Osgood/Conklin same as last years Hasek/Osgood

[Greatness=PavelDatsyuk 65]

From the way this season has started, the goal tending is looking very similar to last year

Last Year: Hasek has a shaky start, Osgood plays some of the best hockey of his life

This Year: Osgood has a shaky start, Conklin plays some of the best hockey of his life

I don't know what it is, but it seems like the "backup" plays better than the"starter"

[Drake_Marcus 890]

From the way this season has started, the goal tending is looking very similar to last year

Last Year: Hasek has a shaky start, Osgood plays some of the best hockey of his life

This Year: Osgood has a shaky start, Conklin plays some of the best hockey of his life

I don't know what it is, but it seems like the "backup" plays better than the"starter"

Well that could be a good thing next year if the trend holds and Howard suddenly plays like an NHL starter in his rookie season!

[GoWings1905 2,694]

It's way too early for this goalie comparison.

Conklin has been good so far this season.

Ozzie is going to be our number one goalie when it matters.

Edited November 24, 2008 by GoWings1905

[#19=Legend 29]

and this needed another thread why?.......

[po-GoWings 1]

unless he gets lit up the first 2 playoff games????

[Aeothe Kaear 0]

The only difference is the absence of the angry mob hating on Osgood like Hasek received last year.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Hasek's screwing up was his fault, and although Osgood can definitely pick up his game, there have been many games where our defense didn't show up to play, and this is still somewhat of an issue.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Hasek's screwing up was his fault, and although Osgood can definitely pick up his game, there have been many games where our defense didn't show up to play, and this is still somewhat of an issue.

Very true. The defense has been getting better of late, which is a good sign.

[Outsider 42]

The only difference is the absence of the angry mob hating on Osgood like Hasek received last year.

As "badly" as the stats make it appear that Osgood is playing, he's playing WORLDS better than Dom was playing to begin last Season.

Not to mention the fact that the Defense was solid during Hasek's "slump" last year, whereas the Defense has been downright awful in most games this year.

Big difference.

[Anomalously 0]

It's like this most years.

Osgood 8-1-3 3.29 .881

Conklin 6-1-0 2.41 .918 [better numbers]

Hasek 27-10-3 2.14 .902

Osgood 27-9-4 2.09 .914 [better numbers]

Hasek 38-11-6 2.05 .913 [better numbers]

Osgood 11-3-6 2.38 .907

Osgood 20-6-5 2.76 .897

Legace 37-8-3 2.19 .915 [better numbers]

Hasek 8-3-2 2.20 .907

Joseph 16-10-3 2.39 .909

Legace 23-10-5 2.12 .920 [best numbers]

Joseph 34-19-6-3 2.49 .912

Legace 14-5-4 2.18 .925 [better numbers]

Hasek 41-15-8-3 2.17 .915 [better numbers]

Legace 10-6-2-1 2.42 .911

Osgood 25-19-4-3 2.69 .903

Legace 24-5-5-1 2.05 .920 [better numbers]

Six of the past eight years the perceived backup at the start of the year has had better numbers than the starter at the end [or at this point in the case of this season] of year.

[eva unit zero 271]

Six of the past eight years the perceived backup at the start of the year has had better numbers than the starter at the end [or at this point in the case of this season] of year.

Five. Osgood returned to the team as Legace's backup, remember?

[Anomalously 0]

He was re-signed to "compete." Until Osgood was injured in camp, a lot of people thought there was no way that the Wings were going to make the number 1 goaltender a guy who was unproven as a starter. At worst, it's five of seven years, with the year in question not counting.

[Outsider 42]

He was re-signed to "compete." Until Osgood was injured in camp, a lot of people thought there was no way that the Wings were going to make the number 1 goaltender a guy who was unproven as a starter. At worst, it's five of seven years, with the year in question not counting.

You're right, Anomalously. On all counts. Many thought it was insanity to take a chance on the career back-up, when there was a Cup winning Starter on the bench. They were shouted down by those who pointed out that the career back-up was posting "much better" regular season stats than the Cup winning Starter, using this as justification for staying with the career back-up as the #1, and backing it up with "Babcock obviously agrees with me."

Worked out well during the regular season, (as we all knew it would).

Not so much so in the Post-Season, however.

[The Mule 0]

Fine by me. Healthy competition can do nothing but good for the competitors involved.

[Icesurfer 75]

So does that mean Conklin will be the number one goalie in the playoffs?????

[interminded 1]

So does that mean Conklin will be the number one goalie in the playoffs?????

It's november now.

The playoffs are in april...

That's a long ways away.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

The only difference is the absence of the angry mob hating on Osgood like Hasek received last year.

Zero angry mobs is a good thing...

[Dabura 12,232]

I feel more comfortable with Conklin in net than I did with Hasek last season.

Edited November 24, 2008 by Dabura

[VM1138 1,921]

I feel more comfortable with Conklin in net than I did with Hasek last season.

I agree, we're in a much better position goaltending-wise.

Our defense was terrible early on thsi season. Osgood has only let in a few goals that he should have stopped. Other than that he's been outstanding as usual, making huge saves.

As long as Conklin and Ozzie get along, competition between them can only help.

[Dabura 12,232]

Our defense was terrible early on thsi season.

Pretty much the whole season thus far. And yet, the 'minding has still been good. I think when the D finally starts to click and find its groove, I'm going to be that much happier about our situation between the pipes.

[puckloo39 5,686]

I think there is some selective memory going on around here. What else is new? Hovering around the .800's sv%age, bottom of the league was a crime last year, but it's acceptable this season. The D wasn't good in front of Dom last season on quite a few occasions, but there was no quarter then, and it's forgotten now. He still managed to somehow win half the games on the way to the Cup.

The good thing is that the mob mentality here will never be as vicious where Ozzie's concerned as it was in regard to Dom. It wasn't appropriate last season and it's not now, either.

If Ozzie doesn't pick it up, I am confident in Conklin.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Hasek's screwing up was his fault, and although Osgood can definitely pick up his game, there have been many games where our defense didn't show up to play, and this is still somewhat of an issue.

Exactly.

This thread overlooks that the team in front of them is not the same as it was last year.

Last season the team was really solid defensively, even early in the season, and Hasek struggled.

This season the team is struggling defensively and Ozzy is struggling a little in net. He's been okay, not great. I wouldn't fault him for many goals really, but it'd be nice if he could step up to help stabilize this team a little as they're struggling to find their defensive form.

Just in case people have selective memory about how this team played defensively in front of Hasek while he struggled. here's some SOG through November when he was really struggling.

15 SOG 2 GA

27 SOG 3 GA

20 SOG 2 GA

29 SOG 3 GA

28 SOG 5 GA

16 SOG 1 GA

12 SOG 4 GA

16 SOG 4 GA

29 SOG 3 GA

Ozzy has started 2 games where the Wings held an opponent to fewer than 20 shots. He's also started 5 games where the opponent had 30 or more SOG.

Comparing the start of last season to this season isn't apples to apples. The team in front of the goaltender is playing much different.

Edited November 24, 2008 by haroldsnepsts

[OsGOD 3]

meh its not the same at all

i think our goalie tandem (if you can call it that right now) is better this season than last

As for the this season... both goalies have 1 regular loss. We're kool like cool-aid!

we are playing s***ty defensively and still cranking out the all important points early.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I think there is some selective memory going on around here. What else is new? Hovering around the .800's sv%age, bottom of the league was a crime last year, but it's acceptable this season. The D wasn't good in front of Dom last season on quite a few occasions, but there was no quarter then, and it's forgotten now. He still managed to somehow win half the games on the way to the Cup.

The good thing is that the mob mentality here will never be as vicious where Ozzie's concerned as it was in regard to Dom. It wasn't appropriate last season and it's not now, either.

If Ozzie doesn't pick it up, I am confident in Conklin.

It's not even remotely similar situations. Ozzie and Conklin are both facing far more shots each game than Dom ever did last season. The Red Wings are consistently giving up 30 or more shots per game - a number Hasek faced just once last season. The defense was nowhere near as bad in front of Hasek as it has been for Ozzie this year. I only remember a handful of games at best (one in particular against Chicago) that the Red Wings defense ever played poorly with Hasek in goal. Dom managed to win most of his games because the defense was so damn good in front of him.

Ozzie hasn't been great yet this season, but he'll get better, as will the defense. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Edited November 24, 2008 by GoWings1905

[puckloo39 5,686]

It's not even remotely similar situations. Ozzie and Conklin are both facing far more shots each game than Dom ever did last season. The Red Wings are consistently giving up 30 or more shots per game - a number Hasek faced just once last season. The defense was nowhere near as bad in front of Hasek as it has been for Ozzie this year. I only remember a handful of games at best (one in particular against Chicago) that the Red Wings defense ever played poorly with Hasek in goal. Dom managed to win most of his games because the defense was so damn good in front of him.

Ozzie hasn't been great yet this season, but he'll get better, as will the defense. You're comparing apples to oranges.

It's not worth arguing since I am completely outnumbered here now... but Dom would have been better off seeing more shots, if history is a teacher.

The D was bad in front of Hasek in more than one game, including several holiday game stinkers (Thanksgiving and New Years Day, to name a couple, where the entire team didn't show up with the exception of Hasek) and the Anaheim "freak show" penalty parade really stands out, with breakaways, 2-1s and worse. We won't even count the number of goals Hasek had against him off the netting and kicked in by his own players. Hasek only "lost" a handful of games, and he wasn't in it alone. That's all.

I am just saying that the focus last season was on Dom's horrific numbers, yet Ozzie's are no better this season. They both won games, despite poor numbers on the scoresheet.

If Ozzie doesn't get better (and I suspect he will), they win anyway so it's fine.

Edited November 24, 2008 by puckloo39