Wings_Rule_1010 4 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 Cleary My thought exactly. I may be biased (since he is my favorite player), but he has been playing really well since his return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RWK23 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 Ummm... maybe the one he's had for years? Pavel somebody? How do you pull it off though, assuming complete health? The first two lines pretty easy as you could do something like this: Datsyuk - Zetterberg - Holmstrom Franzen - Filppula - Hossa But, then you have to form two lines using these six players (Cleary, Draper, Hudler, Kopecky, Maltby, Samuelsson). I'm having trouble creating any lines where the styles of play mesh with the others. Cleary - Draper - Maltby was a good line for us in the playoffs, but I don't like the idea of Kopecky centering Hudler and Samuelsson. I'd REALLY like a Hudler - Helm - Samuelsson line though. I think that would be very interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casey 145 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 Assuming complete health? ZDH Franzen-Fil-Hossa Hudler-Maltby/Helm-Samuelsson Cleary-Draper-Kopecky Maltby's able to clear waivers, so Helm could be brought as needed. 2 power lines, one grind, one speed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adtthosa 5 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 We played pretty well tonight. No idea how Vancouver managed 5 goals. Good to get the win, nice game by Hudler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DyingAlive 27 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 Good win tonight, still need to work on holding leads, but that will come. Can anyone put up the Derek Meech goal on youtube? It was a pretty one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 (edited) Zetterberg looks completely lost out there... Like someone suggested he needs a puck carrier on his like. Right now he is getting no help from his linemates. At least, we need to try to demote Samuelsson to the third line. What is about Leino? Scoring's not an issue this year. Unless you blame any of the goals against on Z, then, in the face of a 6 goal output, I say leave Z where he is. A 60 point season for Hank in a contract year wouldn't hurt this team in negotiations. Plus, Zetterberg's still amazing, and he's been working hard. Did anyone else think that Franzen just dialed it in tonight. No work ethic it seemed. edit: grammar Edited December 5, 2008 by rick zombo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 Babs interestingly noted that Z's line was pretty quiet after the game. I wonder if he'll make a few changes, I doubt it though and why would he after we just scored 6 goals? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 i miss the zetterberg datsyuk and holmstrom line. they played amazing together. a win's a win, but i still feel a bit....weird after this one. still a good win though! rock on rex and cleary! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RusDRW 155 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 Did anyone else think that Franzen just dialed it in tonight. No work ethic it seemed. I noticed that too. That's why I'm saying Zeta gets close to zero support from his linemates. I know that scoring is not an issue this season. But our second line is supposed to score goals anyway. Otherwise, we are not going deep into the play-offs. Past two-three games they did not even create scoring chances, just floating around. Complete lack of chemistry as it looks to me. Soon it may turn to complete lack of motivation. Meanwhile, Zeta is the only one who still has some on that line now. My solution. Send Samuelsson to the third line, reunite ZDH line, let Fil center Franzen and Hossa. Why not to try at least something? We cannot continue as it is right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 Well, it was a close one by the looks of things, but as per usual, a win is a win. I didn't get a chance to catch this one on TV, but I saw the highlights, and I'm curious about a couple of things I noticed. How was Ozzie? It's obvious five goals against isn't anything to write home about, but the Canucks seemed to catch some lucky breaks, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt before someone chimes in. Was his play below par tonight, or were there an abundance of defensive collapses again? Would someone care to summarize the game for me? On another note, it was great to see Hudlum keep the ball rolling, and we should all love seeing Cleary getting back on track. They are both very underrated players in their own right, and in my opinion, crucial parts of this team's success. Well, that's all for now. I'm looking forward to Saturday's game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeWasabi 109 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 The first goal surprised Ozzy, as Lids made a great poke check and unfortunately it wound up perfectly on Pyatt's stick for a very quick shot. Ozzy had no chance, deep in his crease against the rush. Second goal was weak, he didn't cover the post tightly enough and Wellwood zeroed it right in on him. Third one was a result of the live boards, missed shot landed right on Raymond's stick and all he had to do was get it on net. Fourth one was a knuckleball that handcuffed Ozzy up high, not much he could do to prevent a rebound, but the puck basically went through a Wing defender and on Henrik Sedin's stick. The last one was deflected twice, I think, not much he could do about THAT one either. Overall, the second goal was the only one he probably should have had. The other four were pretty much bad breaks and Vancouver did a good job of converting on all of their lucky bounces. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 The first goal surprised Ozzy, as Lids made a great poke check and unfortunately it wound up perfectly on Pyatt's stick for a very quick shot. Ozzy had no chance, deep in his crease against the rush. Second goal was weak, he didn't cover the post tightly enough and Wellwood zeroed it right in on him. Third one was a result of the live boards, missed shot landed right on Raymond's stick and all he had to do was get it on net. Fourth one was a knuckleball that handcuffed Ozzy up high, not much he could do to prevent a rebound, but the puck basically went through a Wing defender and on Henrik Sedin's stick. The last one was deflected twice, I think, not much he could do about THAT one either. Overall, the second goal was the only one he probably should have had. The other four were pretty much bad breaks and Vancouver did a good job of converting on all of their lucky bounces. Well, that clears that up. Thanks for the summary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 (edited) Yet another abysmal performance by Osgood. 5 goals on 25 shots? lol that's not even AHL calibre goalie Nick is looking like Norrisnick again though Edited December 5, 2008 by Reds4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 I truly don't understand what Kopecky is bringing to this team right now. He is big, but not overly physical. Hands of stone. Can't skate with the puck. Not exceptional defensively. He was on one of the first power plays and I was screaming inside, why???? Can someone explain why he is getting so good of a look? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 Assuming complete health? ZDH Franzen-Fil-Hossa Hudler-Maltby/Helm-Samuelsson Cleary-Draper-Kopecky Maltby's able to clear waivers, so Helm could be brought as needed. 2 power lines, one grind, one speed. How is he waiver exempt? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow47 1 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 The first goal surprised Ozzy, as Lids made a great poke check and unfortunately it wound up perfectly on Pyatt's stick for a very quick shot. Ozzy had no chance, deep in his crease against the rush. Second goal was weak, he didn't cover the post tightly enough and Wellwood zeroed it right in on him. Third one was a result of the live boards, missed shot landed right on Raymond's stick and all he had to do was get it on net. Fourth one was a knuckleball that handcuffed Ozzy up high, not much he could do to prevent a rebound, but the puck basically went through a Wing defender and on Henrik Sedin's stick. The last one was deflected twice, I think, not much he could do about THAT one either. Overall, the second goal was the only one he probably should have had. The other four were pretty much bad breaks and Vancouver did a good job of converting on all of their lucky bounces. Sick, just sick. This unreal Osgood love affair is over...I think it must be the "fans" with the Cup hangover. Ozzy has been one of the worst tenders in the league all year, and isn't improving. He can't stop anything, any goal against someone can find excuses for, but c'mon folks, 5 goals allowed on 25 shots is inexcusable considering that sort of percentage is normal most nights with him in net. It's about time we all move on as objective followers of the sport and admit that this guy doesn't have it the slightest bit right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
digitaljohn88 4 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 (edited) Sick, just sick. This unreal Osgood love affair is over...I think it must be the "fans" with the Cup hangover. Ozzy has been one of the worst tenders in the league all year, and isn't improving. He can't stop anything, any goal against someone can find excuses for, but c'mon folks, 5 goals allowed on 25 shots is inexcusable considering that sort of percentage is normal most nights with him in net. It's about time we all move on as objective followers of the sport and admit that this guy doesn't have it the slightest bit right now. It's easy for us to give him more time, because we're still winning with him in net. If he doesn't improve, it would be a good idea to look at other options. Edited December 5, 2008 by digitaljohn88 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 As an aside though and it doesn't hurt me to say this too much; I think one of the best players on the wings tonight was Sammy, he must have been reading these boards lol He was go go go all game and didn't make any glaring mistakes and not once did i yell "F#@^ YOU SAMMY" at the tv. I was very pleasantly surprised, If he keeps it up I might have to change my tune on him a bit. Agreed, Sammy has been playing exceptionally well all season. So well that I've taken him off my "willing to trade for..." lists. He's a good addition to the team, even if his shots always seem to hit the chest protectors. He's solid defensively and brings a lot of jump. As for secondary scoring, I don't think we should worry. Last year we had zero depth offensively it seemed like, and then came the playoffs and everyone was contributing. That will come with a team this talented. If our defense can hold the line, I think you'll see everyone, including Ozzie, improve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 I truly don't understand what Kopecky is bringing to this team right now. He is big, but not overly physical. Hands of stone. Can't skate with the puck. Not exceptional defensively. He was on one of the first power plays and I was screaming inside, why???? Can someone explain why he is getting so good of a look? His heads-up pass to Huds for the first goal? In fact, the Kopecky-Hudler-Flipper line looked good all night IMO. Hands of stone? C'mon man. He ain't THAT bad. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 HEY GUYS HOWD WE DO ALREADY!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Law 15 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 Jekyl and Hyde continues....at least its a win. I would like to see a little shake up in top two lines. Maybe something like this. Cleary - Pav - Franzen Hossa - Z - Holmstrom Hudler - Flip - Sammy Maltby - Draper - Kopy Z is having issues because neither Franzen nor Sammy can really carry into the zone, at certain points teams just stick two or three on him and he's forced to dump it. Part of his success with Pav was the simple fact that you couldn't double or triple up on any of them because they are good enough to get to the other guy and then one on one its lights out. Hossa can carry and with Homer in front it could be serious trouble for the opposition. Franzen lately has been playing the perimeter and wanting to shot, with Pav feeding him passes and Cleary doing the dirty work I could see where that line would work. Who knows though, line combos are interesting because you almost have to see them before you know if they will work out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 His heads-up pass to Huds for the first goal? In fact, the Kopecky-Hudler-Flipper line looked good all night IMO. Hands of stone? C'mon man. He ain't THAT bad. esteef I have to admit I thought about that after posting. Yes, beautiful pass. But when you see him work in the corners, stuff like that, I just don't see it. So we are keeping him around for one pass? (JUST KIDDING) Isn't there someone else in the minors that is a better puck handler and faster skater? I just don't see why him and not Abdelkater (Who is also big), or any of the others that are waiting to come up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenrikRules40 14 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 Jekyl and Hyde continues....at least its a win. I would like to see a little shake up in top two lines. Maybe something like this. Cleary - Pav - Franzen Hossa - Z - Holmstrom Hudler - Flip - Sammy Maltby - Draper - Kopy Z is having issues because neither Franzen nor Sammy can really carry into the zone, at certain points teams just stick two or three on him and he's forced to dump it. Part of his success with Pav was the simple fact that you couldn't double or triple up on any of them because they are good enough to get to the other guy and then one on one its lights out. Hossa can carry and with Homer in front it could be serious trouble for the opposition. Franzen lately has been playing the perimeter and wanting to shot, with Pav feeding him passes and Cleary doing the dirty work I could see where that line would work. Who knows though, line combos are interesting because you almost have to see them before you know if they will work out. *drool* Also, as someone mentioned above, I noticed Babs commented on Hank's line being quiet. You know how Babs used to say if someone wasn't doing well he'd just stick him on Z's line? Now I'm no Sammy hater but I'm just saying...ever since Z has been stuck with Sammy...just saying... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 I have to admit I thought about that after posting. Yes, beautiful pass. But when you see him work in the corners, stuff like that, I just don't see it. So we are keeping him around for one pass? (JUST KIDDING) Isn't there someone else in the minors that is a better puck handler and faster skater? I just don't see why him and not Abdelkater (Who is also big), or any of the others that are waiting to come up? Honestly, I think Kopecky has looked pretty damn good lately. He could hit a little more but he IS hitting, I thought he looked good on the top line with Dats and Hossa (who wouldn't right?), he had some good tips and redirects on the puck a la Homer, as well as some good passing abilities. He's coming around I think but he needs to drop the gloves a few times. He used to do it and it just disappeared. Still, as good as he's looked lately, he's still the most expendible forward so far. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted December 5, 2008 OMG that was a fun as hell game to go to! I love the high scoring games... so far the it was just like the Pens/Wings game i was at except it didn't go to OT and they one Had upper bowl seats and then moved down to row 4 next to the the canucks bench... what a night! have some great shots i wil post in a thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
