RedWingAbner 13 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 To DET: Jason Smith and Chris Neil To OTT: Valtteri Filppula and 3rd Round Pick My thoughts: It is pointless to keep Filppula at $3M hoping he becomes (production wise) what Franzen already is. Essentially, you have an option here-- let him go now and use the "take" to benefit your playoff run, or swap him at the draft for a pick. Let's say Neil and Smith both walk (as they are UFAs). I'm ok with that if it helps us keep Franzen and Hudler while allowing us to roll with some depth in the playoffs. BTW, this is a cap-doable trade, and the incoming (abour $3.9 million) would be allowable if we subtracted Filppula and made this trade close to the cap (it would also, if completed at the deadline, leave about $900k to play with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Honestly, yes I would. Only if Hossa/Franzen re-signing was 100% certain before you made the move, get bigger, tougher, and if you can keep Hossa/Franzen, you dont lose much. I certainly dont think it will happen, but interesting guys to bring up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLWINGSFAN4013 5 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 yes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-Ruff 47 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 I'd lean towards yes... But if it Neil was to be extended before July 1st, It would make it that much easier to pull the trigger on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Yes. Problem with Smith is that he's slow and past his prime. His leadership qualities are an addition to most teams, but not necessary for this team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 No. I love Neil, but Smith is a JOKE now. Hes only a more physical version of Chelios at this point, and he wouldn't see any ice time. I love Smith too, but you're trading Filppula AND a pick, for two UFAs, one of whom will be nothing more than a locker room presence. If we're giving up Filppula and a pick, I'd rather get a guy like Niklas Backstrom or Colby Amstrong coming back the other way, the kind of pick depending on which guy, and then throwing another pick at Neil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Yes. Problem with Smith is that he's slow and past his prime. His leadership qualities are an addition to most teams, but not necessary for this team. That's why I wouldn't do it. There's no room for him on the D... and Neil doesn't provide what Filppula does in the playoffs. Give me someone that's a better penalty killer and can put some more pucks in the net. I like what Neil gives the team but it's not enough for what Filppula's worth long term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 That's why I wouldn't do it. There's no room for him on the D... and Neil doesn't provide what Filppula does in the playoffs. Give me someone that's a better penalty killer and can put some more pucks in the net. I like what Neil gives the team but it's not enough for what Filppula's worth long term. But Helm does. If you trade Filppula, then Helm probably comes up full time and Neil replaces Maltby or Kopecky on the 4th, since we'd have the cap space to scratch guys at ease. Ideally, though, if we're trading Filppula for a forward, a guy like Colby Armstong makes a lot of sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shannyfan1414 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 I'm all for it. Flip has been a major disappointment this season and i have to say that he is on my s*** list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herr Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Whoever can be traded to make room for Hossa, should be traded to make room for Hossa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blueliner 69 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 I'm all for it. Flip has been a major disappointment this season and i have to say that he is on my s*** list. I wouldn't do it. A good player locked up for a few years and a third round pick for two UFA's? Doesn't make much sense to me. Yes, his points are slacking a bit, but he's also playing on the THIRD LINE WITH NO POWERPLAY TIME. Not too many players put up great numbers on the third line. Plus, he is one of the defensive players on the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) To DET: Jason Smith and Chris Neil To OTT: Valtteri Filppula and 3rd Round Pick My thoughts: It is pointless to keep Filppula at $3M hoping he becomes (production wise) what Franzen already is. Essentially, you have an option here-- let him go now and use the "take" to benefit your playoff run, or swap him at the draft for a pick. Let's say Neil and Smith both walk (as they are UFAs). I'm ok with that if it helps us keep Franzen and Hudler while allowing us to roll with some depth in the playoffs. BTW, this is a cap-doable trade, and the incoming (abour $3.9 million) would be allowable if we subtracted Filppula and made this trade close to the cap (it would also, if completed at the deadline, leave about $900k to play with. Yes, Filpulla for grit or something similar would be a good move. We need the Cap space (if that's even how the Cap works), don't need Filpulla so much, and he could help out another team. EDIT: Come to think of it, I wouldn't want Smith or to lose the pick, either. But I'd definitely give up Filpulla for someone similar. Edited February 3, 2009 by VM1138 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NEpats1028 1 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 No. I love Neil, but Smith is a JOKE now. Hes only a more physical version of Chelios at this point, and he wouldn't see any ice time. I love Smith too, but you're trading Filppula AND a pick, for two UFAs, one of whom will be nothing more than a locker room presence. If we're giving up Filppula and a pick, I'd rather get a guy like Niklas Backstrom or Colby Amstrong coming back the other way, the kind of pick depending on which guy, and then throwing another pick at Neil. do you really think the Wild would trade Backstrom to us for Filppula and a pick or 2? They would be absolutly retarted to make that move... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 But Helm does. If you trade Filppula, then Helm probably comes up full time and Neil replaces Maltby or Kopecky on the 4th, since we'd have the cap space to scratch guys at ease. Ideally, though, if we're trading Filppula for a forward, a guy like Colby Armstong makes a lot of sense. That could work better in my mind- at least he's young and has some upside. He's had a misserable season in Atlanta but hell- everyone does (chuck included). Oooo- or maybe that horribly ugly tyler kennedy kid. God damn he's ugly. Like Sandra Oh ugly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 I would do it even if Franzen and Hossa left Detroit. Flip brings nothing to this team, his small weak. Open up 3 million, even if Hossa and Franzen not there we could sign someone good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 I wouldn't do it. A good player locked up for a few years and a third round pick for two UFA's? Doesn't make much sense to me. Yes, his points are slacking a bit, but he's also playing on the THIRD LINE WITH NO POWERPLAY TIME. Not too many players put up great numbers on the third line. Plus, he is one of the defensive players on the team. Hey! You take your logic and well reasoned assumptions and you check them at the door. "More Grit!!!" threads are no place for thoughtful analysis. We play by the gut here. There are more nerves in your gut than in your head. I learned that from Colbert. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 do you really think the Wild would trade Backstrom to us for Filppula and a pick or 2? They would be absolutly retarted to make that move... Do you follow hockey outside of the Wings? Do you know the player the Wild have been lementing giving up? TODD WHITE. Yes, they miss Todd White. In fact, not having Todd White was one of the biggest reasons - if not THE reason - Rolston left the Whild. If Filppula can be anything, he can be the next Todd White. He'd fit in great with the Wild who are getting a crappy year out of PMB and Brunette right now. They'd probably consider Filppula would have similar results to a give like Mietinnen or even Koivu on that team. And the only thing thats retarded here is your ironic spelling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) I'd give a 2nd and Kopecky for Neil -- though that is probably overpaying; I just think he would be a great addition. Edited February 3, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yak19 303 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 No simply because Smith is now worthless. Kopecky, Filpulla, 2nd and 3rd round pick for Spezza. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Spezza. That hack doesn't have the foggiest idea how to play defense. Anyways, the Wings have plenty fo small play-making centers... Like Filppula. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerfan1999 81 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Smith is a liability. You would have to pay ME to have him on my team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 That could work better in my mind- at least he's young and has some upside. He's had a misserable season in Atlanta but hell- everyone does (chuck included). Oooo- or maybe that horribly ugly tyler kennedy kid. God damn he's ugly. Like Sandra Oh ugly. When you look at what Filppula could reasonably land, and what would be a smart return for him, Armstrong makes a ton of sense. Size? Armstrong is 6'2, 195 Youth? 26 Offense? 22 points, same as Flip, but 13 of those are goals, and hes put up 40 points before (in 47 games no less). Physicality? 60 hits so far this year, 85 hits in 72 games last year Contract? 1.2M, RFA this season. Allows the Wings to get their ducks in order before they figure out how much they can spend on their depth, and they can take him to arbitration. And I don't know what kind of shot he has, but he IS a right-handed shooter. So he could feasibly take over Samuelsson's role in every sense. Then the Wings could probably role a 3rd line of Armstrong - Helm - Cleary next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Smith is a liability. You would have to pay ME to have him on my team. He really is brutal anymore. I wouldn't want him on the ice over Chelios, let alone anyone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yak19 303 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 That hack doesn't have the foggiest idea how to play defense. Anyways, the Wings have plenty fo small play-making centers... Like Filppula. He would get a quick tune up from the coaches, management and veteran players thus changing his game or he would be flogged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 and hes put up 40 points before (in 47 games no less). Playing on Crosby's wing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
