You guys have GOT to see this.

[Turretin 0]

Some gems that I found amusing:

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The fact that Cleary was even in Hiller's crease in the 1st place, tells me all that I need to know about this series.

Whatever intimidation edge the Ducks had 2 years ago is just not there any longer.

Take the freakin 2 minutes , whatever , but Cleary should have been picking up some teeth IMO .

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I agree. If i was the coach of this team, they'd be scraping wings off the ice. Ducks problem is that they are trying to beat the wings by playing hockey instead of turning this into a street fight.

Classy classy team.

You're right. In my mind, that mentality ruins exciting hockey. They are right, however, that this is the strategy the Ducks should be following. It worked for them in 07, and it should be there strategy now. It is the same reason why I don't want the Wings to try to play Anaheim's physical/fighting style of game: THEY ARE BETTER AT IT. We are better at finesse hockey. Finally, the 07 Anaheim team had way more talent than this one, in my opinion.

Is anyone else still nervous about this series? Game 5 is pivotal, but if they take Game 6, we are down to a 1 game playoff. I'll be a nervous wreck if we don't take it in their building.

[Opie 308]

Straight from the rule book:

Rule 69 - Interference on the Goalkeeper

69.1 Interference on the Goalkeeper - This rule is based on the premise that an attacking player’s position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed. In other words, goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact. The rule will be enforced exclusively in accordance with the on-ice judgment of the Referee(s), and not by means of video replay or review.

For purposes of this rule, “contact,†whether incidental or otherwise, shall mean any contact that is made between or among a goalkeeper and attacking player(s), whether by means of a stick or any part of the body.

The overriding rationale of this rule is that a goalkeeper should have the ability to move freely within his goal crease without being hindered by the actions of an attacking player. If an attacking player enters the goal crease and, by his actions, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

69.2 Penalty - In all cases in which an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, whether or not the goalkeeper is inside or outside the goal crease, and whether or not a goal is scored, the attacking player will receive a penalty (minor or major, as the Referee deems appropriate). In all cases where the infraction being imposed is to the attacking player for hindering the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely in his goal crease, the penalty to be assessed is for goalkeeper interference.

In exercising his judgment, the Referee should give more significant consideration to the degree and nature of the contact with the goalkeeper than to the exact location of the goalkeeper at the time of the contact.

69.3 Contact Inside the Goal Crease - If an attacking player initiates contact with a goalkeeper, incidental or otherwise, while the goalkeeper is in his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

If a goalkeeper, in the act of establishing his position within his goal crease, initiates contact with an attacking player who is in the goal crease, and this results in an impairment of the goalkeeper’s ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

If, after any contact by a goalkeeper who is attempting to establish position in his goal crease, the attacking player does not immediately vacate his current position in the goal crease (i.e. give ground to the goalkeeper), and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed. In all such cases, whether or not a goal is scored, the attacking player will receive a minor penalty for goalkeeper interference.

If an attacking player establishes a significant position within the goal crease, so as to obstruct the goalkeeper’s vision and impair his ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

For this purpose, a player “establishes a significant position within the crease†when, in the Referee’s judgment, his body, or a substantial portion thereof, is within the goal crease for more than an instantaneous period of time.

Refer also to Reference Tables – Table 18 – Interference on the Goalkeeper Situations.

69.4 Contact Outside the Goal Crease - If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

A goalkeeper is not “fair game†just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact.

When a goalkeeper has played the puck outside of his crease and is then prevented from returning to his crease area due to the deliberate actions of an attacking player, such player may be penalized for goalkeeper interference. Similarly, the goalkeeper may be penalized, if by his actions outside of his crease he deliberately interferes with an attacking player who is attempting to play the puck or an opponent.

Refer also to Reference Tables – Table 18 – Interference on the Goalkeeper Situations.

69.5 Face-off Location – Whenever the Referee stops play to disallow a goal as a result of contact with the goalkeeper (incidental or otherwise), the resulting face-off shall take place at the nearest neutral zone face-off spot outside the attacking zone of the offending team.

69.6 Rebounds and Loose Pucks - In a rebound situation, or where a goalkeeper and attacking player(s) are simultaneously attempting to play a loose puck, whether inside or outside the crease, incidental contact with the goalkeeper will be permitted, and any goal that is scored as a result thereof will be allowed.

In the event that a goalkeeper has been pushed into the net together with the puck by an attacking player after making a stop, the goal will be disallowed. If applicable, appropriate penalties will be assessed.

In the event that the puck is under a player in or around the crease area (deliberately or otherwise), a goal cannot be scored by pushing this player together with the puck into the goal. If applicable, the appropriate penalties will be assessed, including a penalty shot if deemed to be covered in the crease deliberately (see Rule 63 – Delaying the Game).

69.7 Fines and Suspensions - An attacking player who, in the judgment of the Referee, initiates contact with the goalkeeper, whether inside or outside the crease, in a fashion that would otherwise warrant a penalty, will be assessed an appropriate penalty (minor or major and/or game misconduct) and will be subject to additional sanctions as appropriate pursuant to Rule 29 – Supplementary Discipline.

Italics:

Cleary was there before Helm's shot, and never interferred with Hiller as Hiller never made an attempt to save Helm's shot.

If you watch the video, Hiller stands up and leans on the crossbar, as if or maybe even because he tripped on Cleary. The difference is Hiller was not making a save, as such Cleary could not interfere with Hiller's ability to move freely in his crease, he stood up, there is no proof that if he moved side to side that Cleary's positioning or physical contact would have done anything. Hiller didn't attempt to move in his crease, had he maybe Cleary is in his way and a no goal, maybe he moves forward and to the side makes the save and Cleary never touches him. Bunch of maybes, but what we do have is the rule and the fact that Cleary in no way shape or form (physical presence or contact) interfered with Hiller's ability to move in the crease, because Hiller never moved during the play, he stood up after the goal, but not during.

Bolded:

If you are ok with the No goal you have to be ok with this one, as they are both based on the Refs view of what happened. 1 instance the ref could not see the puck, in another he thought Hiller could move.

BTW, I don't think the gwg in game 3 was interference on Neids, that was the same type of play as Mule's goal in game 1, I have a problem with Getzlaf's (I believe) slash on Ozzie's arm.

[Resetti 44]

The posts on the Ducks board are hilarious! One of the funnest things to do during playoff hockey is look up the fan forums of teams that are losing at the time and read all the rage; conspiracy theories about refs wanting "their team" to advance, having to play "against the refs" during the series, simply distraught posts about how they knew their team wasn't ready, and the always comical inspirational speeches with the intent to fire fans up but almost always including horrible grammar (presumably because they already are, in fact, fired up). I get a real kick out of it.

Actually, I think that's how I found this forum in the first place.

[VM1138 1,921]

Substitute the word "Red Wings" for "Ducks" and it looks like a lot of the posts around here after games 2 and 3.

Except that we had the worst call in NHL history, except for that Hull Cup Winning Goal in '99. Oh, or that goal the Sharks scored OFF THE FREAKING NETTING as the refs watched. When they get hosed as repeatedly as we do, then they can *****. Any favors the refs are doing us now are juts because they don't want more bad press.

Edited May 11, 2009 by VM1138

[Dabura 12,232]

Therrien is that you!?!?!=) i kid i kid i joke i joke

I actually do an awesome Therrien impression. Not that it's very difficult.

[Dabura 12,232]

Except that we had the worst call in NHL history, except for that Hull Cup Winning Goal in '99. Oh, or that goal the Sharks scored OFF THE FREAKING NETTING as the refs watched. When they get hosed as repeatedly as we do, then they can *****.

Agreed.

Look, I get it: the LGW PC Brigade wants to point out the depths of depravity to which this board has been known to sink. Great. Cool. Shame on us.

But to say there's no difference between us complaining and Ducks fans complaining? Call me when the Ducks have battled through even a fraction of the number of HORRIFICALLY HORRIFIC calls the Wings have been dealt over the last several seasons.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Agreed.

Look, I get it: the LGW PC Brigade wants to point out the depths of depravity to which this board has been known to sink. Great. Cool. Shame on us.

But to say there's no difference between us complaining and Ducks fans complaining? Call me when the Ducks have battled through even a fraction of the number of HORRIFICALLY HORRIFIC calls the Wings have been dealt over the last several seasons.

:clap::clap:

Can a brotha get a AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-MEN?!

[Zion 93]

amen (in smallest font possible)

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Except that we had the worst call in NHL history, except for that Hull Cup Winning Goal in '99. Oh, or that goal the Sharks scored OFF THE FREAKING NETTING as the refs watched. When they get hosed as repeatedly as we do, then they can *****. Any favors the refs are doing us now are juts because they don't want more bad press.

The Wings have definitely have some bad calls against them in the playoffs in the past, but it is very asinine to say that referee publicity is directly (or even in directly) correlated to the Red Wings playing or doing them favors.

[teckaholic 0]

Both teams have had a few calls go against them. It is hockey..get over it!

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Both teams have had a few calls go against them. It is hockey..get over it!

We. Aren't. Angry. What don't you get about that?

Some of us find this "the league loves the Wings" business hilarious. So we discuss it.

No problems. No anger. Just pure humor. I'm sorry that you don't find it funny.. but we do.

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

Both teams have had a few calls go against them. It is hockey..get over it!

Get over it?! Dude look at your own board, there complaining about the calls that aren't being called on us. It is hockey..get over it!

[BewareThePenguin 1]

What would really be ironic is if Pens fans or maybe even Caps fans were to say that.

I seem to remember after one recent playoff loss, a Red Wings fan calling for the original 6 teams to mutiny and form their own league.

Talk about your irony.

[McCartyFanForLife 17]

I seem to remember after one recent playoff loss, a Red Wings fan calling for the original 6 teams to mutiny and form their own league.

Talk about your irony.

One fan does not a fan base make

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

Both teams have had a few calls go against them. It is hockey..get over it!

this is a wings forum. i think its not us that need to get over anything.

[blikst 1]

No sense getting all upset. You can't beat the league. They want [insert the team that my team is facing], its pretty obvious if you've watchted this entire series and the funny thing is, we knew it going in. Its tough to overcome a [description of the other team] team that the league wants to advance.

I've pretty much seen this quote in some kind of form throughout the season and into the playoffs from almost every fanbase in the league. You would think the league would have a hard time being biased towards every team, but what do I know... Fans in generall are biased. Are anyone surprised?

Edited May 12, 2009 by blikst

[NHLrules? 32]

Nucks fans were crying about the same stuff last night.

The only problem is they forgot one key reason they lost the series:

Luongo s*** the bed and completely sucked the last two games.

[Inultus 12]

Of course. I started a thread on their forum entitled "Stop Blaming the Refs" and it was immediately deleted.

I was being pretty nice too, I told them there was no conspiracy against them. I said the Ducks are losing because our guys are showing up and theirs aren't.

I said the Wings needed a big game to show that Hiller is mortal. That happened in Game 4, and he hasn't returned to top form since. OTOH, Osgood has shown up every game.

Big surprise that the f***s don't want to hear the truth. Just keep blaming the refs...it's because Bettman wants the Wings to win.!

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Of course. I started a thread on their forum entitled "Stop Blaming the Refs" and it was immediately deleted.

I was being pretty nice too, I told them there was no conspiracy against them. I said the Ducks are losing because our guys are showing up and theirs aren't.

I said the Wings needed a big game to show that Hiller is mortal. That happened in Game 4, and he hasn't returned to top form since. OTOH, Osgood has shown up every game.

Big surprise that the f***s don't want to hear the truth. Just keep blaming the refs...it's because Bettman wants the Wings to win.!

I knew you had an account over there 'cause I'd seen some of your responses. It seemed like anything you typed on that board, you were instantly labeled a troll.

That game me a lot of good laughs. YOU. A troll?! LOL!

[Inultus 12]

Yeah, they especially didn't like it when they labelled me a troll and I pointed out the fact that I've been a member of their forum for longer than the person accusing me of being a troll.

[teckaholic 0]

We. Aren't. Angry. What don't you get about that?

Go look back through this thread? You haven't complained...half the other ppl on here have. Oh, and I know my fellow Ducks fans are as well. They should get over it too!

[Ms_Hockey 0]

So i'm gonna show some faith and start the Game 7 thread because I believe there will be a game 7 in Detroit on Thursday. If we're going to win in Detroit we need to dominate the Wings in the Neutral zone and get the puck in deep early on. I think we can beat this stupid, overrated team. They deserve to lose. I hate Detroit and to be honest I'm sick of them always making it this deep in the playoffs. It's time a team like the Ducks sent a message and spanked this team onto the golf course where they belong.......kind of like what we did in 2007....remember that Detroit fans? I hope we grill Osgood with 40 shots tonight and show the league what a crappy goalie he really is. If Osgood was on any other team he would be a backup or sent to the minors. He has a cast of all star players in front of him and has yet to be tested...just look at his GOA in the regular season and you'll see what I mean. Oh and the city of Detroit is such a dump....went there in 2006 and got out as quick as I could.

Note to all you Detroit fans planning on celebrating in our house tonight.......enjoy your flight back to that dump of a city where you'll enjoy another smack down in your own house. Friday Headline in Detroit.......Wings Lose in Heart Breaker...Ducks Move On...Read it and weep Michigan.

DO IT DUCKS...We Want the CUP

I haven't laughed this hard all day. Damn.

[Inultus 12]

OMG, this is hilarious!!!

Where are your goddam brains boy !?!?

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Oh my God....

That can't be real.

[LeftWinger 5,153]

Wow, if that video is real, then I don't feel so bad filing bankruptcy, losing all my money in the Stock Market, losing one of my vehicles back to the bank and having to still rely on my parents for money at 39 years old! I cannot wait until "Scott" grows up and has real issues to deal with. Could you imagine this kid if he were a Wings fan in the early 90's? OMG! He would have killed himself...

On a lighter note, adults, wouldn't it be nice to go back to the days of not having any other problems than your favorite team losing in the playoffs? Man, that would be nice to have only that to worry about! Of course now he has to worry about making an ass of himself in front of the world wide web! Even the Government (who monitors everyone's internet (YES, THEY DO)) were laughing at this one!