Martin Brodeur: Great Goalie, Questionable Morals

[Earthhuman 8]

Sure people will comment on it, doesn't mean it's any of their business. It doesn't mean a public figure deserves it.

[Electrophile 3,554]

Certain behaviors deserve public scorn because they're so repugnant.

[RusDRW 155]

He should have thought about that. If I ever get married and my husband decides to dip his quill in another ink pot.....he's going to wish he never laid eyes on me. Hell hath no fury, and all. He's going to wish all I took from him was his money.

We all make mistakes... I'm pretty sure you will not even try to forgive. So do not complain when your potential husband will prefer someone like this

. Edited March 20, 2009 by RusDRW

[Statts 4]

Should of hired himself a hooker. Would have saved him some $$$

[bellarina 1]

He should have thought about that. If I ever get married and my husband decides to dip his quill in another ink pot.....he's going to wish he never laid eyes on me. Hell hath no fury, and all. He's going to wish all I took from him was his money.

A man who cheats on his wife and his kids is no man at all.

[Electrophile 3,554]

We all make mistakes... I'm pretty sure you will not even try to forgive.

That's about right. There is no forgiving that kind of behavior, not in my book. Forgetting to take the trash out is a mistake. Putting a red sock in with the whites is a mistake. Screwing around on your wife is not a mistake.

[Electrophile 3,554]

Should of hired himself a hooker. Would have saved him some $$$

True, but look what it did to Eliot Spitzer.

[I Red Wings I 40]

MMM hookers

[interminded 1]

Who the hell are we to judge and ***** about such a personal matter ?

[Pskov Wings Fan 71]

That's about right. There is no forgiving that kind of behavior, not in my book. Forgetting to take the trash out is a mistake. Putting a red sock in with the whites is a mistake. Screwing around on your wife is not a mistake.

Other opinions include:

1) marriage is an economic union for the purpose of raising children

2) sex does not equate with love

3) throughout the history family meant different things, who is to say which one is better

[Blazer 0]

That's about right. There is no forgiving that kind of behavior, not in my book. Forgetting to take the trash out is a mistake. Putting a red sock in with the whites is a mistake. Screwing around on your wife is not a mistake.

Just to stick to the topic and not let this slip out as a general discussion about marriage / unfaithfulness (which could get ugly). As stated in another post above, apparently Brodeur was separated at the time, do you still think that is the same as cheating on your marriage, as opposed to doing it while you're still together? Marriage in its own right is just a formal statement of your togetherness, separation is a state of removing that formal statement, but the relationship is already over by that time. Doesn't that make it the same as not being together? It surely does in my book. People (atleast here) stay separated for many years, long over due the requirement for official divorce. Shouldn't both of them be able to get on with their lives, it may so happen that his ex-wife was boning around at the same time herself.

Anyways, I think its just insane the amount of money awarded at these decisions, just because you have money, doesn't mean its everyone's right to demand it. Who in the world needs .5 million dollars? Its just as insane as the divorce between Lionel Richie and his former wife. Just as stated earlier in this thread, the ruling is "to maintain a set of lifestyle". Why shouldn't his ex-wife have to do something for society, why shouldn't she be able to buy 10 pairs less shoes in a week.

Its all about perspective, not the state of the case, clearly Brodeur should help out with his biological offspring, but come on, it should be based on both of their total incomes, and what is expected to be enough to support a child. After all if he supports three of them already in his own house, does that show signs of not caring at all. A real father with no morals, ditch their kids, and runs off never having a relationship with them at all.

And as a sidenote to mindfly's clearly off the mark comment, I does have a point in how the rest of the world perceives Americans in general. If you all think its the wrong message, then there's great work to be done to salvage the reputation. IMO I think it has a lot to do with how holy marriage is portrayed to the rest of the world, I'm from Norway, and get to have a front row seat to all that is sent through media. And the message states if interpreted directly that all Americans are blind 100 percent Christians with fanatic faith in all its biblical holyness and marriage is the holiest piece of creation ever created.

Clearly that is wrong. But still, that is the message portrayed. So it does not come to me as any surprise to see a post like that from people outside of North America.

[sureWhyNot 19]

I posted this because he always seemed like such an upstanding guy and I was really shocked that he was the cheating type.

No one is perfect, NHL players included. This isn't much in regards of "morally challenged", I mean was it wrong what he did? Sure, I guess, but then again I wasn't living in their house, their lifes, and don't know what they were going through.

Heck, he looks like a saint compared to so many NBA players getting killed with child supports payments (IE: Jason Caffey who is 34 and according to wikipedia has 10 children by 8 women.)

But ya, I try to not pass judgment in regards to one's personal and more specifically, family life.

[going_top_shelf 6]

I remember reading about this last year and I thought it was funny how the two winningest goaltender in league history have had domestic and marital issues.

[Guest Shoreline]

Brodeur now 2 shutouts away from the record. Questionable if he'll get it this season but certainly next one.

[shoe 165]

for $500 0000 a year I hope he still gets to rock the sister in law in that deal!

[finalfilppula 2]

Is it really necessary to air out a man's dirty laundry? People make mistakes and it's unfortunate. Why do people insist on recalling someone's past only once they have done something great? Give the man his due; he is one of the best goalies in the history of the game. Leave the past in the past. I'm sure he's moved on and so should you. Brodeur is the man!

If only he could have broke the record in a Wings jersey...

exactly. only proves that he's human. lord knows that was in question the way he played some nights.

[Mikeal 60]

exactly. only proves that he's human. lord knows that was in question the way he played some nights.

I agree.

[Vladifan 680]

He chose his profession and he is indeed a public figure. And what he does sure as hell will be aired and talked about. Like it or not, Americans live on that s***, one way or another. He chose to cheat in his marriage, not with just anybody but with his sister-in-law. And whatever his reasons were, his motives were twisted and heobviously thought of nobody but himself, including his children (whom I'm sure he says he loves) and what that might do to them. For a long, long time.

Charles Barkley used to say his life was his own and whether he was a public figure or not he didn't owe anything to his fans or the public. I think he really learned a lot from his DUI and has made amends and apologized - mostly to his friends and family. And he's also found how many true friends he really has which is always a good thing. He was honest about what choices he made and he has moved on.

Then there's MacGuire, Bonds, Clements, Rodriguez, et al. They all had a chance to come clean and make amends and apologize to their fans. Just like Brodeur, instead they choose to stay mired in denial and go right on hurting the people who love them and fans who are in sore need of heroes.

I owe him nothing. Until he figures out what's really important he is a sorry human being.

[syntax 359]

That's some expensive sex.

[DanZ 0]

He chose his profession and he is indeed a public figure. And what he does sure as hell will be aired and talked about. Like it or not, Americans live on that s***, one way or another. He chose to cheat in his marriage, not with just anybody but with his sister-in-law. And whatever his reasons were, his motives were twisted and heobviously thought of nobody but himself, including his children (whom I'm sure he says he loves) and what that might do to them. For a long, long time.

Charles Barkley used to say his life was his own and whether he was a public figure or not he didn't owe anything to his fans or the public. I think he really learned a lot from his DUI and has made amends and apologized - mostly to his friends and family. And he's also found how many true friends he really has which is always a good thing. He was honest about what choices he made and he has moved on.

Then there's MacGuire, Bonds, Clements, Rodriguez, et al. They all had a chance to come clean and make amends and apologize to their fans. Just like Brodeur, instead they choose to stay mired in denial and go right on hurting the people who love them and fans who are in sore need of heroes.

I owe him nothing. Until he figures out what's really important he is a sorry human being.

ya, I agree. If you're a public figure, then your actions will be publicized. It's just the way it goes.

[#19forPresident! 1]

A human being made a mistake? Preposterous!

[Mikeal 60]

Then there's MacGuire, Bonds, Clements, Rodriguez, et al. They all had a chance to come clean and make amends and apologize to their fans. Just like Brodeur, instead they choose to stay mired in denial and go right on hurting the people who love them and fans who are in sore need of heroes.

I owe him nothing. Until he figures out what's really important he is a sorry human being.

HOW can you compare this to them??? He didn't cheat at his sport. Your talking about his personal life. Personal life problems that many average people have.

[Vladifan 680]

HOW can you compare this to them??? He didn't cheat at his sport. Your talking about his personal life. Personal life problems that many average people have.

I'll say it again and then if I haven't made my views clear it's too late anyway. No, he didn't cheat at his sport. If it were steroids, he'd mostly just be hurting himself directly (and ultimately of course, his team's record). Instead, Brodeur - who chose his occupation; who chose to be really good at it and in turn became a hero to millions - deliberately chose to hurt people who really loved him (at one time) and directly hurt a lot more people than just himself. If he wasn't happy in his marriage he should have gotten the hell out of it. Instead, he's bitching because he has to at least pay (heavily) for it monetarily.

Lastly, here's something I found in an email from a friend who's just gone through some life-changing experiences - not all good. And it talks about what we can (hopefully) learn from these experiences.

"And you learn to deal with evil in its most primal state - the ego."

[finalfilppula 2]

I'll say it again and then if I haven't made my views clear it's too late anyway. No, he didn't cheat at his sport. If it were steroids, he'd mostly just be hurting himself directly (and ultimately of course, his team's record). Instead, Brodeur - who chose his occupation; who chose to be really good at it and in turn became a hero to millions - deliberately chose to hurt people who really loved him (at one time) and directly hurt a lot more people than just himself. If he wasn't happy in his marriage he should have gotten the hell out of it. Instead, he's bitching because he has to at least pay (heavily) for it monetarily.

Lastly, here's something I found in an email from a friend who's just gone through some life-changing experiences - not all good. And it talks about what we can (hopefully) learn from these experiences.

"And you learn to deal with evil in its most primal state - the ego."

you don't know what was going through his mind when he decided to cheat on his wife. no one does, except for him. i think as a human he deserves a little bit of grace here as you're speaking strictly from your own experiences. don't spearhead him into a mold that he may not fit. you never know what the true circumstances were. sure, for us it's easy to classify this into a completely black and white situation, but what the hell do we know?

what's more, the act itself is not something that any of us are immune to. everyone has the capacity to royally cheese someone off. it's often that even the best of us will find ourselves in situations that we'd never think we were capable of.

[Electrophile 3,554]

"you don't know what was going through his mind when he decided to cheat on his wife"

No, you're right. We don't. However I think we have a pretty good idea. There are no good reasons to cheat on your spouse. If you can't stand being married to the person anymore and want to boink someone new, get a divorce. That way you can boink away to your heart's content and you're not hurting anyone.

No one has ever denied he's a great talent or a HOF goalie or a legend or any of the superlatives his play rightly deserves. All that good he does on the ice though, doesn't excuse the fact he's a scuzzball.