anthonyn66 89 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 The Red Wings are lazy and they sucktm lmao Meh I don't care what happens I just wanna see a cup repeat. If Osgood does well, then good. If he doesn't, maybe Conklin will do well like Osgood did last year. All I don't like are his comments made in the Sportsnet article, he just seems well overconfident and even cocky. Please Osgood don't struggle :'( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmubronco420 25 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 ok, this is to the guy who posted the big list of goalies with better stats than ozzie. I look at that list and i see JS Giguere just 2-3 spots above ozzie. Is he done too? I definately dont think so. i just think goalies more than any other position in sports are streaky, and not just 10-15 games kind of streaky, i mean they can have bad seasons and yet bounce back. Turco was terrible for the most part for ths year, but is he done? Lets see what ozzie does for the rest of this season and then next year, then we'll talk about replacing him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsallwin 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 ok, this is to the guy who posted the big list of goalies with better stats than ozzie. I look at that list and i see JS Giguere just 2-3 spots above ozzie. Is he done too? I definately dont think so. i just think goalies more than any other position in sports are streaky, and not just 10-15 games kind of streaky, i mean they can have bad seasons and yet bounce back. Turco was terrible for the most part for ths year, but is he done? Lets see what ozzie does for the rest of this season and then next year, then we'll talk about replacing him At least they are better than Osbad. Turco is around .898 and JSG is around .900 still. Besides, they do not put their own gloves into the net Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 25, 2009 At least they are better than Osbad. Turco is around .898 and JSG is around .900 still. Besides, they do not put their own gloves into the net How are your Canucks doing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 Some of y'all are just ridiculous. Ozzie's fine and will be fine. You can quote me on that in June. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 25, 2009 Some of y'all are just ridiculous. Ozzie's fine and will be fine. You can quote me on that in June. Hope you're right, even though betting odds aren't in favor of that. Sufficed to say, no cup and a bunch of douchebags start the "I told you so" s***. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 Here's a thought for all the Ozzie bashers: The goalie with the best odds of being the starting goaltender for the Stanley Cup champions this season is Chris Osgood. Not Martin Brodeur, Roberto Luongo, Steve Mason, Tim Thomas, Evgeni Nabokov, or anyone else you might prefer. Chris Osgood. Ozzie. Tough to swallow that pill? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 Hossa isn't going to go anywhere due to goaltending. Even with the statically worst goaltender in the league, the Wings are still favorites to win the cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 Hope you're right, even though betting odds aren't in favor of that. Sufficed to say, no cup and a bunch of douchebags start the "I told you so" s***. Even if we don't win I'm quite confident that it won't have anything to do with Osgood. We'll lose if our D breaks down or if we forget how to score. We will not lose because our goalie is letting in too many goals. No way. Plus, I think Osgood's got his game back and will only be better come playoff time. Last night looked fluky to me in every way. They were all on him and they were soft, but they were odd goals. They weren't like earlier in the season when he was just playing tentative and out of position. I don't know what was up, but I'm not worried about it at all. He's been looking more like himself for awhile now and that goalie has won 2 Cups on his own and has won a lot of games. I've been watching Osgood every season since his rookie year. I've seen every bit with the Wings and followed him a bit even on the Islanders and the Blues. I've seen him start hundreds of games. I've heard it all and seen it all and one thing is wholly and completely clear to me: when it counts, Osgood will not be the liability. It hasn't happened yet and I don't think it will anytime soon. I'm not worried at all about Osgood, the playoff starter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOwl 77 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 Plus, I think Osgood's got his game back and will only be better come playoff time. Last night looked fluky to me in every way. They were all on him and they were soft, but they were odd goals. They weren't like earlier in the season when he was just playing tentative and out of position. What game were you watching, that last game was vintage Osbad, out of position, tentative, lack of confidence. That game exactly like the majority of his other bad games. Conklin is solid, he should be the man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 What game were you watching, that last game was vintage Osbad, out of position, tentative, lack of confidence. That game exactly like the majority of his other bad games. Conklin is solid, he should be the man. Yawn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 Something like: Did Conklin's game tonight muddy the waters at all with the goaltending? Babcock: No, I don't think so one bit. I'm gonna go right back with Ozzie against the Islanders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boomer 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 You're not going to get a top-tier goaltender. There are none available via free agency (the best is probably Martin Biron, and he's kind of a "meh" starter) and I can't see anybody moving their starting goaltender.....unless you want Vesa Toskala Top tier or not at this point with the feeble goaltending we have had all season whatever comes our way next year will be a vast improvement any way you cut it. Hell Martin Gerber on waivers would be better than what we now have now. But it is what it is Holland's call . By the way the Canadiens back-up Halak with our team he'd number one starter and he's up for grabs in the off season ; and he's tired of playing second fiddle to Price in Mtl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsallwin 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 How are your Canucks doing? Why is the Canucks coming out from here? Just because I live in Vancouver? I like the Wings in 99-20 season when I was young. Maybe you have watched the Wings more than me. However, don't underestimate Luongo. Osbad is horrible this season. I do not know what people will say after Osbad will fall down in the playoff and Conklin will carry this team. Is it gonna necessarily happen? Not really. But is there strong possibility that is gonna happen? Yeah, why not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsallwin 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 Here's a thought for all the Ozzie bashers: The goalie with the best odds of being the starting goaltender for the Stanley Cup champions this season is Chris Osgood. Not Martin Brodeur, Roberto Luongo, Steve Mason, Tim Thomas, Evgeni Nabokov, or anyone else you might prefer. Chris Osgood. Ozzie. Tough to swallow that pill? Are you just illusional about Chris Osgood? I think Joseph is the best odds of being the starting goaltender for the Stanley Cup if he is in the stanley cup contended team. I think people do not remember. Just before the last season, Osgood was not even considered that good even in this team. Hasek pretty much took this team with Cujo. Just because Osgood was hell awesome last season, it does not mean he just became a great goaltender. I just do not get people who say Osgood is on the same level with Luongo, Brodeur, and Nabokov. Maybe his last season's performance is but by the consistency, I cannot say Osgood can be compared with those goalies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 I think Joseph is the best odds of being the starting goaltender for the Stanley Cup if he is in the stanley cup contended team. Uhhh, not to burst your bubble, but in his very limited playing time Cujo's stats have been even more brutal than Ozzie's. He's stuck on the Leafs as well, so no playoffs for him. I think people do not remember. Just before the last season, Osgood was not even considered that good even in this team. Hasek pretty much took this team with Cujo. That was nearly a full four seasons ago, plus lockout. Oz was dropped in favor of Hasek, not Joseph. By the time Hasek was gone (which is to say, the end of that season) Osgood was still under contract with the Islanders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 1 game doesn't define as entire season? Yes I totally agree. Then do crappy 40 games decide the game? I meant, 90 percentage of starts were horrible. That is why I said we need Backstrom. He had a hard time to finish the deal with the Wild. Osgood is not done. Yes. Conklin is not done. Yes. However, Osgood is not gonna improve anyway. People here are just blind and illusional about Osgood's performance. His last season was probaly just the last boomer. It is almost done. How do you know that Osgood isn't going to improve? The season isn't even over yet. People here get that Osgood has struggled some this year, but they realize that the season isn't over yet and there is still time for him to produce better. That's not blind/ignoring the fact that he hasn't played well at times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 The one thing that separated Osgood from the rest of the goalies is his ability to play in the big game and consistency he was never a top talent type goaltender. I'm not saying he won't dramatically improve, but I've never seen a goalie play a season this bad and automatically switch and become his old self in the playoffs. But hey if there was ever a goalie to do it, it would be Osgood. I'm putting my focus into hoping Conklin can finally break-out and get confidence. He is just on the edge of being on a perfect starter for the Red Wings - Cheap and Consistent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
detroitrocks 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 True he has not been awesome this year... but lately it looks like he is getting better 1 bad game is not enough to throw him under the bus. If it was like the beggining of the season where ozzy was sucking like 4 games in a row then thats ok... but 1 game i dont think so. And I am pretty sure ozzy will be starter for next year that would be the smartest opition. All goalies have not so good years and usually bounce back. Ozzie is not getting any better..time to let him go out to pasture..pick up a good available starter in a trade that will unleash Cleary,Kopecky,and Samuelsson and then make room for Howard and Larsson to fight it out for the backup position next year and to keep Hossa and Franzen on board... btw the youngster McCollum could be the next Hasek of the future.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 25, 2009 Are you just illusional about Chris Osgood? I think Joseph is the best odds of being the starting goaltender for the Stanley Cup if he is in the stanley cup contended team. I think people do not remember. Just before the last season, Osgood was not even considered that good even in this team. Hasek pretty much took this team with Cujo. Just because Osgood was hell awesome last season, it does not mean he just became a great goaltender. I just do not get people who say Osgood is on the same level with Luongo, Brodeur, and Nabokov. Maybe his last season's performance is but by the consistency, I cannot say Osgood can be compared with those goalies. For the stat whores, Ozzie and Conklin traded places and now Ozzie recently has the hot glove while Conklin recently has statistically "stunk". Not that the stats ever meant s***, but certainly, stats or not, it's obvious Ozzie has been improving, despite people jumping off the bandwagon after every loss (boo hoo), and there's no reason to believe that Ozzie can't do it in the playoffs too. About Cujo, he already had chances with the Wings (two in the playoffs), and how many cups did he win? ZERO. He's had 14 playoff seasons in his career being the starting goalie, and how many cups? ZERO. "Osbad" is so bad he has 3 cup wins, two as a starting goalie, versus your boy Cujo's zeros. Indeed, those cups make him better than Cujo. And why I asked how your Canucks are doing is it's hard to believe you're a Red Wings fan with the way you trash certain players on the Red Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 I'll put myself in the group that is happy with the current goalie situation. The Wings' should consider themselves blessed to have two goalies with the talent of Ozzie and Conks at the price tag they paid. Because these two are probably underpaid versus the market, it allows the team to sign the players they do. For the future, fans should get used to these types of scenarios as well. Just like managment has shown they are going to lean toward a finesse/European style of game, the powers that be will continue to push money towards players rather than goaltenders. They've put themselves in this scenario with the cap so there's not a lot of room for a top tier, high priced netminder. We might as well get used to above average/below cost goalies that are going to give up their fair share of goals and prepare ourselves for another season of high scoring games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boomer 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 I'll put myself in the group that is happy with the current goalie situation. The Wings' should consider themselves blessed to have two goalies with the talent of Ozzie and Conks at the price tag they paid. Because these two are probably underpaid versus the market, it allows the team to sign the players they do. For the future, fans should get used to these types of scenarios as well. Just like managment has shown they are going to lean toward a finesse/European style of game, the powers that be will continue to push money towards players rather than goaltenders. They've put themselves in this scenario with the cap so there's not a lot of room for a top tier, high priced netminder. We might as well get used to above average/below cost goalies that are going to give up their fair share of goals and prepare ourselves for another season of high scoring games. Sorry don't take offense but your observations show how nauseating the whole goalie debate in Detriot has become. Bottom line we have crappy goaltending and the likelyhood of getting the Cup again with such goaltending , well the odds don't look good at all. As far as the justification you allude too what I'll keep referring to on this board ad nauseum until it changes " goaltending on the cheap in Detroit", now an institution since were all about high priced finesse is a weak justification for having such feeble goaltending. However you tell us how thankful we should be for having the likes of Osgood and Conklin at such reasonnable rates; oh were so fortunate thanks for the insight! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) Ozzie/Howie in '09 we will find a way to win this year for all you quick jumpers.... no way we will lose 4 in 7 to any one team in the NHL. Edited March 25, 2009 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boomer 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 Ozzie is not getting any better..time to let him go out to pasture..pick up a good available starter in a trade that will unleash Cleary,Kopecky,and Samuelsson and then make room for Howard and Larsson to fight it out for the backup position next year and to keep Hossa and Franzen on board... btw the youngster McCollum could be the next Hasek of the future.. Yes to the pasture its long overdue. But your word fall on deaf ears to the faithful, but sooner than late they'll get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) Yes to the pasture its long overdue. But your word fall on deaf ears to the faithful, but sooner than late they'll get it. Meh everyone loses their edge sometimes... its the natural progression of a professional athelete... But i will still be pro-ozzie all the way to the end... just as many were pro-hasek until his bitter end last playoffs. btw i wouldn't hold your breath for McCollum... he is decent in the OHL but he has a long ways to go before he breaks this teams roster. Edited March 25, 2009 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
