Greetings from Pittsburgh

[sidthekid 0]

can we agree that not everyone that posts on an opposing teams site is a troll? i love to get other fans perspectives. why cant we all just get along ha ha.

all i'm saying is give the pens a chance and most of you say i'm trolling. it's as if you cannot question the red wings chances of winning the cup. the people here need to grow up and realize that the NHL is not about the red wings. the wings have only been successful for the past 15 years - before that they were nothing. even now the wings have empty seats at the Joe during playoff time.

[stactum 4]

Well, PIT will be taken to school again that is the way I see it all falling together

[xtrememachine1 795]

the people here need to grow up and realize that the NHL is not about the red wings.

You're right the NHL is about CROSBY MALKIN CROSBY MALKIN CROSBY MALKIN... or so it seems with having them jammed down everyone's throat by NBC and VS. Also, this is a Red Wings message board. You're going to read A LOT about the Red Wings. If you don't like it well that's just too damn bad for you.

the wings have only been successful for the past 15 years - before that they were nothing.

Wow! Where to start here... have you ever heard of a guy named Gordie Howe. lol Or did you just start watching hockey last month?

[Rocket Queen 30 1]

all i'm saying is give the pens a chance and most of you say i'm trolling. it's as if you cannot question the red wings chances of winning the cup. the people here need to grow up and realize that the NHL is not about the red wings. the wings have only been successful for the past 15 years - before that they were nothing. even now the wings have empty seats at the Joe during playoff time.

That's not all you're saying. You came here to mix it up and talk smack. It's cool if you do, but don't cry foul later and act like that's not what you were doing. Why would we question our teams chances of winning? We want them to win... duh. Anyway.. the Red Wings have not only been successful for the last 15 years... get real. This is an original six franchise. Do some homework before you come here making false inflammatory statements. As for the empty seats... all the playoff games have been sold out... one more thing you didn't know..

[VM1138 1,921]

all i'm saying is give the pens a chance and most of you say i'm trolling. it's as if you cannot question the red wings chances of winning the cup. the people here need to grow up and realize that the NHL is not about the red wings. the wings have only been successful for the past 15 years - before that they were nothing. even now the wings have empty seats at the Joe during playoff time.

THere was a 40-odd year period where the Wings struggled, but you are entirely ignoring the years before the birth of your team, by which time Detroit won 7 Stanley Cups and appeared in a ton of finals. And before you make some comment about their only being 6 teams, let's not forget that Boston and Chicago and the Rangers hardly ever won, either.

So yeah, the WIngs have been one of the most consistently awesome teams throughout the NHL's history. Even during the drought years we still made playoffs frequently and even appeared in the finals once in a while. So if we were "nothing" before 15 years ago, what were your Pens before 2 years ago or so? Other than two brief stints with the Cup thanks to Lemieux.

[BewareThePenguin 1]

Pittsburgh had a way better team last year than this year. They struggled against Philly, struggled against Washington, and beating up on a not so hot Carolina team. Bill Guerin is no Marian Hossa. You think Hossa was motivated this game, wait till the Finals. Pittsburgh will need rockets up their asses to catch him. Detroit has shown that they can put their foot on teams throats and push for the kill. f*** Pittsburgh and f*** their fans because there are no friends in war =)

I like your spirit. And now for the flip side of reality.

Where do you get the nerve to rag on the Pens' run, when your guys played:

1. The weakest opponent in the playoffs in round 1.

2. An admittedly tough Ducks team.

3. Another pushover in the wet-behind-the-ears, aw-shucks-we're-just-glad-to-be-here Blackhawks.

Really now.

As for Hossa, why should he even get to be "motivated"? HE left Pittsburgh, which made him a pretty fair offer to stay. So it's quite the opposite -- should the Pens and Wings meet, it will be the Pens who are out to make his scumbag traitor butt pay for his scumbag traitorism (did I just invent a new word?). Poetic justice would be for Hossa the turncoat to watch the Pens lift the Cup and wave it in his traitor face.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

I love the playoffs.

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

I like your spirit. And now for the flip side of reality.

Where do you get the nerve to rag on the Pens' run, when your guys played:

1. The weakest opponent in the playoffs in round 1.

2. An admittedly tough Ducks team.

3. Another pushover in the wet-behind-the-ears, aw-shucks-we're-just-glad-to-be-here Blackhawks.

Really now.

As for Hossa, why should he even get to be "motivated"? HE left Pittsburgh, which made him a pretty fair offer to stay. So it's quite the opposite -- should the Pens and Wings meet, it will be the Pens who are out to make his scumbag traitor butt pay for his scumbag traitorism (did I just invent a new word?). Poetic justice would be for Hossa the turncoat to watch the Pens lift the Cup and wave it in his traitor face.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.

I almost agree with all of this.

1. First round was like very very easy, it was almost like a warm up series for the Ducks.

2. Ducks gave us a run for our money, was the best series Wings have played.

3. Blackhawks are a young team and really don't know what it is like to be this far in the playoffs.

How come when we went to Pittsburgh, how come he got boo? I thought you guys didn't care about him anymore? Plus was he even there for a year, I ain't really sure? For Hossa to watch the Penguins lift up the cup, I ain't going to lie it could be funny. He came to Detroit for a cup, and then to see his old team raise it up? I don't know that would be funny.

[Rocket Queen 30 1]

I like your spirit. And now for the flip side of reality.

Where do you get the nerve to rag on the Pens' run, when your guys played:

1. The weakest opponent in the playoffs in round 1.

2. An admittedly tough Ducks team.

3. Another pushover in the wet-behind-the-ears, aw-shucks-we're-just-glad-to-be-here Blackhawks.

Really now.

As for Hossa, why should he even get to be "motivated"? HE left Pittsburgh, which made him a pretty fair offer to stay. So it's quite the opposite -- should the Pens and Wings meet, it will be the Pens who are out to make his scumbag traitor butt pay for his scumbag traitorism (did I just invent a new word?). Poetic justice would be for Hossa the turncoat to watch the Pens lift the Cup and wave it in his traitor face.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.

LOL @ traitor face... cute.. but in all seriousness... The Wings faced the weakest opponent in the 1st round because they were of the strongest opponents in the first round..Arguably San Jose was the weakest opponent in the 1st round despite coming in 1st . So we got the 7th seed.. I mean.. that's just how it works. Even still people were giving the edge to Columbus based on the play of their rookie goalie prior to the start of the post season. Idiots.. but whatever. That Ducks series was tough and quite honestly the biggest threat to Detroits chances in the west. Chicago isn't a weak team or a bad team, pushovers or just glad to be here but, they are kids and that was going to do them in eventually. Really now.. I think Chicago would give the Pens a serious run for their money so please don't suggest that Detroit has cake walked their way in to the conference finals. They didn't... they just make it look easy because they're that good.

Edited May 26, 2009 by Rocket Queen 30

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

I should add to my post, the only challange Penguins got was Capitals.

[xtrememachine1 795]

1. The weakest opponent in the playoffs in round 1.

Hardly the weakest opponent and even if they were, the Wings were the 2nd seed. That's the point of doing well in the regular season.

2. An admittedly tough Ducks team.

... and much better than the Caps

3. Another pushover in the wet-behind-the-ears, aw-shucks-we're-just-glad-to-be-here Blackhawks.

Ask the Flames or Canucks if that team was a pushover. The Hawks look bad, because the Wings are THAT good.

...it will be the Pens who are out to make his scumbag traitor butt pay for his scumbag traitorism (did I just invent a new word?). Poetic justice would be for Hossa the turncoat to watch the Pens lift the Cup and wave it in his traitor face.

Ugh, you're one of THOSE people. The kind of people that don't understand the term "rental player". Hossa was a rental. He helped the Pens make it to the Finals and then left. That's all that was expected from him. There's lot of players that are rentals. Wayne Gretzky was a rental for the Blues in 96. Did the city of St Louis burn his jersey when he left for the Rangers? GET. OVER. IT!

[xtrememachine1 795]

they just make it look easy because they're that good.

Thank you!!!

[NomadFromKazoo 42]

do you people have some sort of reading problem up there in Michigan? i never said the wings weren't good because they took 7 games to beat anaheim - i said vulnerable. this means that the wings are not as invincible as ya'll think. if the ducks can make a good series with detroit, we can too. that's all im' saying.

I know you didn't say the Wings weren't good because we went 7 against the Ducks, you said we were vulnerable. I said the Penguins weren't good because while we went 7 against a great team and recent Cup winner, The Pens went to six and seven against two teams that are mediocre at best. After questioning my reading ability, you fail to provide any example I wasn't reading correctly. What does that say about YOUR reading ability if that's where you want to go? I am agreeing a great team like the Ducks could beat us, that doesn't lead to your conclusion a mediocre team like the Penguins can.

[NomadFromKazoo 42]

all i'm saying is give the pens a chance and most of you say i'm trolling. it's as if you cannot question the red wings chances of winning the cup. the people here need to grow up and realize that the NHL is not about the red wings. the wings have only been successful for the past 15 years - before that they were nothing. even now the wings have empty seats at the Joe during playoff time.

Dude, we're about to face in the Stanley Cup finals for the second year, you wanted fair and balanced? Aren't you here to smack each other's teams a little? What I'm seeing is pretty tame banter with you. If you didn't want that, why are you here?

[Ms_Hockey 0]

all i'm saying is give the pens a chance and most of you say i'm trolling. it's as if you cannot question the red wings chances of winning the cup. the people here need to grow up and realize that the NHL is not about the red wings. the wings have only been successful for the past 15 years - before that they were nothing. even now the wings have empty seats at the Joe during playoff time.

You're on a Red Wings board. Is it really surprising that the people here think the Wings are going to win the Cup? You're never going to get them to say "You're right, we're going to lose." I wouldn't expect you to think the Pens are going to lose and you shouldn't expect these people to think the Wings are going to lose.

The NHL isn't the Red Wings.. and yet the Red Wings are still in their dynasty. Ilitch was voted the best owner in sports. In terms of Stanley Cups, we're third only to Montreal and Toronto. And contrary to what you've been preaching, Lidstrom is not this whole team. Yes, our dynasty is going to end and new one will emerge - that's just the way of things. But it's not going to happen just because Lidstrom hangs up his skates. We don't pick superstars - we MAKE superstars. We get the 210th pick and the 171st pick and we turn them into Zetterberg and Datsyuk. It's our farming/scouting system that's unmatched.. not our players. When that ends, our dynasty will end.

As for the Joe having empty seats, you are absolutely 100% wrong. I've been to multiple playoff games this year and they've always announced a sellout. In fact, in the aisles, about 3/4 of the way down, they put in temporary seating. Where there's normally standing room, they set up folding chairs. The empty seats that you see are season ticket holder seats who couldn't make it to the game and couldn't sell them to anybody. However.. those seats are still paid for. The Red Wings have one of the highest percentages of season ticket holders. Not only that, but the JLA experienced and 11 year sellout streak that ended in 2007.. and since then, we've never fallen below #7 on the sellout streak list. So don't even try using the "empty seats" bulls*** because that's exactly what it is... bulls***.

Edited May 26, 2009 by Ms_Hockey

[KronwallCRUNCH 5]

Why even argue with this turd until his team actually wins a championship in the modern-era?

[Rocket Queen 30 1]

Why even argue with this turd until his team actually wins a championship in the modern-era?

some of us just like to argue

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

Why even argue with this turd until his team actually wins a championship in the modern-era?

It is quite funny to listen to these "know it all" big shots.

[Armyrulez 0]

Hello Detroit, another Pens fan here re-joining you from last year's SCF. Good luck

btw, I have no problems with Kronwall's hit, Havlat should have had his head up, he has a history of ant-watching.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Hello Detroit, another Pens fan here re-joining you from last year's SCF. Good luck

btw, I have no problems with Kronwall's hit, Havlat should have had his head up, he has a history of ant-watching.

Welcome back.

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

Hello Detroit, another Pens fan here re-joining you from last year's SCF. Good luck

btw, I have no problems with Kronwall's hit, Havlat should have had his head up, he has a history of ant-watching.

Yes, they keep coming!

Welcome bro.

[stactum 4]

The last week or so I was thinking about what if NHL went back to old play-offs format where 16 teams are seeded based on point totals and 1st plays 16th, 2nd - 15th, etc.

Does anybody know why this system was switched for conference format? The only reason I can think of is travel.

But another reason in today's nhl would be that probably teams from East would not be able to make top 4.

[BewareThePenguin 1]

Hardly the weakest opponent and even if they were, the Wings were the 2nd seed. That's the point of doing well in the regular season.

... and much better than the Caps

Ask the Flames or Canucks if that team was a pushover. The Hawks look bad, because the Wings are THAT good.

Ugh, you're one of THOSE people. The kind of people that don't understand the term "rental player". Hossa was a rental. He helped the Pens make it to the Finals and then left. That's all that was expected from him. There's lot of players that are rentals. Wayne Gretzky was a rental for the Blues in 96. Did the city of St Louis burn his jersey when he left for the Rangers? GET. OVER. IT!

The point isn't that Detroit "earned" the right to play the lowly Columbus squad, the point is they got the same kind of "pushover" opponent you're all ragging the Pens for drawing. Double standard, anyone?

And "ugh" -- I think I understand the mercenary player concept, but Hossa also left Pittsburgh talking about going to Detroit 'cuz you know, he really really wanted to win a championship. Kind of a slap at your old team on your way out the door. So pardon me if I don't quite care for him anymore. Besides, like Detroit needs another top player, they don't have enough of them already.

P.S. I don't believe Gretzky talked that kind of crap on his way to New York.

[xtrememachine1 795]

You're on a Red Wings board. Is it really surprising that the people here think the Wings are going to win the Cup? You're never going to get them to say "You're right, we're going to lose." I wouldn't expect you to think the Pens are going to lose and you shouldn't expect these people to think the Wings are going to lose.

The NHL isn't the Red Wings.. and yet the Red Wings are still in their dynasty. Ilitch was voted the best owner in sports. In terms of Stanley Cups, we're third only to Montreal and Toronto. And contrary to what you've been preaching, Lidstrom is not this whole team. Yes, our dynasty is going to end and new one will emerge - that's just the way of things. But it's not going to happen just because Lidstrom hangs up his skates. We don't pick superstars - we MAKE superstars. We get the 210th pick and the 171st pick and we turn them into Zetterberg and Datsyuk. It's our farming/scouting system that's unmatched.. not our players. When that ends, our dynasty will end.

As for the Joe having empty seats, you are absolutely 100% wrong. I've been to multiple playoff games this year and they've always announced a sellout. In fact, in the aisles, about 3/4 of the way down, they put in temporary seating. Where there's normally standing room, they set up folding chairs. The empty seats that you see are season ticket holder seats who couldn't make it to the game and couldn't sell them to anybody. However.. those seats are still paid for. The Red Wings have one of the highest percentages of season ticket holders. Not only that, but the JLA experienced and 11 year sellout streak that ended in 2007.. and since then, we've never fallen below #7 on the sellout streak list. So don't even try using the "empty seats" bulls*** because that's exactly what it is... bulls***.

You are my hero lol

[Ms_Hockey 0]

And "ugh" -- I think I understand the mercenary player concept, but Hossa also left Pittsburgh talking about going to Detroit 'cuz you know, he really really wanted to win a championship. Kind of a slap at your old team on your way out the door. So pardon me if I don't quite care for him anymore. Besides, like Detroit needs another top player, they don't have enough of them already.

P.S. I don't believe Gretzky talked that kind of crap on his way to New York.

I wouldn't care for Hossa either if I were a Pens fan. Realistically, I can understand his motivation - though it was a huge slap to the Pens organization. I mean, he was offered a one-year deal by the team that just lifted the Cup in front of his face. People in his own locker room were leaving. He wasn't sure where the Pens would go. He went to the team that would give him the best opportunity to lift the Cup. It makes sense from Hossa's perspective.. but it really sucks from the Pens/Pens fans perspective.

I feel for ya there.