gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Hossa is different because he is an all-star type player and a possible Hall of Famer. Hudler is not. I agree. I would probably give up more than Holland to keep him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Red Machine 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that whole part where the Wings can't trade anyone off their roster, ever. What a shocking idea. Surely Ken Holland would never think of it. Ok. Who are you going to trade? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) I agree. I would probably give up more than Holland to keep him. nvm. Edited July 1, 2009 by dat's sick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Actually, what we could afford is a couple - make that 4 - Max Talbot's. You know - the guy that outscored Hossa in the finals. Great idea....while we're at it maybe we can dump everyone except Z since Talbot outscored everyone else on the Wings too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 The problem is we're full of finesse players, and not enough grinders. We're full of them? Really? You do realize that if Hudler leaves, we've lost THREE finesse players in Samuelsson, Hossa, and Hudler, right? Retaining 1/3 hardly inflates this team with finesse over grit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuck in socal 56 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Great, Homer back on first line now.. WOO! (sarcasm). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Great idea....while we're at it maybe we can dump everyone except Z since Talbot outscored everyone else on the Wings too. Why would we dump Zetterberg? Thats the beauty of Hossa leaving. We could sign THREE Talbots and still have cap space left over! Seriously, take the Hossa hard on over to the Pens forum before I start sounding like Jake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 I still find it strange that not one media source in Detroit has reported this. They have. Detroit News I believe. HOWEVER... I'm guessing this is all based on a Holland text when asked if he heard anything from Hossa and if he was going to free agency and he apparently has said he's heard nothing so it appears so. I'm still not convinced it's over until Hossa signs with someone else. It has nothing to do with sloppy hope. I'm just not convinced he'll get the money he wants from even a halfway descent team nor am I convinced the Wings are going to have an easy time signing other guys. If Sammy looks unlikely, maybe Holland bends a little day of and sweetens the deal just a smidge and Hossa signs. We'll see... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HudlerFanatic 4 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 I still find it strange that not one media source in Detroit has reported this. Ive been following Darren Dreger (linked w/ TSN.Ca) on Twitter all day as well and there is nothing about this on his updates as of yet.....but it is, what 10:49p in Detroit....I'm 4 hrs behind......the reporters better not be waiting til the AM to report this in Detroit..... http://twitter.com/DarrenDreger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 The problem is we're full of finesse players, and not enough grinders. Assume that Hudler and Leino are re-signed. I'll bring Abs up for this list, even though he won't be here in October Datsyuk -Finesse, not soft Zetterberg -Finesse, not soft Holmstrom -Grinder Filppula -Finesse Franzen -Grinder/Finesse... possesses grinder traits, he's just a bit of a ***** Cleary -Grinder Hudler -Finesse Leino -Finesse, not soft Helm -Grinder Draper -Grinder Maltby -Grinder Abdelkader -Grinder Lidstrom- Finesse, not soft, doesn't really hit at all, in a league of his own (not with Rosie O'Donnel) Rafalski- Finesse Kronwall- Grider/Finesse Stuart- Grinder Ericsson- Grinder/Finesse Lilja- Grinder So... Forwards: 7 of 12 are 'grinders', only 2 softies Defense: 4 of 6 are 'grinders', only 1 softy (you have to be able to hit Lidstrom to call him soft ) I was fairly liberal with my labels, and assumed that Abs will be here (which he won't, at least not at the begining). But you get my point. This team isn't as 'soft' as people say. They just don't have fighters. There's a huge difference between those two things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hossa4Life 4 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Why would we dump Zetterberg? Thats the beauty of Hossa leaving. We could sign THREE Talbots and still have cap space left over! Seriously, take the Hossa hard on over to the Pens forum before I start sounding like Jake. He said everyone but Z Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Ok. Who are you going to trade? Lebda. Meech is the 7th forward/13th forward, and we're cap compliant with Leino at 875k and Hudler at 2.5M (on a supposed matched offersheet). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChitownWingsfan 54 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 (If true) Peace out, homeboy and thanks for the fun year! PS - I never believed those things the Pens fans called you when you left their town. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Here it is, but again, there's some recycled quotes here and no definite answers. http://www.detnews.com/article/20090630/SP...ee-agent-market Marian Hossa appears ready to test free-agent market Ted Kulfan / The Detroit News Detroit -- NHL free agency begins Wednesday and Marian Hossa looks likes he's going to be part of it. General manager Ken Holland and Hossa's agent Ritch Winter talked again Tuesday but came to no agreement. Hossa looks like he'll test free agency. Advertisement "It certainly appears that way," Holland said. "As I've said all along, we only have so much cap room. We have players that I'm not interested in losing." Winter wasn't available for comment. Holland also said he'll talk again with the representative for Mikael Samuelsson Wednesday morning in an effort to retain Samuelsson, who is an unrestricted free agent. Tomas Kopecky, the Wings other unrestricted free agent, will test the market and likely won't return to the Wings. Holland also said the organization will not re-sign veteran forwards Darren McCarty and Aaron Downey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Amen to all the Hudler posts! Sure he's worth more than $2.5, but not with our cap! He needs to either sign for $1.1 or get a long term Zetterberg deal that pays him $2.5 but cap hit is $1.0.... Plus a second round pick for Hudler, because of our cap situation, is golden. Besides look what we did with 2 senconds rounders this year.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 How can the Wings possibly win a Cup without Hossa? Oh wait, we did it last year. You Hossa mancrushers need to get over the fact that this was simply a one-night stand that didn't work out, because Hossa (pardon the pun), couldn't finish properly in the end. We're starting to sound like idiot Pens fans obsessing over this part time player. It's common knowledge that we won the cup in 2008 because we had so many more "enforcers" than we had this year. Man could those guys fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Assume that Hudler and Leino are re-signed. I'll bring Abs up for this list, even though he won't be here in October Franzen -Grinder/Finesse... possesses grinder traits, he's just a bit of a ***** Thanks dude, I needed that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HudlerFanatic 4 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/06/ge...he_red_win.html Getting cynical as the Red Wings free agent previews/rumors roll in Posted by George James Malik June 30, 2009 19:12PM As we stand about seventeen hours from the start of the unrestricted free agent period, my best educated guess suggests that Marian Hossa will sign somewhere else between 12 and 2 PM tomorrow, with Mikael Samuelsson and Ty Conklin soon to follow, Tomas Kopecky to last until July 3rd at the latest, and I expect someone to toss a $2.5 million offer sheet at Jiri Hudler before the week's out. I would like to think that the Wings can bid on somebody like Samuel Pahlsson (who Mark Spector reports is still talking to Chicago or John Madden as they'll probably react by looking to bolster their forward ranks for the sake of giving Justin Abdelkader more time in Grand Rapids, but I think those players will earn salaries higher than the Wings can offer them...And if you think that Chris Neil or Ian Laperriere serve as a viable "scrapper" option, TSN reports that he turned down a multi-year deal with a cap hit of $1.7 million, so don't expect either player to come cheaply. With that, let's take a look at the various Tuesday afternoon free agent previews. ESPN's EJ Hradek spoke to Sportscenter about Marian Hossa, stating that Ken Holland remains "not optimistic" about signing Hossa, and that he's probably headed to Los Angeles, in a 5:46 video (check the 4:28 remaining mark)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 We're full of them? Really? You do realize that if Hudler leaves, we've lost THREE finesse players in Samuelsson, Hossa, and Hudler, right? Retaining 1/3 hardly inflates this team with finesse over grit. Who ever said we're going to lose all three of them? Nobody has confirmed that Samuelsson or Hudler are going anywhere, so for the time being, assuming the reports regarding Hossa are true, we've lost ONE finesse player. With that said, Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Rafalski, Filppula, Leino, Franzen, Lebda, and Meech are all primarily finesse players. Yes, a few of these players, particularly Datsyuk and Zetterberg have a grinding aspect to their game, but they are offensive-minded players first and foremost. As for the rest of the team, with the exceptions of Cleary and Helm, none of them can be considered very effective "grinders," so yes, in comparison to the limited number of true grinders we have here, we are full of finesse-first players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Why would we dump Zetterberg? Thats the beauty of Hossa leaving. We could sign THREE Talbots and still have cap space left over! Seriously, take the Hossa hard on over to the Pens forum before I start sounding like Jake. Reading is such a tough skill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Leino -Finesse, not soft Leino is a tad bit soft imo. He has a pretty good nose for the net. It's just that he dives just as much as any diver. I don't know if I'd call Playoffs Filppula soft though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 It's common knowledge that we won the cup in 2008 because we had so many more "enforcers" than we had this year. Man could those guys fight. Boy you really hate tough guys on the ice don't you? Just because your boy Hossa won't be coming back doesn't mean you have to hate on the enforcers for it. And yeah, the Wings did have a tougher team in 2008 with Downey, Drake and McCarty on the roster most of the season. I'll take 4th line players who play hard any day, over some star player who plays hard when he feels like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HudlerFanatic 4 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Amen to all the Hudler posts! Sure he's worth more than $2.5, but not with our cap! He needs to either sign for $1.1 or get a long term Zetterberg deal that pays him $2.5 but cap hit is $1.0.... Plus a second round pick for Hudler, because of our cap situation, is golden. Besides look what we did with 2 senconds rounders this year.... LONG TERM-LONG TERM!!! He'll take it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 So now we are a significantly worse team then last year. You can not replace talent like Hossa, I have a bad feeling about next year. Cheer up champ- the Wings got better on paper when they added Hossa but they were still better in 07-08. This isn't the Atlanta Thrashers, losing Hossa won't crush the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 It's common knowledge that we won the cup in 2008 because we had so many more "enforcers" than we had this year. Man could those guys fight. Dallas Drake didn't hurt the cause. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
