves right now, I'm intrigued by the non-BCS schools trying to crack in. I think it is a good bet that 1 of them gets in. 2 would be a major stretch, although there is some possiblity that it might happen. The teams... Ball State and Tulsa are still undefeated and could definitely run the table, but I don't know if they have the schedule to catch up in the standings. One of TCU and Utah will be out of the BCS race in about two weeks as both have to play each other. TCU, even with 1 loss, could easily make it if they run the table and beat Utah at their turf. Their only loss is to Oklahoma, they beat BYU when they were a top-10 team and they've pretty much taken care of business outside that. If they beat top-10 Utah and the rest of their games, it'll be hard not to include them. If Utah wins out, they are in, no questions asked I think. Boise State is still undefeated and they have a favorable schedule to win out. Do you pick them though over either an undefeated Utah team or even 1-loss TCU if they can beat Utah, since that'll be two wins over top-10 teams and the only loss coming to a top-5 team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted October 27, 2008 when exactly was that game again? Appy State and Toledo happened in recent years for Michigan's football program. Thats my point about time. You're making it sound like they have been losing forever, and thats FAR from the case. It's a span of barely over a year. App State jokes really don't effect me, and I was saw it in person. People can say what they want, but I truly believe App State would have beat anyone in the Big Ten that day except OSU, but unfortunately it had to happen to us. People can bring up Toledo, App State, and the tide is turning, but we will see who is laughing when Michigan is wearing the jewelry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2008 Thats my point about time. You're making it sound like they have been losing forever, and thats FAR from the case. It's a span of barely over a year. App State jokes really don't effect me, and I was saw it in person. People can say what they want, but I truly believe App State would have beat anyone in the Big Ten that day except OSU, but unfortunately it had to happen to us. People can bring up Toledo, App State, and the tide is turning, but we will see who is laughing when Michigan is wearing the jewelry. my point on time is that these are not your "Same Old Spartans" as well as these are not the same Michigan football program. I agree with you on Appy State. Programs just scheduling them are only asking for trouble and being upset. You gotta beat Toledo tho! The only thing Michigan might want to consider is that EVERY Michigan coach loses their first game against MSU. Bo, Mo, Carr, and now RR. As far as the jewelry...yeah ok. we will see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2008 Oh please. Your first win in the series in seven years and now it's "Michigan loses to everyone." We're still 8-2 against you in the last ten years and you haven't won a bowl game since, what, 2001? "MSU just wasn't that good in the Big Ten"? No, MSU just wasn't that good, period. Ever. Comparing Michigan under Carr is like comparing MSU under John L. Not the same program that is on the field this year. MSU had a good non-conference record. The only bad non-conference loss that I can remember in recent years as the LA Tech game. They have always got out to good starts. Problem is that once the Big Ten schedule started, they would lose games they have no business losing like Indiana. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2008 Sheesh. This is why we hate losing to MSU. For a solid year now LB is gonna think football history began on Saturday and bring up other Michigan losses as "great days to be a Spartan" as if Sparty was somehow involved. Have a 40-season streak of winning seasons, win yourself a bowl game every once in a while, and then get back to us, K? It's called bragging rights. All the Michigan fans came outta the wordwork last year and posted after the Michigan win only. Thats why I called out bandwagon fans on this website to make a post on here prior to the game. True about the history is on your side, but MSU definately is in better shape right now. They are more of a team and on the same page....oh and they have desire. Something Michigan lacks badly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted October 27, 2008 Michigan has desire, but they are so young it's hard to bring it all the time. Having such a young team also hurts leadership. They basically have Terrence Taylor, and Morgan Trent...that's it for guys who can be leaders. Last year they had tons of leaders in Hart, Henne, Long, Crable, Adams, etc. It's hard for freshmen to step up as leaders, and when your leading WR, starting TE, QB, and 2 of your RB's are all freshmen where is it going to come from? You can say we'll see about the jewelry, but I think it's hard to deny when you see all these freshmen players, and even more freshmen playing next year, plus RR's track record. That offense should be something fun to watch..... You're right this isn't the same program as it was under Carr, but that was expected. The only way it would have been the same is if Debord was hired. MSU usually does start good. The only bad lose I can think of besides La Tech in the last few years is Rugters, when they were piss poor awful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2008 Michigan traditionally always had a "GO TO GUY". Whether it was David Terrell, Braylon Edwards, Chris Perry, Marquise Walker or Mike Hart..they always had someone whom the system was designed for. That made average quarterbacks (Navarre, Deisbach, Henson), much better. I think you are right with lacking leadership but I find it hard to believe that this program lacks talent. One of the biggest players on the field last saturday was a walk-on. Blair White stepped up over the past few weeks and is making big plays for MSU. I think Michigan is missing Adam Arrington, Manningham, Boren over Ryan Mallett. White is having a great season and helping Hoyer, who is an average college quarterback, but up amazing numbers. You can have people step up, no matter what level they are on. Under RR, I believe Michigan will either be very good or very bad. No medium under this system. Spread offense can work in the Big Ten, but only if done right. MSU tried the extreme spread offense under John L and from the playcalling, it seemed like MSU was confused more than the opponents defense. The same scenario could happen in Michigan as well. Only time will tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted October 27, 2008 Michigan traditionally always had a "GO TO GUY". Whether it was David Terrell, Braylon Edwards, Chris Perry, Marquise Walker or Mike Hart..they always had someone whom the system was designed for. That made average quarterbacks (Navarre, Deisbach, Henson), much better. I think you are right with lacking leadership but I find it hard to believe that this program lacks talent. One of the biggest players on the field last saturday was a walk-on. Blair White stepped up over the past few weeks and is making big plays for MSU. I think Michigan is missing Adam Arrington, Manningham, Boren over Ryan Mallett. White is having a great season and helping Hoyer, who is an average college quarterback, but up amazing numbers. You can have people step up, no matter what level they are on. Under RR, I believe Michigan will either be very good or very bad. No medium under this system. Spread offense can work in the Big Ten, but only if done right. MSU tried the extreme spread offense under John L and from the playcalling, it seemed like MSU was confused more than the opponents defense. The same scenario could happen in Michigan as well. Only time will tell. That is very fair, and true although your only flaw is on Henson. Henson was the best QB coming out of HS. He was up/down at U-M, but you have to consider he was very young, and on top of that didn't stop playing baseball, which he should have done. I understand your talent point. There is a lot of talent there, but it is very raw. Most of the key players should be still be on the bench for a year or two more, but can't because of the attrition to the draft, transfers, etc. But you are right there is no excuse someone shouldn't step it up like White has. There actually is a handful of them, but it doesn't show up on the score sheet, or scoreboard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted October 27, 2008 Just enjoy it while it lasts. In a few years Michigan will be one of the best in Big Ten again and we'll all be cursing Ann Arbor. Savor these days UM rivals....I am. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2008 (edited) There actually is a handful of them, but it doesn't show up on the score sheet, or scoreboard. I agree 100%. Graham talked his mouth off prior to the MSU game but at least he backed it up and had a helluva game. I think non-MSU fans will be surprised in MSU NEXT YEAR. Sure this team has Ringer and Hoyer..but what about next year. MSU has done well recruiting since Dantonio has come over and that is how you build successful programs. Anderson will probably be the main back next year with Cousins as the QB, but the incoming freshman like Baker and Maxwell are top HS talent. THESE ARE NOT THE SAME OLD SPARTANS!! Edited October 28, 2008 by timothy1997 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted October 27, 2008 If any school wants to ruin their football team quickly, the program wrecker himself, Tyrone Willingham is available. UM fans think rebuilding with Rodriguez is tough. Trust me, it could be so much worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 If any school wants to ruin their football team quickly, the program wrecker himself, Tyrone Willingham is available. UM fans think rebuilding with Rodriguez is tough. Trust me, it could be so much worse. Washington still has to play Washington State tho. Both those teams would get blown out by Michigan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 I agree 100%. Graham talked his mouth off prior to the MSU game but at least he backed it up and had a helluva game. I think non-MSU fans will be surprised in MSU NEXT YEAR. Sure this team has Ringer and Hoyer..but what about next year. MSU has done well recruiting since Dantonio has come over and that is how you build successful programs. Anderson will probably be the main back next year with Cousins as the QB, but the incoming freshman like Baker and Maxwell are top HS talent. THESE ARE NOT THE SAME OLD SPARTANS!! I am very familiar with Couisins, and Nichol for that matter too. I might have said a few times on here but I was in shock they offered him. I can't see Couisins starting next season (I know he has played well when he has went in), but I can't see him beating out Nichol. A few of my MSU buddies claims if Nichol was eligible he would be starting right now. Have to remember Nichol took Sam Bardford to the last day of practice not too long ago. Nichol can also take off when needed too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 Washington still has to play Washington State tho. Both those teams would get blown out by Michigan Lane Kiffen will go to Washington....write it down! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 If any school wants to ruin their football team quickly, the program wrecker himself, Tyrone Willingham is available. UM fans think rebuilding with Rodriguez is tough. Trust me, it could be so much worse. Lane Kiffen will replace him. Write it down! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 Sparty printed a t-shirt? And put up a billboard, too. That's sad. I mean, sorry, but that's gotta be embarrassing. I know LB is happy and all about winning, but nothing says "we've never been here before and we're not sure we ever will again" like printing t-shirts and posting up billboards. I went to a school that doesn't beat its rival much any more and I wouldn't be caught dead in a t-shirt like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 Sparty printed a t-shirt? And put up a billboard, too. That's sad. I mean, sorry, but that's borderline pathetic. I know LB is happy and all about winning, but nothing says "we've never been here before and we're not sure we ever will again" like printing t-shirts and posting up billboards. I was just going to talk about that. CLASSY!!! Wouldn't be surprised if there is something about that in the U-M locker room already. I never thought I would see a coach get a gatorade shower, and a billboard post in the city after beating a 2-5 football team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 I was just going to talk about that. CLASSY!!! Wouldn't be surprised if there is something about that in the U-M locker room already. I never thought I would see a coach get a gatorade shower, and a billboard post in the city after beating a 2-5 football team. Didnt Navy make a big deal after they beat a 1-7 Notre Dame team last year? Granted they haven't beaten ND in like forever, but still. They only just beat a 1-7 team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 Didnt Navy make a big deal after they beat a 1-7 Notre Dame team last year? Granted they haven't beaten ND in like forever, but still. They only just beat a 1-7 team. For me the issue isn't the record of the team. And yeah, they made a big deal, and they ought to be happy about it and so should Sparty whenever they beat Michigan. Then again, there were no t-shirts and no billboards. If Navy can refrain from doing that even after ending a 44-year streak, shouldn't Sparty be able to after ending a 7-year streak? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 Didnt Navy make a big deal after they beat a 1-7 Notre Dame team last year? Granted they haven't beaten ND in like forever, but still. They only just beat a 1-7 team. I honestly have no idea..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) For me the issue isn't the record of the team. And yeah, they made a big deal, and they ought to be happy about it and so should Sparty whenever they beat Michigan. Then again, there were no t-shirts and no billboards. If Navy can refrain from doing that even after ending a 44-year streak, shouldn't Sparty be able to after ending a 7-year streak? I think its because of all the trash talking...all the little brother talk...and how Dantonio has made a point that MSU's top game is Michigan, regardless of record. That is why MSU is making such a big deal of this. Not sure about billboard. I heard about the shirt but do you have a link on the billboard story. For me personally, if MSU wins out, they will win at least a share of the Big Ten title...if not the Big Ten outright. Thats a case to make a bigger deal about. Oh and time to change your avatar BRTD. Unless you think Purdue is your little brother. Edited October 28, 2008 by timothy1997 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 I got no problem with the excitement, and trash talking from MSU fans it is well deserved, but lets say U-M beat OSU and they made shirts I would be embarrassed. My final word on the billboard/shirt (PS I will try and find the billboard link right now) is Dantonio himself said "Pride comes before the fall". Billboards, and shirts show a lot of pride don't they?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted October 28, 2008 BAM! http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog...rn=ncaaf,117593 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
