2008 College Football Thread

[timothy1997 0]

HOLY TOLEDO!!

I had this game penciled in for a Michigan win. Never again. Too bad Eastern Michigan couldn't be on Michigan's schedule this year. EMU would actually have a shot.

The sad part is I am scared s***less about the Michigan-MSU game. I somehow expect to see the Michigan team that pulled out a win against Wisconsin to show up and find a way to beat MSU again.

I think it is safe to say that Michigan will not make a bowl game this year tho.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

No way in hell Michigan goes bowling......wow thats weird to say.

Is Justin Feagin actually that bad at QB? Why not give him a shot? The guy can fly in space. I can't imagine a QB who throws worse balls then Threet, and Sheridan.

[BlakChamber 8]

IMO the pecking order in the B10...

Penn State

Ohio State

Michigan

Michigan State

Wisconsin

Northwestern

Illinois

Minnesota

Indiana

Purdue

Iowa

Care to revise those rankings?

MSU is bowl eligible in October and is 3-0 in the Big 10 I have a huge man crush on Mark Dantonio. He is exactly what this program needed.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

MSU will beat Ohio State this weekend. I just feel it...

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

MSU will beat Ohio State this weekend. I just feel it...

Like they say every true freshmen who starts equals a lose. I think OSU will slip sometime this year too because of that rule. I don't know if it will be to MSU, but someone......

[BlakChamber 8]

http://www.firerrod.com/

The honeymoon is over

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

http://www.firerrod.com/

The honeymoon is over

Whoever made that site should die, and I'm not even joking. This team wouldn't be that good if Carr, Miles, Schiano, or even Vince Lombardi was coaching. People should realize that. Like I've said 1,000 times if you're going to make a 180 degree change in Michigan football this might as well have been the year because it was going to be a down year regardless.

[redwings1914 18]

I would find it very funny if 4 out of 5 of Michigan's wins came against top 10 teams, yet their 8 losses would be against unranked opponents.

[timothy1997 0]

I would find it very funny if 4 out of 5 of Michigan's wins came against top 10 teams, yet their 8 losses would be against unranked opponents.

Wisconsin is not a top 10 team. Polls dont really matter til the end of the season. Clearly Wisconsin was overrated like they are every year.

[timothy1997 0]

I have a huge man crush on Mark Dantonio. He is exactly what this program needed.

I am looking to add a Dantonio poster next to my Tom Izzo poster. I have confidence in his abilities, no matter who we are playing.

[timothy1997 0]

Whoever made that site should die, and I'm not even joking. This team wouldn't be that good if Carr, Miles, Schiano, or even Vince Lombardi was coaching. People should realize that. Like I've said 1,000 times if you're going to make a 180 degree change in Michigan football this might as well have been the year because it was going to be a down year regardless.

Yes but the team certainly has more talent then Toledo. I am replacing all my "APPY STATE" jokes with "TOLEDO" now. Clearly this loss is much worse than the Appy State loss. On paper, this should have been the first game you went to "pencil a win" in.

DickRod won't be fired this year but if this team is this bad next year...his coaching seat will definately get hot. I personally would give him 3 years no matter what. Thats enough time to get his program and offensive scheme in.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Yes but the team certainly has more talent then Toledo. I am replacing all my "APPY STATE" jokes with "TOLEDO" now. Clearly this loss is much worse than the Appy State loss. On paper, this should have been the first game you went to "pencil a win" in.

DickRod won't be fired this year but if this team is this bad next year...his coaching seat will definately get hot. I personally would give him 3 years no matter what. Thats enough time to get his program and offensive scheme in.

I agree on the talent part. They should win that game every time no matter what. I also agree it's a worse lose then App State. I don't agree with the hot seat though. Bill Martin gave more then enough time (actually too much time) for Tommy Amaker, and was on Lloyd Carr's side even if they would have went 0-12.

Next year there will be even more growing pains. There will be a true freshmen probably starting at QB. If not starting getting a lot of PT, along with holes to fill on the DL, and more OL shuffles. Record wise should be much improved though. I'm not worried about RR. He will have them in the elite category in time....

[BlakChamber 8]

I would find it very funny if 4 out of 5 of Michigan's wins came against top 10 teams, yet their 8 losses would be against unranked opponents.

Which of Michigan's remaining games are you penciling in for wins?

I agree on the talent part. They should win that game every time no matter what. I also agree it's a worse lose then App State. I don't agree with the hot seat though. Bill Martin gave more then enough time (actually too much time) for Tommy Amaker, and was on Lloyd Carr's side even if they would have went 0-12.

Football at Michigan is different than basketball though. After Ed Martin and the Fab 5, all UM seems to want from a basketball coach is to keep the program clean and not have former players questioned by the FBI. Football is what brings in the big money from the alumni, not hoops. I'd bet dollars to donuts that Martin has been hearing from some donors already.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Which of Michigan's remaining games are you penciling in for wins?

Football at Michigan is different than basketball though. After Ed Martin and the Fab 5, all UM seems to want from a basketball coach is to keep the program clean and not have former players questioned by the FBI. Football is what brings in the big money from the alumni, not hoops. I'd bet dollars to donuts that Martin has been hearing from some donors already.

That is all very true on hoops/football, and there is not doubt you are right on the donors. Some donors have never even given Rodriquez a chance because their boy from LSU was not hired.

[eva unit zero 271]

Whoever made that site should die, and I'm not even joking. This team wouldn't be that good if Carr, Miles, Schiano, or even Vince Lombardi was coaching. People should realize that. Like I've said 1,000 times if you're going to make a 180 degree change in Michigan football this might as well have been the year because it was going to be a down year regardless.

It wouldn't have been this down if Carr hadn't retired. Part of that, of course, has to do with Coach Attitude running off players who would have been his most talented players, had intended to stay and ended up transferring out or declaring because they weren't guys who fit his type of offense and rather than try and adapt to the talent that he had, Rodriguez preferred to say 'OK, we're doing it this way whether we have the players to do it or not." And the answer of course is that Michigan did not have the players to do it.

If Rich Rod was willing to adapt his offensive scheme to a QB like, say, Ryan Mallett....then perhaps Michigan would be in a much better position. But instead, he basically forced Mallett out of the program because he was wooing Terrell Pryor, who ended up at OSU anyway. Coach Rod is definitely right. He turned West Virginia around, and now he's turned Michigan around. Unfortunately, Michigan was already good. Hopefully, we can get the Wolverines turned back around again by the end of the season.

[eva unit zero 271]

Wisconsin is not a top 10 team. Polls dont really matter til the end of the season. Clearly Wisconsin was overrated like they are every year.

I think the point was that the team was considered a Top 10 team at the time Michigan would beat them.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

It wouldn't have been this down if Carr hadn't retired. Part of that, of course, has to do with Coach Attitude running off players who would have been his most talented players, had intended to stay and ended up transferring out or declaring because they weren't guys who fit his type of offense and rather than try and adapt to the talent that he had, Rodriguez preferred to say 'OK, we're doing it this way whether we have the players to do it or not." And the answer of course is that Michigan did not have the players to do it.

If Rich Rod was willing to adapt his offensive scheme to a QB like, say, Ryan Mallett....then perhaps Michigan would be in a much better position. But instead, he basically forced Mallett out of the program because he was wooing Terrell Pryor, who ended up at OSU anyway. Coach Rod is definitely right. He turned West Virginia around, and now he's turned Michigan around. Unfortunately, Michigan was already good. Hopefully, we can get the Wolverines turned back around again by the end of the season.

That is true. We would still have Baby Boren, and Arrington with Carr, and MAYBE Manningham. But how much would those 2 really help with Threet, and a still very poor OL? Like I've said before I believe Mallett was gone no matter what. He didn't like the school, he missed home, and was alienating teammates. RR wanted Mallett, but like he said when Mallett turned it into a situation where RR had to literally start recruiting him, along with Pryor who are you going to recruit harder? A guy who doesn't want to be at U-M, or a guy who fits the style you are bringing in perfectly, and had legit interest in them. It's not a hard pick.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I know there is a Wings game on Thursday night, but if you want to also check out some football action, my school which got back in the top-25 this week and is 6-1 will be playing BYU who is undefeated in the top-10, Thursday night on Versus. Should be a good game, my school has one of the better defenses in the country and BYU is pretty nuts on the offensive side of the ball. I will be watching both games.

Edited October 14, 2008 by SouthernWingsFan

[betterREDthandead 58]

It wouldn't have been this down if Carr hadn't retired. Part of that, of course, has to do with Coach Attitude running off players who would have been his most talented players, had intended to stay and ended up transferring out or declaring because they weren't guys who fit his type of offense and rather than try and adapt to the talent that he had, Rodriguez preferred to say 'OK, we're doing it this way whether we have the players to do it or not." And the answer of course is that Michigan did not have the players to do it.

If Rich Rod was willing to adapt his offensive scheme to a QB like, say, Ryan Mallett....then perhaps Michigan would be in a much better position. But instead, he basically forced Mallett out of the program because he was wooing Terrell Pryor, who ended up at OSU anyway. Coach Rod is definitely right. He turned West Virginia around, and now he's turned Michigan around. Unfortunately, Michigan was already good. Hopefully, we can get the Wolverines turned back around again by the end of the season.

Who'd he run off? Boren? That whiny little daddy's boy? Boren left, I think, for one big reason: RR wouldn't let him go home and snowplow when his ass was supposed to be in the weight room. So he complained about "eroded family values" and took off. The only other transfer was Mallett, who Carr couldn't stand and who didn't like RR's offense and rightfully so, because he has the mobility of an oak tree. He was smart to leave, he wouldn't have succeeded in this offense.

RR has in fact adapted his system to the personnel. All it takes is to see the run/pass ratio. Last year with Pat White and no receivers, he ran 70% of the time. This year it's an even split. Asking him to try and coach a Carr-style offense when he has no experience with it is like asking Mallett to run the RR offense. It just wouldn't work.

It's WAY too early to start climbing all over RR. We haven't even played a Big Ten rivalry game yet.

[timothy1997 0]

Who'd he run off? Boren? That whiny little daddy's boy? Boren left, I think, for one big reason: RR wouldn't let him go home and snowplow when his ass was supposed to be in the weight room. So he complained about "eroded family values" and took off. The only other transfer was Mallett, who Carr couldn't stand and who didn't like RR's offense and rightfully so, because he has the mobility of an oak tree. He was smart to leave, he wouldn't have succeeded in this offense.

RR has in fact adapted his system to the personnel. All it takes is to see the run/pass ratio. Last year with Pat White and no receivers, he ran 70% of the time. This year it's an even split. Asking him to try and coach a Carr-style offense when he has no experience with it is like asking Mallett to run the RR offense. It just wouldn't work.

It's WAY too early to start climbing all over RR. We haven't even played a Big Ten rivalry game yet.

It's also hard to ignore that this is the worst a Michigan football team has been since before Bo. If some of the donors and alumni are upset and want DickRod gone, that speaks volumes much louder than these computer geeks who put together a www.firerrod.com website.

As a non-Michigan fan, I am gonna enjoy this year. May not get another year like this one ever. If this continues for the next few years tho, once DickRod has his players in tho...then this setback will hurt Michigan in recruiting. Lot of good players are looking at MSU as an up-and-coming program..and rightfully so.

[redwings1914 18]

As a non-Michigan fan, I am gonna enjoy this year. May not get another year like this one ever. If this continues for the next few years tho, once DickRod has his players in tho...then this setback will hurt Michigan in recruiting. Lot of good players are looking at MSU as an up-and-coming program..and rightfully so.

Remember the 7-5 season three years ago, an 11-0 start put all of that to rest. Players will get better, half the frickin offense is freshman, now I'm not saying 11-0 is going to happen next year and that team that went 7-5 was a lot better than this current one, but with a year of learning what not to do should help next year. If Tate Forcier/Shavodrick Beaver really is/are the real deal for this offense then watch out, because the QB is the biggest reason this team is 2-4. If Mallett would have stayed this team would not have been as bad, Sheridan and Threet were WALKONS for a reason, they were not worth a valuable scholarship. Mallett **could** have this team sitting at 4-2 or 5-1 right now. Toledo and Utah were single digit losses, this team right now is like an infant, it can take some steps but you know it can't walk on its own yet.

Recruiting isn't going to be hurt at all, the only reason you see players "de-committing" is because they made their minds up all the way back in April and May, the later you get a player to commit the better the chance they have actually made up your mind. MSU is an up and coming program, but Michigan still is the king in most recruits opinions (when it comes to the state of Michigan), now if there is another season like this next year you might be seeing a change in that.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Double Post ):

Edited October 14, 2008 by mannysBETTER3434

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Who'd he run off? Boren? That whiny little daddy's boy? Boren left, I think, for one big reason: RR wouldn't let him go home and snowplow when his ass was supposed to be in the weight room. So he complained about "eroded family values" and took off. The only other transfer was Mallett, who Carr couldn't stand and who didn't like RR's offense and rightfully so, because he has the mobility of an oak tree. He was smart to leave, he wouldn't have succeeded in this offense.

RR has in fact adapted his system to the personnel. All it takes is to see the run/pass ratio. Last year with Pat White and no receivers, he ran 70% of the time. This year it's an even split. Asking him to try and coach a Carr-style offense when he has no experience with it is like asking Mallett to run the RR offense. It just wouldn't work.

It's WAY too early to start climbing all over RR. We haven't even played a Big Ten rivalry game yet.

Spot on, well said.

If some of the donors and alumni are upset and want DickRod gone, that speaks volumes much louder than these computer geeks who put together a www.firerrod.com website.

I don't really see the point in that because some donors will never give RR a chance because Miles was their friend, and/or former teammate, and 1st choice. There were donors who hated Carr too.

Recruiting isn't going to be hurt at all, the only reason you see players "de-committing" is because they made their minds up all the way back in April and May, the later you get a player to commit the better the chance they have actually made up your mind.

I agree with your post. I would be shocked if recruiting took a blow. It won't. Look at ND's season last year, and their recruiting class (ranked No. 1). Players understand rebuilding is going on, and know they are still looking into a major program. Bama's cupboard was full too when Saban got there. Players are still going to go the school because of the name, and history behind it. Look at Michigan's class for next year with 2 good QB's, slots, etc. Heck they got 2 studs already from the 2010 class.

Edited October 14, 2008 by mannysBETTER3434

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I agree with your post. I would be shocked if recruiting took a blow. It won't. Look at ND's season last year, and their recruiting class (ranked No. 1). Players understand rebuilding is going on, and know they are still looking into a major program. Bama's cupboard was full too when Saban got there. Players are still going to go the school because of the name, and history behind it. Look at Michigan's class for next year with 2 good QB's, slots, etc. Heck they got 2 studs already from the 2010 class.

Good post. You hit it right on about the recruiting. UM isn't going to struggle for recruits because of this season. It is still Michigan football - one of the premier, most historic, college football programs in the country. Like you mentioned, I see very similar situations to ND's rebuilding phase and what Michigan is going through now. I am by no means a coach or recruiting expert, but I am guessing if Charlie Weis or Rich Rodriguez meet with a potential recruit and say "Hey, you can be a part of something special here by getting the program back to its winning standards" ... that concept may mean quite a bit to a high school kid. Rebuilding sucks without question, but a good coach can play that as a major advantage in the recruiting process.

[timothy1997 0]

I guess my point about recruiting mostly has to do when you look at Nebraska. Ever since Osborne retired, the program has took a major downward spin. Why? Is it just coaching?? Is it recruiting? Is it everyone else in the Big 12 catching up with them?? If Michigan has a rough year next year and the following, why couldnt that scenario happen there??

Tennessee is another good scenario to consider. The Vols used to be a foregone conclusion that the SEC (at least the East section) would always come down to Florida and Tennessee. Now so many other teams have "caught up" to the Vols.