Poor Crosby / Double Standard

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I guess I inherently skip over some posts in a "Crosby" related thread.

But as for Ovechkin, sure he's marketable, but there's not much one can see to him being a leader, as goal scoring isn't really the most essential element to being a captain. There are plenty of intangibles, like knowing the game (being able to talk to the refs, leading in the locker room, leading on the ice) that Alex looks like he's still learning. Hopefully he will be captain soon though. He's got the drive, just not the type of exposure Crosby got to this environment. Remember, Crosby's mentor was one of the NHL's best All-Time Captains, Super Mario. In the same right, Lidstrom started off as an elite captain because of who he was taught by, as in who he learned the game from. Crosby is all of those packages in one, which is why there's no doubt he's earned his spot as Captain and as a marketing face of the NHL. I'm not even a huge Crosby fan and it doesn't take Crosby fanaticism to realize what he brought to the NHL.

Before I found LGW I thought I was arrogant. But the people around here GUESSING as to why Crosby was named captain of the Pens, spewing their conspiracy theories, well they are the height of arrogance around here.

If anybody from LGW has been in the Pens locker room, had direct conversations with Sid, Mario or any of the Penguins organization about their captaincy decisions, please share that insider info with the rest of us. Otherwise, you have no goddamned idea why they chose him. All of the assumptions as to why he was chosen that don't include him being the best choice, is merely another sign of infatuated LGWers crying that the universe does not revolve around the Detroit Red Wings.

[Guest micah]

Great Captains aren't made overnight. Recall that when a young Steve Yzerman was given the C, he wasn't immediately seen as a great leader. He couldn't be bothered to play defense, he failed to inspire Bob Probert to get away from the booze and drugs and be the player he could have been (and I'm not saying he could have - I don't know if with a more mature Captain Probie's carreer would have been better) he was unsuccesful in motivating his teamates to take the playoffs seriously - so much so that they were seen in a bar drinking late the night before a game that they got blown out in. Steve Yzerman turned out to be a great Captain, but the road was bumpy at times early-on. He also played in a league where he was overshaddowed by superstars like Lemieux and Gretzky and wasn't thrust into the spotlight to anything even remotely resembling the level that Crosby has.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I wonder why there is no Ryan Getzlaf thread about him whining because he got called for a love tap of a slash.

I wonder why there is no Scott Niedermayer thread about him whining that Hossa took a dive.

And on that note, where is the thread pointing out that Hossa...and Franzen....took two of the most horrendous, ridiculously overracting dives in the history of hockey.

Everybody saw Hossa fall to the ice like he got shot with a .44 Magnum point blank. Everybody saw it. Panger saw it. The commentators saw it. It was ridiculous.

Where are all of the high and mighty LGWers coming down on Hossa? You want to whine about Crosby complaining to the refs as some form of disrespecting NHL tradition? Well in my book, diving disrespects the game of hockey in the worst possible way. I'm still waiting for the Hossa bash thread on that dive.

Or maybe I don't understand how this works. We point out the transgressions of all other players, most notable Sidney Crosby, the Anaheim Ducks and the Nashville Predators, and we conveniently overlook the asinine things our own players do.

[esteef 2,679]

Before I found LGW I thought I was arrogant. But the people around here GUESSING as to why Crosby was named captain of the Pens, spewing their conspiracy theories, well they are the height of arrogance around here.

If anybody from LGW has been in the Pens locker room, had direct conversations with Sid, Mario or any of the Penguins organization about their captaincy decisions, please share that insider info with the rest of us. Otherwise, you have no goddamned idea why they chose him. All of the assumptions as to why he was chosen that don't include him being the best choice, is merely another sign of infatuated LGWers crying that the universe does not revolve around the Detroit Red Wings.

Jesus Gordie settle down. Nobody is in any team's lockerroom ever, does that mean stop having a message board? Every hockey board probably has a thread such as this today including the Pens one. Crosby's either too stupid to realize he's just giving the opposition/fans ammunition or he doesn't care which is worse. He played great but the comment was dumb. He should just say "nothing important" next time and not feed the frenzy. Moving on...

esteef

[esteef 2,679]

And on that note, where is the thread pointing out that Hossa...and Franzen....took two of the most horrendous, ridiculously overracting dives in the history of hockey.

Everybody saw Hossa fall to the ice like he got shot with a .44 Magnum point blank. Everybody saw it. Panger saw it. The commentators saw it. It was ridiculous.

Where are all of the high and mighty LGWers coming down on Hossa? You want to whine about Crosby complaining to the refs as some form of disrespecting NHL tradition? Well in my book, diving disrespects the game of hockey in the worst possible way. I'm still waiting for the Hossa bash thread on that dive.

Or maybe I don't understand how this works. We point out the transgressions of all other players, most notable Sidney Crosby, the Anaheim Ducks and the Nashville Predators, and we conveniently overlook the asinine things our own players do.

Because the dives were answering two Ducks dives that got them the 5-3 that they scored on. Detroit was merely playing the same game as the Ducks. Nice try though.

esteef

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Great Captains aren't made overnight. Recall that when a young Steve Yzerman was given the C, he wasn't immediately seen as a great leader. He couldn't be bothered to play defense, he failed to inspire Bob Probert to get away from the booze and drugs and be the player he could have been (and I'm not saying he could have - I don't know if with a more mature Captain Probie's carreer would have been better) he was unsuccesful in motivating his teamates to take the playoffs seriously - so much so that they were seen in a bar drinking late the night before a game that they got blown out in. Steve Yzerman turned out to be a great Captain, but the road was bumpy at times early-on. He also played in a league where he was overshaddowed by superstars like Lemieux and Gretzky and wasn't thrust into the spotlight to anything even remotely resembling the level that Crosby has.

careful micah, you're going to sound like a Crosby apologist and sympathizer.

It's funny though, the whiny faction of LGW knows all of the pressures that are put on Crosby, they know it was the league's choice, not his to make him the poster child for sport and yet they conveniently forget about it all and make blanketed statements about how he's just a s***ty captain.

Let's not forget that he's putting up the points, got his team to the Cup finals last year, got them past arch rival Philly again this year and is carrying his team offensively.

For all of our great leaders on the Wings, who exactly has shown that leadership and carried the team on the ice like Crosby has his?

I'd rather Crosby shut the hell up but as long as he's getting it done on the ice and our superstars are no shows, WTF do we have to talk about? We need to get our own s*** in order and start complaining about our issues instead of lambasting Crosby for what he said to a ref privately.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Jesus Gordie settle down. Nobody is in any team's lockerroom ever, does that mean stop having a message board? Every hockey board probably has a thread such as this today including the Pens one. Crosby's either too stupid to realize he's just giving the opposition/fans ammunition or he doesn't care which is worse. He played great but the comment was dumb. He should just say "nothing important" next time and not feed the frenzy. Moving on...

esteef

I think you're totally right. He should say nothing because it becomes fodder for the haters. Can he do that? I don't know. He's the poster child for the league. I don't think the Barry Bonds style of post game interviewing is going to wash with the league. He's a kid. He's honest to the point that perhaps we could call him naive.

On the other hand, if he says what he means, is honest and truly doesn't give a s*** what other fans of other teams think, I actually applaud him for that. I would respect anybody who goes about their business, does what they think is right and doesn't tow the company line.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Because the dives were answering two Ducks dives that got them the 5-3 that they scored on. Detroit was merely playing the same game as the Ducks. Nice try though.

esteef

That's one way to legitimize it. If that is your goal. Personally, I don't play that game. 2 wrongs don't make a right in my book.

I'm not going to cheat and disrespect the game just because the other guy did. Since when are the vaunted Detroit Red Wings akin to the other teams in the league? I thought we had higher standards of conduct as a team and organization?

I guess we only do sometimes.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

By the way folks, nobody pissed in my Corn Flakes today.

I'm just wired as s***! I woke up today with a sick feeling about the game and by the time I was heading out the door for work I felt like a million bucks. I felt like we were going to dominate games 3 and 4 and it felt refreshing as hell.

I'm just amped up for tonights game, I don't know how i'm going to make it until puck drop.

Gordie loves all LGWers. Even Norrisnick who is a complete tool.

[esteef 2,679]

I think you're totally right. He should say nothing because it becomes fodder for the haters. Can he do that? I don't know. He's the poster child for the league. I don't think the Barry Bonds style of post game interviewing is going to wash with the league. He's a kid. He's honest to the point that perhaps we could call him naive.

On the other hand, if he says what he means, is honest and truly doesn't give a s*** what other fans of other teams think, I actually applaud him for that. I would respect anybody who goes about their business, does what they think is right and doesn't tow the company line.

Knowing what to say or better yet, how to say it is more accurate I think. Maybe that's what he'll "learn" in time. I wouldn't give a s*** what the fans think either, but still that was a dumb comment, and I would say that if it were Ovi or a Wing too. That's all.

esteef

[esteef 2,679]

That's one way to legitimize it. If that is your goal. Personally, I don't play that game. 2 wrongs don't make a right in my book.

I'm not going to cheat and disrespect the game just because the other guy did. Since when are the vaunted Detroit Red Wings akin to the other teams in the league? I thought we had higher standards of conduct as a team and organization?

I guess we only do sometimes.

Agree, I don't like the soccer antics either, but hell, Anaheim was gettin' calls so why not? In short, (cue George Steinbrenner voice) "THEY STARTED IT!"

esteef

[Doc Holiday 0]

By the way folks, nobody pissed in my Corn Flakes today.

I'm just wired as s***! I woke up today with a sick feeling about the game and by the time I was heading out the door for work I felt like a million bucks. I felt like we were going to dominate games 3 and 4 and it felt refreshing as hell.

I'm just amped up for tonights game, I don't know how i'm going to make it until puck drop.

Gordie loves all LGWers. Even Norrisnick who is a complete tool.

You're scaring me.

[Wingsallwin 0]

Let me add one more my comment: I agree some people not only Wings fans but all non-Penguins fans really hate Crosby but it is not only his fault because every media overly exaggerate him too much.

However, he made himself a fool too. If you listen to his interview, he just bashes all the work done by referee and has no respect toward other players or other teams.

[vladdy16 2,154]

You're scaring me.

No doubt. I saved a copy for future reference.

Maybe norrisnick hit him with a tranquilizer gun?

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

No doubt. I saved a copy for future reference.

Maybe norrisnick hit him with a tranquilizer gun?

Norrisnick couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a howitzer let alone tranq the ever shifty GS&T!

And don't be scared. GS&T has a nose for these kinds of things. I know we are going to win tonight and frankly, dominate the play. I'm never wrong. (okay, so Kyle Quincey threw me for a loop).

Don't be skeered! Rejoice in a Wings 5-2 victory tonight! You heard it hear first.

[egroen 384]

I wonder why there is no Ryan Getzlaf thread about him whining because he got called for a love tap of a slash.

I wonder why there is no Scott Niedermayer thread about him whining that Hossa took a dive.

And on that note, where is the thread pointing out that Hossa...and Franzen....took two of the most horrendous, ridiculously overracting dives in the history of hockey.

Everybody saw Hossa fall to the ice like he got shot with a .44 Magnum point blank. Everybody saw it. Panger saw it. The commentators saw it. It was ridiculous.

Where are all of the high and mighty LGWers coming down on Hossa? You want to whine about Crosby complaining to the refs as some form of disrespecting NHL tradition? Well in my book, diving disrespects the game of hockey in the worst possible way. I'm still waiting for the Hossa bash thread on that dive.

Or maybe I don't understand how this works. We point out the transgressions of all other players, most notable Sidney Crosby, the Anaheim Ducks and the Nashville Predators, and we conveniently overlook the asinine things our own players do.

Heh -- it looks like you are lecturing posters here for being "fans" of the Detroit Red Wings.

Pronger gets heaped on all the time here because he has had quite a few run-ins with the Red Wings (and his dive was by far the worst of all). I dare say he is probably not the anti-christ in real life, but you will never hear me admit it. In the same way, Crosby has pissed Red Wings fans off as well. Hell, even if he never did anything else, and his team was not constantly paraded around as the real champs from last year, I would still love making fun of him simply because of that GD stick exchange I was forced to witness from multiple angle replays in the finals last year.

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

I guess I inherently skip over some posts in a "Crosby" related thread.

But as for Ovechkin, sure he's marketable, but there's not much one can see to him being a leader, as goal scoring isn't really the most essential element to being a captain. There are plenty of intangibles, like knowing the game (being able to talk to the refs, leading in the locker room, leading on the ice) that Alex looks like he's still learning. Hopefully he will be captain soon though. He's got the drive, just not the type of exposure Crosby got to this environment. Remember, Crosby's mentor was one of the NHL's best All-Time Captains, Super Mario. In the same right, Lidstrom started off as an elite captain because of who he was taught by, as in who he learned the game from. Crosby is all of those packages in one, which is why there's no doubt he's earned his spot as Captain and as a marketing face of the NHL. I'm not even a huge Crosby fan and it doesn't take Crosby fanaticism to realize what he brought to the NHL.

I'm not a huge Crosby fan either - but i don't hate the guy like so many here do... Every little thing the guy says is "whining" about something. Sure I thought he needed to mature a little in last year's SCF and give some credit where it was due, but who cares we won the Cup, he didn't. He did everything he could for his team to win last night. Caps fans can be obnoxious anyways, it's his job as captain to speak with officials and try to get the game moving, who cares...

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I'm not a huge Crosby fan either - but i don't hate the guy like so many here do... Every little thing the guy says is "whining" about something. Sure I thought he needed to mature a little in last year's SCF and give some credit where it was due, but who cares we won the Cup, he didn't. He did everything he could for his team to win last night. Caps fans can be obnoxious anyways, it's his job as captain to speak with officials and try to get the game moving, who cares...

a voice of reason amongst the lunacy.

now prepared to get piled on and punched in the taint by the LGW mob.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Heh -- it looks like you are lecturing posters here for being "fans" of the Detroit Red Wings.

Pronger gets heaped on all the time here because he has had quite a few run-ins with the Red Wings (and his dive was by far the worst of all). I dare say he is probably not the anti-christ in real life, but you will never hear me admit it. In the same way, Crosby has pissed Red Wings fans off as well. Hell, even if he never did anything else, and his team was not constantly paraded around as the real champs from last year, I would still love making fun of him simply because of that GD stick exchange I was forced to witness from multiple angle replays in the finals last year.

Nah, I don't mind anybody who root, root, roots for the home team (until they become blinded to all objectivity by their homerism). But being a Red Wings fan has never meant having to hang on everything Sidney Crosby says or does.

I care more about where Datsyuk, Z, Hossa and Holmstrom's offense went than I do about what Crosby said to an on ice official to try and get the game moving again.

And for the record this isn't the 1st time something like this has happened. Correct me if I am wrong but he league even instituted a rule did they not that would enable the officials to call a delay of game penalty against the home team for throwing too much s*** on the ice for too long a period of time?

Another case of much ado about nothing except it came from Sidney Crosby.

[OsGOD 3]

Malkin needs to jam the red ball in his mouth, bend him over and teach him a lesson!

[MTU_Huskies963 398]

I nominate Crosby for the NHL version of tool academy along with Corey Perry, and Sean Avery.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I nominate Crosby for the NHL version of tool academy along with Corey Perry, and Sean Avery.

yes, but the real question is who would Captain such a squad? Obviously Crosby is not ready for that type of responsibility. That is evident in his on ice play and lack of productivity. If I were the Pens I would trade him and re-sign Markus Naslund. They never got the good mileage out of Naslund that they should and he owes it to them.

[Broken 16 381]

I can be part of the discussion and disagree with the ridiculous hatred for another hockey player. Just because I think your position is absolute crap doesn't mean I can't be part of the discussion.

Don't even act like this site doesn't have a thing for bashing Crosby. It's obvious.

My position that I think that Crosby may be buckling under the pressure and that he's handling his situation way better than I could have at his age is crap? Hmmmmm... ok.

Do you even bother to read responses or do you just look for key words and blow a nut?

Me, personally, I couldn't give two s***s what Crosby says or how he says it or why he says it. But in the post of yours that I quoted you made a comment about "where is the hockey discussion?". You seem to take Crosby bashing very personally. I guess I'm just curious why.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

My position that I think that Crosby may be buckling under the pressure and that he's handling his situation way better than I could have at his age is crap? Hmmmmm... ok.

Do you even bother to read responses or do you just look for key words and blow a nut?

Me, personally, I couldn't give two s***s what Crosby says or how he says it or why he says it. But in the post of yours that I quoted you made a comment about "where is the hockey discussion?". You seem to take Crosby bashing very personally. I guess I'm just curious why.

One only need look at a nightly boxscore to see that Crosby has no real problem handling pressure when it comes to performing.

I chalk up his verbal gaffs to just being young. You look at some other young captains that don't get railroaded like Crosby does, guys like Toews and Richards. How often do you see either one of them up on a podium? Hell, half the time their teammates get more press and more face time than they do.

Stick any one of us in front of a camera for as much time as Sid spends in front of one and you'll see the verbal diarrhea spewing like a Peter North money shot.

[BewareThePenguin 1]

Heh -- it looks like you are lecturing posters here for being "fans" of the Detroit Red Wings.

Pronger gets heaped on all the time here because he has had quite a few run-ins with the Red Wings (and his dive was by far the worst of all). I dare say he is probably not the anti-christ in real life, but you will never hear me admit it. In the same way, Crosby has pissed Red Wings fans off as well. Hell, even if he never did anything else, and his team was not constantly paraded around as the real champs from last year, I would still love making fun of him simply because of that GD stick exchange I was forced to witness from multiple angle replays in the finals last year.

Please show me ANYONE who paraded the Pens as the "real champs" anywhere. Are you really that insecure?

Hossa dived, nobody said anything. Imagine if that had been Crosby.

Ovechkin acted like he got shot in the face by a cannon last night -- Sir Lawrence Olivier would've been proud of that little display of drama. Again, nobody said anything. But I guess that's his "passion for the game" in action huh?

Again, imagine if Crosby had done that.

Crosby brings some of the stuff on himself, no doubt. But read the whole article quoted. See if it's really that bad after you read the rest of what he had to say.