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[titanium2 867]

If they're complaining about cheating now what would they have done if this happened to their team?

Props to jollymania for the vid.

[RedStormRising 7]

Don't worry Pens fans, this is just a giant conspiracy to get the Wings up 3-0 in the series only to have the Almighty Penguins make a miraculous comeback in Game 7 and anoint Crosby and Malkin as the greatest players to ever play the game!!!

[Headmanthepuck! 0]

Someone called Ozzie a douchebag?... what a ******* douchebag! As for the boards.. I mean s***.. everyone one knows those boards do that... the pens should remember from last year... whiners... wtf ever...

The old Boston Gardens was the shortest rink in the NHL. I guess they didn't deserve their 5 Cups as the Bruins didn't have to skate as far when playing at home?

[Chris L 0]

The OP at: http://www.letsgopens.com/scripts/phpBB3/v...f=1&t=36763

Detroits system

Post by no name on Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:55 pm

Detroits system is totally based on a strong forecheck, once the puck is in our zone they push us behind our net forcing us regroup and bring 5 men up the ice. There is nothing illegal about that. What they also do is give their own players time and space. If you watch closely enough the skate in players paths that are away from the puck. Thus ly making players have to skate around them, this should be interference. But its not hooking and grabbing its not to the point that you can call a penalty on it.

Now in other aspects thoes guys are riding the goalies crease standing on top of them, move the puck to the defencemen an take long range shots hoping for deflections, tip ins, rebounds. Ugly goals.

I honestly thing they really outwork their oppenents playing this style. If you play vs them in the exact same style they play you, we still would only have a 50% at winning. Remember though Detroit plays this way all year, so they continue to play this, and every team that faces themhasn;t been doing it all year.

To sum up, its a no talent system, if you had a team with no talent you would want them to play this way. But when you get the top players in the world playing that way. It only spells success.

I hate Detroit.

(Italics mine) Hating Detroit for getting quality players to play a competitive system, odd thing to hate. I wonder if "no name" would hate the Pens if they played the trap.

Then somebody suggests that all the zebras should be fired and new ones brought in that would be more friendly to Crosby and Malkin's open ice game, and another really wants to ditch Bill McCreary (WTF?) of all people. IMO, the most even zebra in the game.

But to be fair, there are some well thought out posts in there too, but the whole OP was just nutty to me.

Edited June 1, 2009 by Chris L

[EuroTwin 240]

First of all... whut?

Second of all... logic!fail:

If you play vs them in the exact same style they play you, we still would only have a 50% at winning. Remember though Detroit plays this way all year, so they continue to play this, and every team that faces them hasn't been doing it all year.

I'm sorry... if you haven't been playing with guys clogging up the passing lanes then you and your coach and your players are ******* stupid.

And just because one team does it, doesn't mean no one else can... AGH My brain cannot handle logic!fail of this magnitude!

[bruisebrother15 29]

Sorry but both Penguins goals were ugly.

You actually need a lot of talent to play the Wings system. Puck possession takes a lot of skill to pull off. That's why no one in the league can do it like we do. Most teams just end up trapping to try and compete with Detroit's system.

Plus, the Penguins D interferes every chance they get too. It's just hard to see with Black and Gold glasses.

[Dano33 41]

Yeah, they're dumb, but does it really matter what they think? Or to be more specific, what a few people think, not necessarily all pens fans.

[Mike 0]

Haters gonna hate.

[BewareThePenguin 1]

The OP at: http://www.letsgopens.com/scripts/phpBB3/v...f=1&t=36763

(Italics mine) Hating Detroit for getting quality players to play a competitive system, odd thing to hate. I wonder if "no name" would hate the Pens if they played the trap.

Then somebody suggests that all the zebras should be fired and new ones brought in that would be more friendly to Crosby and Malkin's open ice game, and another really wants to ditch Bill McCreary (WTF?) of all people. IMO, the most even zebra in the game.

But to be fair, there are some well thought out posts in there too, but the whole OP was just nutty to me.

So it's not enough that you win -- you also want to believe your team is always 100% squeaky clean and never commits a penalty. That's called the "good guys" syndrome.

Not only that, you're missing the point -- the poster isn't talking about passing lanes, he's talking about obstructing the path of the oncoming players. Which supposedly was to be stopped with the new rules changes. You know, what Gretzky and those other old timers called "garage hockey."

[Greatness=PavelDatsyuk 65]

Wow, this person should coach the Pens. With him in charge they would get the first round pick for years.

[Doggy 130]

So it's not enough that you win -- you also want to believe your team is always 100% squeaky clean and never commits a penalty. That's called the "good guys" syndrome.

Not only that, you're missing the point -- the poster isn't talking about passing lanes, he's talking about obstructing the path of the oncoming players. Which supposedly was to be stopped with the new rules changes. You know, what Gretzky and those other old timers called "garage hockey."

Give me an example of this. I'm not sure you fully understand the rules of hockey to be honest.

[hooon 1,089]

yawn. Sore losers. We have seen this before. The ignorance displayed on those boards is staggering. At this point, i welcome it. In my eyes, by whining about irrelevant and untrue details they are essentially admitting defeat. Reverse psychology of sorts. They claim they hate the wings, etc. etc. but in an odd way they are just saying how much they fear, revere, and respect the wings. Jealousy at its finest.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Definitely the stupidest thing I've ever read about how detroit cheats. I mean, un-freaking-believable. What a retard.

[Vladifan 680]

So it's not enough that you win -- you also want to believe your team is always 100% squeaky clean and never commits a penalty. That's called the "good guys" syndrome.

Not only that, you're missing the point -- the poster isn't talking about passing lanes, he's talking about obstructing the path of the oncoming players. Which supposedly was to be stopped with the new rules changes. You know, what Gretzky and those other old timers called "garage hockey."

This is absolute bullcrap. If what you're saying was true, there should have been a penalty called on your guy for interfering with Hossa coming up the ice. The point is: IF Hossa had tried to go around your guy and your guy had moved into him, THAT would have been interference. They even talked about that specific play NOT being interference last night.

[Red4wings4life 0]

So it's not enough that you win -- you also want to believe your team is always 100% squeaky clean and never commits a penalty. That's called the "good guys" syndrome.

Not only that, you're missing the point -- the poster isn't talking about passing lanes, he's talking about obstructing the path of the oncoming players. Which supposedly was to be stopped with the new rules changes. You know, what Gretzky and those other old timers called "garage hockey."

Any game that Gretzky was in is called "Garage hockey". He only played offense, never defense. Our forwards are taugh from day 1 to play at both ends. That is what makes the Wings so great.

Do we get away with things that should be called? Sure but so does every team in the league. Including your Pens.

If anything the Refs have been fair in this series so far. Non calls on both teams and letting the players play.

Sure there could be 10+ more calls a game on both teams but why? Let them play hockey.

Remember your Pens are a great young skilled team, so we should be seeing a ton of skill out on the ice reguardless of the Refs. Which for the most part we are seeing... Its just that everyone on the Wings plays defense..... EVERYONE.

Crosby is over rated because he has done nothing in the Cup finals so far and that is not what you should get from a "superStar" player.

[Chris L 0]

So it's not enough that you win -- you also want to believe your team is always 100% squeaky clean and never commits a penalty. That's called the "good guys" syndrome.

Not only that, you're missing the point -- the poster isn't talking about passing lanes, he's talking about obstructing the path of the oncoming players. Which supposedly was to be stopped with the new rules changes. You know, what Gretzky and those other old timers called "garage hockey."

Dude, the Pens are obstructing too. I've seen your D poke, lift and hook right and left for both the games, on players sticks and pucks. Its the way hockey is played today. Abdelkader's goal in the 3rd was exactly that. Your Pens had two D men in the way of the oncoming player, one even poked the puck off our guy, another tried to lift the stick, he got around that too and got a shot off. Pot meet kettle.

The way you Pens fans are yapping over at LGP.com you'd think hockey should be played so that nobody gets in the way of anybody who has the puck or who might get a pass. That's nonsense.

[BewareThePenguin 1]

Give me an example of this. I'm not sure you fully understand the rules of hockey to be honest.

Well then you are honestly mistaken.

Likewise, I wonder if you know your hockey history. Some years ago if you recall, guys like Gretzky and Lemieux complained about the game becoming a clutching grabbing interference fest, that would stifle the showcase skills of the game's best scorers. That's one of the reasons the league made some rules changes. Both the spirit and letter of the rules state that no player should ever obstruct another player when the puck is not in play around him.

The poster on the Pens board no doubt is referring to this. It's the top poster who is trying to work in the (wrong) idea that the Wings are only "clogging passing lanes" (which is really just code for "interference") when in fact the Pens poster never mentioned that idea.

This kind of thing is exactly what Gretzky was talking about. Again, do you not really know this?

Edited June 1, 2009 by BewareThePenguin

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

So it's not enough that you win -- you also want to believe your team is always 100% squeaky clean and never commits a penalty. That's called the "good guys" syndrome.

Not only that, you're missing the point -- the poster isn't talking about passing lanes, he's talking about obstructing the path of the oncoming players. Which supposedly was to be stopped with the new rules changes. You know, what Gretzky and those other old timers called "garage hockey."

You again all you want to do is troll for an argument why dont you just leave LGW and quit your whinning , you have 2 games at home lets see how your team responds

to being down 2 to 0

[Vladifan 680]

Any game that Gretzky was in is called "Garage hockey". He only played offense, never defense. Our forwards are taugh from day 1 to play at both ends. That is what makes the Wings so great.

Do we get away with things that should be called? Sure but so does every team in the league. Including your Pens.

If anything the Refs have been fair in this series so far. Non calls on both teams and letting the players play.

Sure there could be 10+ more calls a game on both teams but why? Let them play hockey.

Remember your Pens are a great young skilled team, so we should be seeing a ton of skill out on the ice reguardless of the Refs. Which for the most part we are seeing... Its just that everyone on the Wings plays defense..... EVERYONE.

Crosby is over rated because he has done nothing in the Cup finals so far and that is not what you should get from a "superStar" player.

I don't think he's overrated. I think he's a great player. I think it's more that our guys are able to swarm him when he has the puck. The Pens really only have two players that have to be covered. If they had more talent on offense, he would be able to have more freedom on the ice and be more of a threat. Meanwhile, our guys are doing brilliantly on staying on him and on Malkin.

Bettman and the hype honchos are going berserk over him as if that's going to bring more viewers in to watch Versus - which most viewers don't have access to. THERE'S the idiocy of this whole frickin' picture.

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

Well then you are honestly mistaken.

Likewise, I wonder if you know your hockey history. Some years ago if you recall, guys like Gretzky and Lemieux complained about the game becoming a clutching grabbing interference fest, that would stifle the showcase skills of the game's best scorers. That's one of the reasons the league made some rules changes. Both the spirit and letter of the rules state that no player should ever obstruct another player when the puck is not in play around him.

The poster on the Pens board no doubt is referring to this. It's the top poster who is trying to work in the (wrong) idea that the Wings are only "clogging passing lanes" (which is really just code for "interference") when in fact the Pens poster never mentioned that idea.

This kind of thing is exactly what Gretzky was talking about. Again, do you not really know this?

And the Wings won back to back playing against that style and oh yea so did your Pens

[Dustywt4 0]

So it's not enough that you win -- you also want to believe your team is always 100% squeaky clean and never commits a penalty. That's called the "good guys" syndrome.

Not only that, you're missing the point -- the poster isn't talking about passing lanes, he's talking about obstructing the path of the oncoming players. Which supposedly was to be stopped with the new rules changes. You know, what Gretzky and those other old timers called "garage hockey."

Skating in the path of others is part of defense. Interference is something else. You can't expect the defense to clear a lane for a breakaway to the net. If this is what you expect, then hockey is not the sport for you. Go back to bandwagoning on the Steelers boards. Hockey does not need fans like you. Thank you Bettman for recruiting BewareThePenguin to the audience.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

The Red Wings are entitled to the ice they're standing on.

Nobody's bumping or blocking or hitting anyone without the puck.

[drwscc 212]

Mooommm...the Wings are breathing on Crosby again, and *obstructing* him by skating backwards in front of him.

[flip 5]

What's even more funny is that a number of them take this image to be conclusive evidence that Crosby scored:

They're mistaking the reddish horizontal line (a stick) to be the goal line, even though there's blue paint on either side of it and completely disregarding the vertical red CROSSBAR on the right side. I'm almost speechless.

[Christopher Tequila 0]

Michel Therrien obviously is posting using the handle no name because he is still trying to get someone to believe that the Wings are obstructing.