Osgood proves he doesn't deserve No. 1 spot

[Wingsallwin 0]

People here blamed me about that I keep saying Osgood should not be our first starting goalie. So, I write this by expecting many people's fingering on me.

First, Osgood sucks. I liked him last season but this season I never seen him to struggle like this as I watched many of his career games. Some people here jus told me 'let's just wait'. Ok, the time has gone almost 50 games and Osgood is still not improving. As I said, if Osgood does not turn back to his prime again like the last season, he should not be our starting goalie regardless what some miraculous saves he makes. If Goalie allows like 3 or 4 goals every game, no player with that goalie can trust the goalie. And we cannot go far in the playoff with a terrible goalie.

What I have been looking at this site and realized when Osgood allows goals, some people just say "that's is not Osgood's fault, defenses allowed a breakaway". I do not disagree about that. Then, can you guys say Osgood is a good goalie? I assume you watched the game against the Stars tonight. And you might see some good saves Turco made even though he was terrible in JLA throughout his all career. That's the difference maker. Why is there goalie in the net? I take some good deflections but he has no intensity anymore. Am I the only guy who feel scared when Osgood is in the net and never expect the game will be 2 goal games?

Like the Sharks game, I did not say Nabokov was that good but he made key saves like breakaway from Datsyuk and Cleary.

It is not even the first time Osgood allows around 4 goals. Told before, stats do not lie for goalies. It may make people angry but any starting goalie who is in one of the top 3 temas in the league and if he has save percentage lower than 900 and GAA is more than 3.00, that is ridiculous.

Everygame when Osgood is in the net, we have to expect the Wings score more than 4 or 5 goals. That's absolutely a brutal way to win even though points are good. That should not happen in the playoffs.

Personally, I will just send Osgood to AHL and test Larsson. I don't expect Osgood will bounce back to his games this season unless our defenses allow only 10 shots every game.

Edited January 30, 2009 by Wingsallwin

[ComradeWasabi 109]

I give him a little more credit than it sounds like you do, but I think Osgood has had plenty of time to show that he is the same goalie he was last year and it is painfully obvious that he has failed to do so. Regardless of the quality or quantity of the scoring chances we give up, he simply has to be better.

[Yak19 303]

I will continue to defend Ozzie, he WILL show up in the playoffs for us and play big when it REALLY matters. Ozzie has earned my trust through his play in the Red Wings uniform, idk about everyone else on here but I trust him in the playoffs.

Edited January 30, 2009 by Yak19

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

I'm a big Ozzie fan, but he's gotta step it up.

He appeared to be resurgent after he came back from injury, but he's falling by the wayside again. That said, he didn't have a chance on two of the three goals he gave up tonight.

[Statts 4]

I will continue to defend Ozzie, he WILL show up in the playoffs for us and play big when it REALLY matters. Ozzie has earned my trust through his play in the Red Wings uniform, idk about everyone else on here but I trust him in the playoffs.

Agree with you 100%

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Sorry, Osgood had little/no chance on any of the goals given up tonight. Changing the goalies was less on Osgood tonight and more on spaarking the team.

That being said, we're stuck with the goaltenders we got for better or worse. And I am fine with that if the Wings can play close to a complete 60 minutes of a game as possible. You don't really need the goalies to come up big then.

As for the goalies themselves, it'll work itself out a lot like the Osgood-Hasek tandem last year. Probably will be a lot like that to close this season out in all likelihood.

[Doc Holiday 0]

When in doubt, blame Osgood.

Would make for a catchy new banner.

[the_winged_wheel 3]

enough said

[Cern 0]

enough said

With all due respect, riding off of last year's success is going to make you wind up like the Ducks

[Drake_Marcus 890]

People here blamed me about that I keep saying Osgood should not be our first starting goalie. So, I write this by expecting many people's fingering on me.

First, Osgood sucks. I liked him last season but this season I never seen him to struggle like this as I watched many of his career games. Some people here jus told me 'let's just wait'. Ok, the time has gone almost 50 games and Osgood is still not improving. As I said, if Osgood does not turn back to his prime again like the last season, he should not be our starting goalie regardless what some miraculous saves he makes. If Goalie allows like 3 or 4 goals every game, no player with that goalie can trust the goalie. And we cannot go far in the playoff with a terrible goalie.

What I have been looking at this site and realized when Osgood allows goals, some people just say "that's is not Osgood's fault, defenses allowed a breakaway". I do not disagree about that. Then, can you guys say Osgood is a good goalie? I assume you watched the game against the Stars tonight. And you might see some good saves Turco made even though he was terrible in JLA throughout his all career. That's the difference maker. Why is there goalie in the net? I take some good deflections but he has no intensity anymore. Am I the only guy who feel scared when Osgood is in the net and never expect the game will be 2 goal games?

Like the Sharks game, I did not say Nabokov was that good but he made key saves like breakaway from Datsyuk and Cleary.

It is not even the first time Osgood allows around 4 goals. Told before, stats do not lie for goalies. It may make people angry but any starting goalie who is in one of the top 3 temas in the league and if he has save percentage lower than 900 and GAA is more than 3.00, that is ridiculous.

Everygame when Osgood is in the net, we have to expect the Wings score more than 4 or 5 goals. That's absolutely a brutal way to win even though points are good. That should not happen in the playoffs.

Personally, I will just send Osgood to AHL and test Larsson. I don't expect Osgood will bounce back to his games this season unless our defenses allow only 10 shots every game.

The English language weeps for the pain you've inflicted upon it.

[Casey 145]

I will continue to defend Ozzie, he WILL show up in the playoffs for us and play big when it REALLY matters. Ozzie has earned my trust through his play in the Red Wings uniform, idk about everyone else on here but I trust him in the playoffs.

Agreed.

That said, Conks has to be the starting goalie for a while. If I didn't know better, I would lay money on Ozzie having some kind of injury- he's blowing saves that were second nature to him last year. Something is different between his ears. When his confidence is there, there's no one else I want between the pipes. Right now his confidence is shot, and it shows in his play.

There's no way to send him to the AHL for a while, is there? I thought he'd have to clear waivers, which he would in all likelihood not do. It would almost be worth putting him on IR for 10 games, and bringing up Larsson or Howard and see how they do.

[TheCaptain19 49]

ozzie is fine. tonight wasn't his fault.

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

Sigh........ Osgood........... this is getting old quick

[KrazyGangsta 79]

ozzie is fine. tonight wasn't his fault.

It's never his fault. Don't say defensmen didn't do there job bla bla bla. Well that's why there's the goalie. So he could stop what the defensmen can't. If the Defense could do everything, why we even dressing a goalie for?

Osgood is responsible for all the goals he let in.

Let's make this clear, I love Osood but I'm honnest guy and I don't let my favorite player get in the way of the truth.

This year up to now HE SUCKS, HAS BEEN PLAYING TERRIBLE / IS PLAYING TERRIBLE ... don't know if he will play like this in the playoffs.

Conklin is playing much better then he is now so I rather go with him. End of story

[cboth686 0]

The English language weeps for the pain you've inflicted upon it.

^^^^ ROTFLMAO ^^^^^

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

Good post KG

[KrazyGangsta 79]

Thanks NRS

Edited January 30, 2009 by KrazyGangsta

[Yzerman191 37]

First of all, I'm thinking English isn't the OP's native language, so there's really no need to make fun of him. If you've ever tried, it's extremely difficult to master two languages.

Second of all, I'm in agreement with KG here. While I don't hold Osgood responsible for every goal, he needs to step it up. I'm so tired of seeing people say "the defense didn't show up" whenever Osgood is in net; I honestly don't remember a loss this year where Ozzie let in 4+ goals and people weren't blaming the defense regardless of his play. Does that mean Osgood hasn't been at fault yet this year? I beg to differ. The goalie is there for when the defense makes a mistake, and you expect your goalie to make the majority of those saves. And while he has come up with some huge saves this season, he's let in a good amount of softies too.

I'm also tired of people riding Osgood's success from last year. He was great last season, and absolutely stellar in the playoffs. But I'll state the obvious here: it's a new season, and a new Osgood. At what point does Babcock stop his blind faith in Osgood when he falters time and time again? Maybe about the time he stopped his faith in Hasek last year, should that happen again.

Let me end this post with a disclaimer: I have nothing against Osgood. I would like nothing more than for Osgood to regain his form from last season, picking up right where he left off. But until Osgood proves he's capable of being the starting goalie for this team, put Conklin in there to start the big games and put Osgood in when Conks needs the rest. Give him something to work for.

Edited January 30, 2009 by Yzerman191

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

I hate the constant goalie threads around because they are usually created with reason and just wish Osgood would return back to his playoff form. Luckily we have Conklin who has shown that he is capable of filling in quite nicely last year in Pittsburgh and this year in Detroit. I hope we turn him into #1 sooner rather than later, if he faults hopefully Osgood can pull off what he did last April.

[Seraph 240]

I am in between both camps. Osgood is a proven goalie in my mind. I will admit I was a skeptic before, but I have never felt so confident in a goalie in the playoffs as I did when Osgood stepped in. He was a man on a mission. I am sure he still has it in him. On the other hand, he needs to take more responsibility for his game. Sure, we can't expect him to go out and steal every game, but I'd like to see him make an honest try. I want to see him frustrate the other team and get in their head. I also want to see him bring confidence to his team. He has failed miserably at this so far. It IS concerning. For those of you who have blind faith in him, this is a concession you will have to make. After 50 games, we haven't seen the elite play we saw last year. But to compliment your judgment, we must not abandon him yet. We have two goalies that won't lose it for us, will play solid, and allow our other players compete for the win. By any means there is no reason to panic. If Osgood hasn't stepped up by the playoffs, we'll start him in good hope and pull a switcheroo if he blunders like we did last year, only he'll be on the other end of the stick.

[KrazyGangsta 79]

The thing people don't realise also, is that last year Osgood was having a pretty good season also. It's not like he just went playoffs and boom he got hot. He was hot all year and drove the hot wave threw the playoffs. Now this year his nothing like last season his on a cold wave ... are you sure you want to leave your playoffs hopes to a goalie that hasn't been hot for the season and just hope he becomes hot in the remaining 20-22 games in the playoffs all of a sudden.

Babcock knew Osgood was hot and gave the games to start in playoff.

This year Osgood and Conklin remind me of last year of Hasek and Osgood just that in this year osgood = hasek of last year and conks = last year osgood but a little bit less.

Edited January 30, 2009 by KrazyGangsta

[interminded 1]

People here blamed me about that I keep saying Osgood should not be our first starting goalie. So, I write this by expecting many people's fingering on me.

First, Osgood sucks. I liked him last season but this season I never seen him to struggle like this as I watched many of his career games. Some people here jus told me 'let's just wait'. Ok, the time has gone almost 50 games and Osgood is still not improving. As I said, if Osgood does not turn back to his prime again like the last season, he should not be our starting goalie regardless what some miraculous saves he makes. If Goalie allows like 3 or 4 goals every game, no player with that goalie can trust the goalie. And we cannot go far in the playoff with a terrible goalie.

What I have been looking at this site and realized when Osgood allows goals, some people just say "that's is not Osgood's fault, defenses allowed a breakaway". I do not disagree about that. Then, can you guys say Osgood is a good goalie? I assume you watched the game against the Stars tonight. And you might see some good saves Turco made even though he was terrible in JLA throughout his all career. That's the difference maker. Why is there goalie in the net? I take some good deflections but he has no intensity anymore. Am I the only guy who feel scared when Osgood is in the net and never expect the game will be 2 goal games?

Like the Sharks game, I did not say Nabokov was that good but he made key saves like breakaway from Datsyuk and Cleary.

It is not even the first time Osgood allows around 4 goals. Told before, stats do not lie for goalies. It may make people angry but any starting goalie who is in one of the top 3 temas in the league and if he has save percentage lower than 900 and GAA is more than 3.00, that is ridiculous.

Everygame when Osgood is in the net, we have to expect the Wings score more than 4 or 5 goals. That's absolutely a brutal way to win even though points are good. That should not happen in the playoffs.

Personally, I will just send Osgood to AHL and test Larsson. I don't expect Osgood will bounce back to his games this season unless our defenses allow only 10 shots every game.

Basically, Osgood is somewhat okay if he's on a Stanley Cup winning team, but if the man is struggling you'll drop him like a sack of potatoes.

Nice.

You just be a true fan.

[Mike 0]

All of this faith in Osgood reminds me of all the faith we put in Manny Legace, then the playoffs happened. I hope Osgood can return to form, but as of now he is crap and needs to ride the bench and work on his penmanship.

[dat's sick 1,002]

I'd hate to see us go down 2-0 in the first round of the playoffs because of Ozzie before Babs realizes something is wrong with him.

You can blame the defense all you want, but a defense playing in front of a goalie they can't trust are going to be a lot worse than if they know the goalie does the saves he's supposed to.

If Ozzie doesn't pick it up when we are on a 3 game losing streak, or when we play the no.1 team in our conference, how can we be sure he's going to magically become himself in the playoffs?

Start Conks in a few games, allow the team a chance to bounce back from the losing streak, and have a talk with Ozzie about what's wrong.

Then we can put him in when we're facing some worse teams to begin with, let him regain some confidence. Giving him a big challenge is obviously not jumpstarting him as Babs might have hoped.

I was really worried about Detroit's goalie situation going into last year's playoffs, despite Hasek and Osgood both having great stats.

Now the goalie we're supposed to rely on has some of the worst stats in the league, and our backup has been good, but isn't someone I would like to put my faith in to take us through the playoffs.. The good thing is that there is still time, and my heart tells me Ozzie WILL get better as the playoffs draw near, but the way he's playing right now he's seriously destroying our chances of getting the top spot in the conference, something that might prove extremely important given how much better the Wings have been at home.

[NEEDMOREGRIT 12]

Reminds of when Cujo was here.Seemed like you could always count on him for letting 3 goals in.