Opie 308 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 you can complain at the defense, sammy, clearly, hudler etc all you want, but .879 in Save Percentage is unacceptable. If Osgood keeps that up we might as well ride conklin for a while. you should expect atleast over 0.900 from a good goalie. Thank you for telling me what to expect. The D is bad, team wise not just the 6 d-men, the PP and the Offense are about the only thing working right now. Too many pks, way too many for this team. But sure lets blame the 7-1-2 record on him, wait we are blaming some one for being 7-1-2 or are we giving them credit, I can't tell because the record says, we are finding a way to win. I guess the other blame Ozzie thread wasn't good enough for you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 I thought Oz did not play well Monday night - he only faced about 17 shots - but he was good in the SO and we still won. On the contrary, I though Oz played very well last night. He stopped a handful of point blank shots. The 5-3s were just gimme goals to the Ducks by the refs. Our shots against is climbing higher - the defense needs to shut things down and keep pucks away from our GT like they did last year. However, when you're on the PK all night like they were last night, 34 SOG is expected I suppose. When Sammy keeps getting "roughing" penalties, you KNOW something is up with the reffing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maltbymaniac 13 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) i cant recall seeing so many 5-3 pp,like we have so far this year. to be honest i think the refs might win the stanley cup this year.because they are the ones deciding games not the players. F*&K the nhl and its officiating.this is ridiculous. in now convinced thats its not ozzies fault as much as its the refs fault Edited October 30, 2008 by maltbymaniac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 .879 sv% (last in the league) and 3.38 GAA isn't good. It can't be entirely the fault of the team in front of the goalie. At least that is what I have heard ad nauseum previously, in this very forum. It's all in your perception, I guess. Same circumstances, different result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 Osgood has been fine - the defense has been awful and there have been an uncanny amount of fluke goals going in. A few off Wings' skates, a number of crazy deflections off two or more players, and a few strange bounces from walls. Plus the crazy amount of penalties the Wings are taking. The Wings have the third most minor penalties in the league right now! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 sure its not good but we are still winning... when we start losing 20% of our games and he still has these stats... then there is a problem that needs to be addressed. he just takes a bit to get into the season... At least that is what I have heard ad nauseum previously, in this very forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 and ozzie is the best and coming off cold as proven last year in the Playoffs Psss can we merge this into the other Ozzie Talk thread... just sayin' cause i hate to have to jump between threads... I am too old to look through both at different times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) sure its not good but we are still winning... when we start losing 20% of our games and he still has these stats... then there is a problem that needs to be addressed. he just takes a bit to get into the season... At least that is what I have heard ad nauseum previously, in this very forum. Maybe it will take more games for Ozzie to pick up the stats. Who knows? Maybe Oz will win half the regular season games, and Conklin will win half -- just like last season when we also had two great goalies. Edited October 30, 2008 by puckloo39 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hankzet40 233 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 Can't deny Ozzie has been shaky but the people in front of him haven't been helping all that much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 Ozzy has been shaky at times but he is still adjusting from playing in front of the best, most disciplined defense in the NHL to whoever these guys playing in front of him are. Ozzy has had a few softies but really not many when you look at them. How many have been on the PP and more to the point, how many have been on a 5 on 3? Last night Osgood played great and lost 5-4, huh? Well, lets look at the goals against last night: 5 on 3 goal, 5 on 2 goal (Pav lost his stick), PPG, defensive breakdown centered in the low slot, and the game-winner was a obvious high-stick, but lacking a camera angle right in line with the crossbar, it counted. The real issue this season is penalty trouble, for the Wings especially, but as bad as its been, they are still one of the LEAST penalized teams in the league?! Watch a non-Wings game anywhere around the NHL and count the penalties, its been disgusting. Does anyone else find that awarding 5 on 3s to the trailing team until they victimize the opposition for a tying goal and then putting the whistles away boring? The game is meant to be played 5 on 5 and I feel like I haven't seen a solid 5 minutes of that for weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 You really can't blame Ozzie for any of the goals last night. He wasn't spectacular, but he was solid. Nor do I think our defense was horrible (but again not spectacular), we just pelted ourselves 5 on 3s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayUp88 1 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 panic painc painc oh nooooo we are 7-1-2 run for the hills Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 While Oz has been less than spectacular, last night is the first game I recall where a goalie gave up 5 goals yet played incredible. He made great stop after great stop especially when a player got behind our defense. If you look at the goals it shows how well Ozzie actually played last night. Goal 1: 5-on-3 Bang-Bang play Ozzie had no shot Goal 2: Deflected off Lilja's skate and in the back of the net. No shot for Ozzie Goal 3: Another Bang-Bang play similar to the first goal. Again, No Shot for Ozzie Goal 4: Blown coverage by the defense. No shot for Ozzie again. Goal 5: Illegal Goal that shouldn't have counted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordie Howe hat trick 110 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 The Oz defenders keep citing the defense being crappy, but if you want to be a goalie in the NHL you have to be able to steal a few bad calls or no. The Hawks have had a real shady D for the last few years, and Bulin still kept em' in a lot of games. Moral of the story is, Oz needs to start playing better or he needs to get benched. Not like we had a problem doing it to Dom last year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torless 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 We're talking about a guy that has had to adjust from 20 shots per game to 30 - and trying to kill penalties to boot. Bad passing, cluster-f defense in front of the goal... I don't know that I've seen Osgood give up an unscreened goal yet unless you count the bad 'off-the-skate' goals from the last few games and the weird bounce-back against Van. I think goaltending and offense have been good - Osgood stonewalled all the breakaway opportunities to keep them in the game... especially that bad Sammy turnover where he practically passed it to the Ducks for the 1 on 1 with 5 seconds left. Look on the bright side - Detroit has shown that they can rally at every turn... but some crucial players needs to go back to boot camp and start learning to pass better and avoid penalties. If you saw the replays - most of the penalties on the Wings last night were good calls... total lack of discipline. Ozzie made several great diving saves last night - I would give him a break until they start sliding as everyone else has stated. That high-stick goal was absolute BS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladdy16 2,154 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 I'm with NFM on this one. I missed a major portion of the game last night, but most of what I saw was Ozzie playing very well, and a few saves were absolutely brilliant. I think we should get a little deeper into the season before we start hanging anyone in effigy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) The Oz defenders keep citing the defense being crappy, but if you want to be a goalie in the NHL you have to be able to steal a few bad calls or no. The Hawks have had a real shady D for the last few years, and Bulin still kept em' in a lot of games. Moral of the story is, Oz needs to start playing better or he needs to get benched. Not like we had a problem doing it to Dom last year... So being 7-1-2 doesn't constitute stealing a few? Sorry Oz is not 7-1-2 he is 4-1-2 Edited October 30, 2008 by Opie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 you can complain at the defense, sammy, clearly, hudler etc all you want, but .879 in Save Percentage is unacceptable. If Osgood keeps that up we might as well ride conklin for a while. you should expect atleast over 0.900 from a good goalie. Try watching some games instead of just checking the stats sheet. Ozzy's been fine. My only slight criticism is he's given up a few more rebounds than usual. This is not like last season where the team was great defensively and Dom was playing poorly. This whole team has been out of sync so far this season, except for offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordie Howe hat trick 110 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 So being 7-1-2 doesn't constitute stealing a few? Not when you do it in OT, we should have won in regulation. Going down to a shootout doesn't constitute stealing a game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) .879 sv% (last in the league) and 3.38 GAA isn't good. It can't be entirely the fault of the team in front of the goalie. At least that is what I have heard ad nauseum previously, in this very forum. It's all in your perception, I guess. Same circumstances, different result. It's really not the same circumstances though to what you are alluding to. Ozzie has not been great so far this season - I am by no means denying that. It is, however, very evident that everyone on the Red Wings defense (including Lidstrom) is not playing up to their typical standards. Giving up 30-40 shots per game is not acceptable, regardless of whichever goalie the Red Wings have in net. Dom was never facing the number of shots that the Red Wings defense is giving up so far this season. There really is a big difference. Either way, everyone needs to step up on defense. Kronwall and Stuart have not been good at all defensively. Lebda is Lebda. There is room for improvement all the way around (including Ozzie). It's just convenient for people to point fingers at the goalie first when everything isn't going as planned. Edited October 30, 2008 by GoWings1905 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 The Oz defenders keep citing the defense being crappy, but if you want to be a goalie in the NHL you have to be able to steal a few bad calls or no. The Hawks have had a real shady D for the last few years, and Bulin still kept em' in a lot of games. Moral of the story is, Oz needs to start playing better or he needs to get benched. Not like we had a problem doing it to Dom last year... I'm most certainly not an "Oz defender", but Bulin blew *way* more games for the Hawks against the Wings then he kept them in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordie Howe hat trick 110 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 I'm mos certainly not an "Oz defender", but Bulin blew *way* more games for the Hawks against the Wings then he kept them in. I was talking in general, not with just the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsZR2 1 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 Maybe we should stop giving the other team 2-3 5 on 3's a game. It hasn't even been short 5 on 3's, it seems like as soon as someone goes to the box someone else decides they want to join them right away, like they're having a ******* tea party or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 Not when you do it in OT, we should have won in regulation. Going down to a shootout doesn't constitute stealing a game. A win is a win is a win, unless you don't like the way it was won? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imawingnut 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2008 Apparently you didn't watch the game last night. Osgood kept them in the good. He made at least 3 or 4 phenomenal saves on point-blank shots last night. Penalties killed us last night and the defense is giving other teams great scoring chances. Osgood is fine, but the goalie will always be the scapegoat in Detroit... no matter how much evidence is to the contrary thank you for noting that as I was starting to lose faith in mankind. 2 5 on 3's and another shot in off lilja's skate as happened with the captain the other night plus the o.t. goAL BATTED IN OUT OF THE AIR AFTER HE MAKES A GREAT SAVE. give your head a shake and lay off Ozzie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
