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#101 thedisappearer

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:29 PM

11 yr/$3.9m cap hit is pretty bad. But there are lots of numbers beiong thrown out, so I reserve judgement until it is official.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:29 PM

QUOTE (FinRedWing @ April 11, 2009 - 02:26PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love Franzen,but I thought the 11 yrs bit would've pushed the cap hit down more than into 3.9. huh.gif


Exactly. But I don't think 3.9 has been confirmed yet. It could very well be off by a little. 3.6 would still be a great deal.


This also wouldn't be nearly as bad of a deal if it weren't for Rafalski, Stuart, and Cleary all having NTCs.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:30 PM

not a big fan of this deal, defintey too long.

hopefully holland can get rid of samuelson and hudler to sign hossa for a few more years to mak up for it.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:30 PM

not a fan of this at all..
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:31 PM

Interesting, doesn't the current CBA expire 2011? If there happens to be another lockout or something, I wonder what would happen with all these long term deals.......
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:33 PM

QUOTE (mindfly @ April 11, 2009 - 08:25PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Think of Cleary's contract then which is 2.8M caphit, and he is utterfly worthless, 3.9 is OK but could have been 3-3.5 to be good imo.


Yeah, Cleary @ 2.8 is pretty bad too.

QUOTE (DetroitBoy313 @ April 11, 2009 - 08:25PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you mean it's a bad deal for Franzen himself or for the team? We all know Franzen would of got more money if he would of went elsewhere but honestly I just don't like the length of these deals Holland has been giving out lately.Something fishy is up with these long term contracts,I'm not crazy about giving Franzen 10+ years.


bad deal for the team obviously. Franzen is not worth 4 million, I'd rather have Hossa for 6 than Mule for 4.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:33 PM

Not fan of this at all... 11 years WTF?!

QUOTE (YoungGuns1340 @ April 11, 2009 - 02:29PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Exactly. But I don't think 3.9 has been confirmed yet. It could very well be off by a little. 3.6 would still be a great deal.


This also wouldn't be nearly as bad of a deal if it weren't for Rafalski, Stuart, and Cleary all having NTCs.


With this kind of contract there is no need for NTC...
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:36 PM

$3.9m for 11 years? That's about $1m-$1.5m too much.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:36 PM

Question. Suppose we sign Franzen to a 10 year deal at

6/6/6/5/4/4/3/2/1/1, a cap hit of 3.8

Say before year 7 we want to trade him. Does the team that takes him still get hit with the 3.8 cap hit, or would they get capped at what was left on the contract, a 2m cap hit?
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:37 PM

Apparently it is 3.9

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The Red Wings have signed forward Johan Franzen to an 11-year contract extension that averages $3.9 million a season.

It's a front-loaded deal that includes a no-trade clause for the first five or six years. Franzen was earning $1.15 million this season and could have become an unrestricted free agent on July 1.


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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:37 PM

Apparently he could've commanded at most a 6 mil cap hit. I guess if that's true, then the deal is not so bad. Meh.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:38 PM

QUOTE (Reds4Life @ April 11, 2009 - 02:33PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, Cleary @ 2.8 is pretty bad too.



bad deal for the team obviously. Franzen is not worth 4 million, I'd rather have Hossa for 6 than Mule for 4.



i hope you meant this in the other way. He is worth at least 5-6 million right now. You cant find a 30 goal scorer for under 5 million.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:39 PM

QUOTE (ARice89 @ April 11, 2009 - 11:56AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cap hit is determined by the average salary over the course of the contract. It most likely is front-loaded in order to keep Franzen happy because he's going to be playing for peanuts (relatively) at the end of the contract. The fact that it's front-loaded is what's going to help the Wings keep Hossa.



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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:42 PM

Just as a few of us said a long time ago! Bye Bye Filppulla, Hudler & Sammy for sure! Hello HOSSA long term! Hudler with get at least the same somewhere so HELLO 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick! Trade Flip for a 2nd and 3rd and lets go!

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:43 PM

Can't believe some people don't agree with this. We just signed a guy with Hossa-like stats for at least 2 million less than what Hossa would demand. Just because he doesn't have the track record of Hossa doesn't mean he can't keep the pace goign. I think this contract is right for both sides right now, but I hope we're not regretting this in the future when we're dishing out 10 million for two players in their late thirties (Franzen and Zetterberg).

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:43 PM

Hmm, seems like Holland could have gotten the cap hit a bit lower if he's gonna sign a 29 year old to a 11 year contract...

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:43 PM

QUOTE (RedSea @ April 11, 2009 - 08:43PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can't believe some people don't agree with this. We just signed a guy with Hossa-like stats for at least 2 million less than what Hossa would demand. Just because he doesn't have the track record of Hossa doesn't mean he can't keep the pace goign. I think this contract is right for both sides right now, but I hope we're not regretting this in the future when we're dishing out 10 million for two players in their late thirties (Franzen and Zetterberg).


Hossa like? Hossa is much better than Franzen. Not. Even. Close.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:44 PM

QUOTE (eva unit zero @ April 11, 2009 - 12:54PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Franzen's deal is for about $4m...say goodbye to Filppula and either Stuart or Samuelsson+Hudler+possibly Leino unless Hossa is not returning, unless Hossa takes a VERY cheap deal.


Honestly, right now I would not miss Stuart or Sammy. Yeah, that hints of hissiness, and yeah, I'm tired of hoping they're gonna figure it out.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:44 PM

Ugh... This leaves how much left for the rest of the free agents? But umm.. Peace out Kopecky, Samuelsson, McCarty, Conklin, and Chelios. Hopefully we can keep Downey and is Haydar any good? All that possibley leaves enough for Hossa and Hudler to sign a 11 year deal? biggrin.gif

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:45 PM

I'm not a economist or anything like that but i gotta assume that after the cap dips around 50 million for a few years that within 5-8 years it will be at 60+ and in 10 years closer to 65. thats just me though.





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