Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 Bobby Orr Trophy - Best Offensive Defenseman - Awarded to the defenseman with the most points at the end of the year Nick Lidstrom Trophy - Best Defensive Defenseman - Awarded by vote of NHL players Norris Trophy - Best All-Around Defenseman - Awarded by vote of Professional Hockey Writers Association I think this would be a good way to separate the B.S. "Rob Blake" and "Brian Leech" wins from rest. Nick Lidstrom should be in the running for his 9th or 10th Norris Trophy this year, but the lack of an award for the game's top offensive defenseman has taken away a few that he should have won in the past. Thoughts on this or any other trophies you'd like to see? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 Every time this thread pops up I always say that I want to see some award that goes to the best fanbase. What better way to promote growth? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miller76 463 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 Every time this thread pops up I always say that I want to see some award that goes to the best fanbase. What better way to promote growth? Okay if were nominating fanbases, I nominate Pissburgh! I think it's really big of them to spend all this money on authentic Crosby and Malkin jersies just to cover them up with cheap white t-shirts! If they all want to look a like, do the Calgary thing. They look way better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chunkylover 26 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 Bobby Orr Trophy - Best Offensive Defenseman - Awarded to the defenseman with the most points at the end of the year Nick Lidstrom Trophy - Best Defensive Defenseman - Awarded by vote of NHL players Norris Trophy - Best All-Around Defenseman - Awarded by vote of Professional Hockey Writers Association I think this would be a good way to separate the B.S. "Rob Blake" and "Brian Leech" wins from rest. Nick Lidstrom should be in the running for his 9th or 10th Norris Trophy this year, but the lack of an award for the game's top offensive defenseman has taken away a few that he should have won in the past. Thoughts on this or any other trophies you'd like to see? I can see the Bobby Orr Trophy happening. That way they can recognize the success of a guy like Mike Green without having to perform the mental gymnastics required to argue that he's actually a defenseman. We probably won't see a Lidstrom trophy. Doesn't it sort of diminish Nick's contributions to name a trophy reserved for only defensive defensemen? I know that's not your intention but 50 years down the road people will equate low-scoring stay-at-home types with the most dynamic all-around defensemen since Orr. I know Messier is considered THE CAPTAIN by most Canadians and hockey writers, and he already has his little corporate sponsored leadership award, but I think Steve Yzerman really epitomized heart and leadership in the latter part of his career. Maybe an award for the best captain voted on by the other captains in the league? One potential negative is that the more awards there are, the less prestigious they all become. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 I'd like to see class rewarded. I know there's the Lady Byng, but I feel that's pretty much down to penalty minutes these days. I'm thinking, of course, of Nick. My greatest memory as a lifelong hockey fan remains meeting him in the parking lot before Game 2 of the '97 SCF, asking for his autograph, seeing a look of puzzlement on his face, and then hearing him say, "You don't want my autograph. I'm a nobody." What a badass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 One potential negative is that the more awards there are, the less prestigious they all become. This. What if the best defensive d-man also has the most points? He'd then get 3 awards instead of 1, which I guess is nice for him but I think it's enough with just the Norris. I'd like to see a "Nick Lidstrom Trophy" handed out to players that have maintained a high level of play and professionalism for many years. Or something like that. More of an honorary award than something with 3 nominees every year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakKy 58 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 I can see the Bobby Orr Trophy happening. That way they can recognize the success of a guy like Mike Green without having to perform the mental gymnastics required to argue that he's actually a defenseman. We probably won't see a Lidstrom trophy. Doesn't it sort of diminish Nick's contributions to name a trophy reserved for only defensive defensemen? I know that's not your intention but 50 years down the road people will equate low-scoring stay-at-home types with the most dynamic all-around defensemen since Orr. I know Messier is considered THE CAPTAIN by most Canadians and hockey writers, and he already has his little corporate sponsored leadership award, but I think Steve Yzerman really epitomized heart and leadership in the latter part of his career. Maybe an award for the best captain voted on by the other captains in the league? One potential negative is that the more awards there are, the less prestigious they all become. Living in Ontario I have heard Yzerman referred to as 'the captain' more than Messier. Messier has kind of been 'that guy in Lays commercials and stuff'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 The Bob Probert Award. Need I explain what it's for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 The Bob Probert Andreas Lilja Award. Correct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daniel1 32 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 As much as I despise the little whiner, I would like to see the Gretzky handed out to the player with the most assists each year. Even if Wayne had never scored a single goal in the NHL he would STILL be the NHL all time points leader - that should be recognized and so should the player with the most assists each year. Yzerman Award - for dignity, class and courage that is displayed by a player throughout their CAREER. Not a one-year and done award, but rather a "lifetime" type achievement award given out to a veteran player who has epitomized leadership with class for his team over a significant amount of time. The Chelios Award - given to the oldest player in the league each year. Ok, so maybe I'm reaching with this one, but wouldn't it be cool? It could come with a box of Grecian "Just For Men" formula and a new cane. The Alexandre Daigle award - for the most over-hyped, underperforming player each year. Where are you now Joe Murphy, Pavel Brendl and Jimmy Mann? Who says all awards have to be coveted? Bobby Orr Award - highest scoring defenseman in the league each year. Keep the Norris the way it is - for best defenseman overall. The Kenny Holland - the GM who has the done the best job of building his team within the suffocating confines of the salary cap each year. Mike Illitch - owner who has showed the most dedication and loyalty to his team and players over the course of several years. Not an "each year" award, but rather one given out to reward an owner who has stuck with and stuck beside his players, GM, and coach throughout the years and is committed to and willing to do whatever is required to putting a winning team on the ice EVERY year. If it was an "every year" award, Mike Illitch would have amassed several "Mike Iliitch" awards by now, and that would just be freaky - "hey everyone, come take a look at my Mike Illitch awards I presented to myself on my mantle beside my first ever pizza box." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mitchmac33 103 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 i don't like the 3 defense men trophy thing either. i could do with an offensive defenseman award, and the norris. that way mike green gets recongized as well as someone like lids. i mean maybe we all feel that way cuz green is gonna most likely beat out lids this year. which i hope lids retains it. but other than that i can't really think of anything else i'd like added. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 i don't like the 3 defense men trophy thing either. i could do with an offensive defenseman award, and the norris. that way mike green gets recongized as well as someone like lids. i mean maybe we all feel that way cuz green is gonna most likely beat out lids this year. which i hope lids retains it. but other than that i can't really think of anything else i'd like added. Ok, I stated the Nick Lidstrom award incorrectly, I think. My main point was that it was an award that the PLAYERS voted on. Like the Pearson award, but for defensemen. So scratch the definition of the Nick Lidstrom award I gave first and replace it with "Best Defenseman, as voted on by the players". Better? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakChamber 8 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 The Class Award. Given each year to the classiest fanbase. Winner determined by an online poll of hockey fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 I'd like to see class rewarded. I know there's the Lady Byng, but I feel that's pretty much down to penalty minutes these days. I'm thinking, of course, of Nick. My greatest memory as a lifelong hockey fan remains meeting him in the parking lot before Game 2 of the '97 SCF, asking for his autograph, seeing a look of puzzlement on his face, and then hearing him say, "You don't want my autograph. I'm a nobody." What a badass. Wow, I never thought Nick thought of himself that way. I guess that's just part of who he is, he's never been one to toot his own horn......but Nick is far from a nobody. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vincanni 1 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 The Bobby Orr trophy is the only addition I would actually support them adding as a major award. Something I wouldn't mine seeing in a Messier award like capacity would be an arena award for best Ice, though that could be hard to properly tabulate due to some ice surfaces intentionally being mucked up to slow down opposing teams, unless you wanted to include that factor as part of the judging. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 9, 2009 Giving an award for best offensive defenseman is a slap in the face to guys like Orr and Lidstrom, who were great on both sides of the ice. Orr wasn't just some offensive scorer, because he was also very good defensively. The best defenseman should be the best all-around defenseman, which is exactly how it is now with the Norris. No reason to expand on it. There's honestly too many awards now as it is. For one thing, I think they should make the Hart trophy voted on by the players, and get rid of the Lester Pearson award. It usually goes to the same guy that won the Hart anyway. Also, the Jennings award is a waste of time. On top of that, there shouldn't be awards for winning the Conference, like the Campbell and Wales trophy, since the Stanley Cup is all that matters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chunkylover 26 Report post Posted June 9, 2009 Giving an award for best offensive defenseman is a slap in the face to guys like Orr and Lidstrom, who were great on both sides of the ice. Orr wasn't just some offensive scorer, because he was also very good defensively. The best defenseman should be the best all-around defenseman, which is exactly how it is now with the Norris. No reason to expand on it. I agree with this. Law of unintended consequences comes into affect. There's honestly too many awards now as it is. For one thing, I think they should make the Hart trophy voted on by the players, and get rid of the Lester Pearson award. It usually goes to the same guy that won the Hart anyway. Also, the Jennings award is a waste of time. On top of that, there shouldn't be awards for winning the Conference, like the Campbell and Wales trophy, since the Stanley Cup is all that matters. I don't agree with getting rid of stuff and for no real good reason other than the fact that it's been that way for as long as I can remember. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimace1970 81 Report post Posted June 9, 2009 The Claude Lemieux Trophy for biggest ******. Maxime Talbot comes to mind this year as a contender. And Mike Commodore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjlegend 155 Report post Posted June 9, 2009 The Claude Lemieux Trophy for biggest ******. Maxime Talbot comes to mind this year as a contender. And Mike Commodore. Great, another award for Crosby. :rotflmao: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted June 9, 2009 And the DB Trophy goes to, (drumroll), Sidney Crosby! Congratulations on your 7th straight win! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lovin Jiri Fischer 147 Report post Posted June 9, 2009 The Sidney Crosby Award should be the award for the sexiest, dreamiest player in the world as decided by the NHL Commissioner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted June 9, 2009 The Bob Probert Award. Need I explain what it's for? That's funny! I don't really want to see many more awards right now. Possibly Orr, but I think you cannot have current/recently retired players all getting awards named after them. Now if they want to have their own "Messier" type award and support it themself that's fine. I heard a called on NHL live the other day ask if the league should retire certain numbers league-wide. They used Gretzky, Orr, and Lemieux as examples. I think no way - teams' fanbases don't want to see other teams' jerseys in the rafters, or have their numbers retired. Imagine Roy's number retired league-wide - why should the Wings or other teams abide by that. Anyhow, a bit off topic, but I don't think every outstanding player needs an award. I like how most of them are named after the pioneers of the NHL... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoDakWing 8 Report post Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) The Class Award. Given each year to the classiest fanbase. Winner determined by an online poll of hockey fans. bad idea. think back to the allstar game. fans would "stuff" the ballet "box" Edited June 9, 2009 by SoDakWing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HomeNugget 2 Report post Posted June 9, 2009 No more awards. We don't need an award for every statistical category, nor do we need an award for every type of player. And while I don't support an award for best defensive defenseman, if they did create it, and they named it after Nick instead of Doug Harvey, it would be a ******* joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted June 9, 2009 No more awards. We don't need an award for every statistical category, nor do we need an award for every type of player. And while I don't support an award for best defensive defenseman, if they did create it, and they named it after Nick instead of Doug Harvey, it would be a ******* joke. Rod Langway. Though I agree with the rest of your post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
