eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 Sergei Fedorov. Hey, quiet those growls. He's played 33 of Washington's 60 games and scored 6g-17a-23pt, and is +12. Projected over the remaining 22 games, Fedorov would work out to 55GP, 10g-29a-39pt, +20. Projected over a full 82 game season, his numbers work out to 15g-48a-63pt, +30. Stats like that for Fedorov probably put him in the Selke conversation with the way he has played this season and how well Washington has done. I bring this up because he was first star tonight ahead of Alexander Ovechkin when each player had a goal and an assist on the game tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 (edited) Never once thought he was washed up. Based on a lot of posts I've read from you, you seem to think there is some huge anti-Fedorov contingent on these boards. Which is odd since I've rarely seen anything but good things written about him here. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that Fedorov is a solid NHL player nowadays. Edited February 23, 2009 by Broken 16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 At one point, projected over a full season, Aaron Voros was going to win the Art Ross. The truth is, Fedorov has missed 27 games this season. His six goals and 23 points aren't in 33 games aren't too impressive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 Good for Feds. I don't know if this was worth a topic though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 I heard this Fedorov guy was a Red Wing once. Is that true? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 I heard this Fedorov guy was a Red Wing once. Is that true? I beleive so. I heard something similar about that classy looking old bean in your avatar. He looks like a distinguished gentleman I'd love to share a spot of tea with. What's his name again? Mullet + monocle = all class. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earthhuman 8 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 Interestingly, I saw his stats today and realized he may never reach 500 goals. It would be a real shame, but if he doesn't then he has no one to blame but himself. He shouldn't have sat out most of 1998 over something dumb like a contract dispute. He would be very close or past 500 goals at this point. He's still a solid player though, I don't think anybody would argue against that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 (edited) Not too bad, nice for Feds. I've always liked Fedorov ( i had the" Feds vs Dats" thread). Maybe in another thread, somebody with better analytical talent than me, and more time on there hands, please extrapolate the years gone by in Detroit IF Sergie Fedorov never would have left. What line would he be playing on wioth whom now and who would not be here because he would be instead? Group input welcome of course. Surely someone must has some software that we could plug Feds into and it could tell us what would have happenned. (Or is the trade feature on NHL '09 the closest thing to knowing?) LGW Feds Dislcaimer: His years here were great, but now that he's gone, I do like the team we have today very much, without him. Wish him well, but do not need him back. Edited February 23, 2009 by T.Low Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 Interestingly, I saw his stats today and realized he may never reach 500 goals. It would be a real shame, but if he doesn't then he has no one to blame but himself. He shouldn't have sat out most of 1998 over something dumb like a contract dispute. He would be very close or past 500 goals at this point. He's still a solid player though, I don't think anybody would argue against that. he won't make 500. And that sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earthhuman 8 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 he won't make 500. And that sucks. Let that be a lesson to greedy players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 23, 2009 At one point, projected over a full season, Aaron Voros was going to win the Art Ross. The truth is, Fedorov has missed 27 games this season. His six goals and 23 points aren't in 33 games aren't too impressive. Agreed completely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 Interestingly, I saw his stats today and realized he may never reach 500 goals. It would be a real shame, but if he doesn't then he has no one to blame but himself. He shouldn't have sat out most of 1998 over something dumb like a contract dispute. He would be very close or past 500 goals at this point. He's still a solid player though, I don't think anybody would argue against that. It's quite possible he could hit 500 late next season if he stays healthy; he's at 478 right now and his 6g in 33 games pace, he could finish this season with 482; this would be 4g in 22 games. That would require him to score 18 more to hit the mark. He would have to increase his goal-scoring pace next season by about 20% to hit 18 by season's end, but it's definitely doable within the next season. If he were to score at a higher pace in Washington's final 22 games than he has so far, then it's obviously even more realistic a goal. If he scores an average of a goal per game over the rest of the season, then he can retire a 500-goal man at the end of the playoffs. Not to mention he would have 38 goals on the season and at least 55 points, assuming he were to go 22 games without an assist despite playing with shoot-first players in Ovechkin, Semin, and Green. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted February 23, 2009 (edited) Interestingly, I saw his stats today and realized he may never reach 500 goals. It would be a real shame, but if he doesn't then he has no one to blame but himself. He shouldn't have sat out most of 1998 over something dumb like a contract dispute. He would be very close or past 500 goals at this point. He's still a solid player though, I don't think anybody would argue against that. To the bold, this is why he burned his bridges with me, and this wasn't even the ONLY issue that came up that made me dislike the guy on this team. It is merely exemplary of why. So I don't feel bad for him if he doesn't even reach 500. Nonetheless, Sergei's improvement this season is good to see, and I hope he kicks ass with the Caps or whoever he is with later on (if not them). Back in his prime he was exciting to watch, but this season, as someone mentioned earlier, his contributions this season aren't that impressive. I don't miss him as a Red Wing and hope he retires and gets his jersey raised with another team. Edited February 23, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
#19forPresident! 1 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 (edited) Well I guess what should be considered is that Fedorov is still in the league for a reason, because he's one of the best hockey players in the world. Granted that is relatively speaking, within the league he is still a talent and probably more valuable than alot of guys his age, but he's nowhere near what he once was. Also, I don't think the consensus here is that Fedorov is "washed up" persay. If people here attach any negative connotation to him it's probably got a lot more to do with his attitude when he left Detroit and the way he went than a perceived lack of ability. Plus don't forget he's surrounded by a talented lineup over there in Washington, as Red Wings fans we know exactly what its like to watch how a couple of great players can collectively make the larger group of good ones all pick their game up a notch. Edited February 23, 2009 by #19forPresident! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 I really think he'll hit 500 goals (which I would love) but more importantly I think he'll be very valuable for the Caps in their play-off run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 Fedorov is a great player. I know some people don't like him for one reason or another, but I do. Without him, the Wings don't win the cup in 1997, 98, or 02 for that matter. He scored some big goals for the Wings through is career and is doing a good job in Washington. In fact, I catch a lot of the Washington games on my center ice package and I enjoy them a lot. Not as much as the Wings, but the Caps have a high energy style to their game which is fun to watch. Fedorov will probably be in the hall of fame someday. He has deserved it with his play on the ice thats for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowingsgo 3 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 Hope Sergei saved that money he got from the Ducks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted February 23, 2009 It's quite possible he could hit 500 late next season if he stays healthy; he's at 478 right now and his 6g in 33 games pace, he could finish this season with 482; this would be 4g in 22 games. That would require him to score 18 more to hit the mark. He would have to increase his goal-scoring pace next season by about 20% to hit 18 by season's end, but it's definitely doable within the next season. If he were to score at a higher pace in Washington's final 22 games than he has so far, then it's obviously even more realistic a goal. If he scores an average of a goal per game over the rest of the season, then he can retire a 500-goal man at the end of the playoffs. Not to mention he would have 38 goals on the season and at least 55 points, assuming he were to go 22 games without an assist despite playing with shoot-first players in Ovechkin, Semin, and Green. If I were 3 inches taller and 25lbs of muscle heavier, and had NHL calibre talent, I'd be the prototypical power forward playing right wing on an NHL team. But alas, if ifs and butts were.......well, you know the saying. He's still a solid player. And you have made man love for him. Great. I hope he gets to 500 goals. And then promptly retires. As a matter of fact, he can take Crosby with him so we'll never have another Fedorov or Crosby thread again. j/k eva. I think he'll get to 500, a couple more goals this year and a solid season next year will get him there. But he's skating on thin ice as far as injuries go. He's one of the oldest guys in the league. He isn't gonna get any faster, stronger, better, etc....He needs to be surrounded by good players, which he is and I think his goal totals vs assists are indicative of the type of player he can be at this stage of his career. He isn't going to blow past people or bulldoze over them or dangle around 3 guys to score. He's a setup man now for the real goal scorers, AO, Semin, Backstrom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StormJH1 231 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 Not to turn this into a total pro-Sergei/anti-Sergei flame war, but for the people still peed off about the 1998 contract dispute...really? Did you stop rooting for the Red Wings from 1998-2003 because they brought back a "traitor". Did you pretend not to be happy when he gave your organization another half dozen seasons or so and helped win a 3rd Stanley Cup? And for the millionth time, wasn't that "money he got from Anaheim" equal to or less than the money he could've gotten here? It wasn't about money. It was about us sneaking over an 18-year kid from Russia in the dying days of the Cold War, and him not experiencing any other team or home city for over a decade. Plus, he gets dumped by one of the world's hottest women (well, 16-year girl) in favor of Pavel Bure and/or Enrique Iglesias. And for all that, not only do you rip him for wanting a "change of scenery", but some of you want to keep his number out of the rafters or even keep him out of the Hall of Fame. Amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted February 24, 2009 23 in 33 isn't bad, but let's face it, the time to call it quits comes for everybody in any sport, and it is approaching for Fedorov soon. I have little doubt he'll still be an integral part of the Capitals before he retires, but he's no world-beater on the ice anymore on a consistent basis and his time to retire is coming up sooner rather than later. That all being said, I'm glad for Fedorov's time here and what he contributed to the Red Wings on the ice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DuckSoup13 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2009 Federov is still a good player but a 2nd liner at best. He fits in well in Washington b/c he is a mentor to their young russians and supposedly has assumed quite the leadership role there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted February 24, 2009 Not to turn this into a total pro-Sergei/anti-Sergei flame war, but for the people still peed off about the 1998 contract dispute...really? Did you stop rooting for the Red Wings from 1998-2003 because they brought back a "traitor". Did you pretend not to be happy when he gave your organization another half dozen seasons or so and helped win a 3rd Stanley Cup? I would have been perfectly happy if he left. And for the millionth time, wasn't that "money he got from Anaheim" equal to or less than the money he could've gotten here? It wasn't about money. It was about us sneaking over an 18-year kid from Russia in the dying days of the Cold War, and him not experiencing any other team or home city for over a decade. Plus, he gets dumped by one of the world's hottest women (well, 16-year girl) in favor of Pavel Bure and/or Enrique Iglesias. And for all that, not only do you rip him for wanting a "change of scenery", but some of you want to keep his number out of the rafters or even keep him out of the Hall of Fame. Amazing. Actually, I only don't want his number in the JLA rafters. He isn't even close to a career Red Wing. Sorry that I don't go all out for the sob story you presented, but this is also a business. Sergei's screwing around with the Wings during the 2003 contract talk, despite him never wanting to come back, prevented the Wings from possibly signing other free agents earlier (like, when free agency started, before other teams grabbed players up), which is the icing on the cake for me -- bad business, and utterly selfish (from a fan's POV). This sort of selfishness is exactly what some have seen throughout his career and rightfully criticize, so regardless of the sob story, you don't screw your team and fans in this manner. So kinda weird to me that we should show appreciation for a player that didn't show much appreciation himself in playing for this team when 2003 rolled around. Again, I wish him the best with the Caps. Hopefully they retire his number. Don't want to see him ever a Red Wing again though, and no sob story will make me see it otherwise since I have far more respect for the Red Wings than Sergei Fedorov. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted February 24, 2009 I think Crymson and ARice stay hidden and only come out when a Fedorov thread appears. I think Feds owes them money or maybe nailed their daughters or something. Fedorov DID NOT leave for more money. Fedorov is STILL better than half our team (does he fit here, probably not, but he is still better.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
