Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 So just who do you suggest he trades in order to keep Hudler? Depends on what Hudler wants. If he's willing to sign short term for 2 million we're golden. Filppula took 3 million over the long term, so the selling point for Hudler is that he'll be able to renegotiate for a bigger amount once he hits his prime. If you sign Hudler for 2 million $, Leino for $875,000 and trade Lebda we've got: Zetterberg Datsyuk Cleary Franzen Filppula Hudler Leino Helm Holmstrom Maltby Draper X Lidstrom Rafalski Kronwall Stuart Ericsson Lilja Meech Osgood Howard With 1.15 million dollars left to sign Mr. X. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Yeah, but why pick on Jerkwater? Sammy and Huds will be replaced with other players. After all, Holland is a god, right? Why pick on JERKwater? Ummm cause of.........................................you With who?? Meech and ???? Helm is in no matter what.. Leino? Maybe Abdelkader? PA-LEASE rookies who proved they can play 20 games a season... at the NHL level. Grant you they were playoff games, but the season to get there is 80.... Oh well WINGS WILL NOT WIN THE CUP NEXT SEASON... period and bottom line, so if they let Hossa go Oh well. we lose Hudler WHo cares? You dont like what Holland does anyways so what the hell do you care? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Care to name a few? The only ones possible at that price are guys in the twilight of their career, cause if they had the qualities that Drake had and were younger, they sure as hell won't sigh for <$1mm. Had the qualities that Drake had? For under 1M? Asham, Hordichuk, Boll, Downie, Winchester, Tootoo, Clutterbuck, Kennedy, Thornton, Rypien, Peverley, Clarkson....to name a few. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Sporting News is saying the same thing but for all I know they're part of the same media outlet. I can't open the link, and so far I've checked all sources and nobody else is saying it. We can hope... Opens for me. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/06/30/hossa_wings/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xBrave_Heartx 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 That contract would be front loaded to, I dont see why Hossa wouldn't sign. I'm happy that he didn't i dont want cap issues down the road. I think our team will be more of a team next year. I think the one-man show that Hossa tried to run when he was on the ice, kind of ruined the overall team chemistry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 4-4.5 is a respectable offer for a proven player like hossa. If that report is true, hossa must have waited so long to respond because he thought holland must have been joking. Offering him under 4 mill is a absolute insult. But I agree 6 mil or anything over 5 mil would be way to much for this situation. We still have great young players that could fill the role of our 4th liners. You just seem to be one of the many Hossa Haters. I'm apathetic towards Hossa. Great player, but I never thought he fit in well with the Wings. The reason why I think it would be stupid to sign him at all is because of the depth it would've cost us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lanzorz 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Thanks for the memories, Hossa. You're a classy guy, not many would take the discount you did. You fit in well here and seemed like you were born to be a Wing. Wish you luck wherever you go, it's been fun! And hey, even classier that you didn't laugh at the Wings when they offered you 3.75-4 million and tried to work with them as long as possible. ^^ My thoughts exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 We all could be posting 10 pages of emotion for nothing. The sportsnet report could only be based on the fact that Hossa is likely to test free agency. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank Dats 'N Homer 81 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 I really wish we could have kept Hossa. Who are we ganna sign to keep us under the cap that can score 40 goals in the regualr season? I mean there are alot of free agents out there that can help this teams like players that are gritty, but its going to be hard to fill that 40 goal void we will have. I wish he would have taken the paycut, but you really cant blame the guy for not taking a 50% pay reduction. I wish him the best of luck, but at the same time i worry about our future...i mean at this rate we wont get to keep hudler either and then we have to fill 60+ goals (Hossa + Hudler)with very little cap space. I hate to be the negative wings fan, but with the very little cap space that we have, its ganna be hard to fill the voids we are ganna have. Than again, we did win it last year without Hossa and with a cheap addtion like Drake....is that what we need in the lineup? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 You people got way attatched. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HudlerFanatic 4 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Here's the one from http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/article/20...s-10-year-offer Report: Hossa rejects Red Wings' 10-year offer Sporting News staff reports Comments (0)More Login or register to post commentsPrinter-friendly versionTuesday, Jun. 30, 2009 - 11:06 p.m. ET Marian Hossa has turned down a 10-year deal with the Detroit Red Wings, according to the Canadian media outlet Sportsnet.ca. That means Hossa will be an unrestricted free agent beginning at noon Wednesday -- and likely the most coveted player on the market. The deal-breaker, according to Sportsnet, was proposal's average salary -- reportedly between $3.75 million and $4 million per season. Hossa's one-year deal this season paid him $7.45 million. For it, he delivered 40 goals and 31 assists in 76 games. He left the Pittsburgh Penguins last year after the Stanley Cup finals to join the Red Wings in hope of winning an NHL title -- only to see the Wings lose to the Penguins in seven games in the finals. ...so they're really just saying what sportsnet.ca said......still nothing on mlive or twitter or anywhere else I can find Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) Care to name a few? The only ones possible at that price are guys in the twilight of their career, cause if they had the qualities that Drake had and were younger, they sure as hell won't sigh for <$1mm. The below are to name a few that fit the mold I was referring to who are all less than 30 years old and their 2008 salary: Colton Orr - $550K Milan Lucic - $585K Maxim Lapierre - $562.5K David Clarkson - $555K Brian McGrattan - $550K There are more out there, but I'm tired of looking them up. And thank you YoungGuns for the help: Had the qualities that Drake had? For under 1M? Asham, Hordichuk, Boll, Downie, Winchester, Tootoo, Clutterbuck, Kennedy, Thornton, Rypien, Peverley, Clarkson....to name a few. Edited July 1, 2009 by ManLuv4Clears Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Red Machine 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 When its the idiocy of accepting a 2nd round pick for Jiri Hudler, yes, I tend to act like a jackass out of annoyance. First of all, a team getting a 57 point player for 2.5M at the ripe age of 25 years old is a steal of a contract as it is. Go take a look around the league and see how many guys that score over 55 points are making less than 2.5M and aren't on entry deals. The fact that a GM could sign Hudler for 2.5M AND only pay a 2nd round pick for it would be an embarrassment to the Holland regime. And just for reference, Jamal Mayers got a 2nd round pick. Chris Gratton got a 2nd round pick. Brian Sutherby got a 2nd round pick. Jim Vandermeer got a 2nd round pick. Hudler has several times over the value that those guys do. And I agree that Lebda's salary is great, but if it thats the cost of Hudler at 2.5M, so be it. Also, if Lilja is unable to play, then he qualifies for LTIR, which means the Wings can exceed the cap by 1.25M until he comes back, so they'd have plenty of time to make mid-season changes if thats the case. FYI, the Flyers kept Briere (or was it Gagne?) on LTIR so they could clear some space before he came back. Its doable. It's better than getting absolutely nothing for him, as is the case with Hossa. There is no doubt that Hudler is a bargain priced player right now, but the salary cap makes it extremely difficult for the Wings to commit so much money to a player of Hudler's type when they can sign Leino, who has a very similar style, to a much cheaper contract. If Lilja goes on LTIR, the Wings can make some moves, but what are they going to do once he is healthy and ready to play? Our best option at defense with Lilja out is Lebda. The roster and cap can get real mess if you start trading and signing players based on LTIR players. At that point, teams know that you need to clear some room and you will get very little in return. Any move at this point cares a big risk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/article/20...s-10-year-offer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 *shrug* No harm, no foul. Happy trails, Marian. Was neat to have you around for a season, best of luck wherever you end up (provided that isn't Pittsburgh or something ). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Problem is, if you match a $2.5 million offer for Hudler, you aren't getting Leino OR Abby up here. And yo uare short 2 forwards. Can't play with 10 forwards, face it, if Huds wants a raise, we'll see him somewhere else... No, actually, you can match a 2.5 million dollar offer for Hudler while keeping Leino (assuming he signs for $875,000) AND Abby: If you pay 2.5 million to Hudler you can have the following roster Zetterberg Datsyuk Cleary Franzen Filppula Hudler Leino Helm Holmstrom Maltby Draper Abdelkader Lidstrom Rafalski Kronwall Stuart Ericsson Lilja Meech Osgood Howard BUT this roster goes over by $86,868. You can reconcile that in a few ways: Dump Meech, switch Lilja for Lebda or find someone cheaper than Abdelkader. Signing Hudler to something in the 2 million to 2.25 million range is the sweetspot, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 It's better than getting absolutely nothing for him, as is the case with Hossa. There is no doubt that Hudler is a bargain priced player right now, but the salary cap makes it extremely difficult for the Wings to commit so much money to a player of Hudler's type when they can sign Leino, who has a very similar style, to a much cheaper contract. If Lilja goes on LTIR, the Wings can make some moves, but what are they going to do once he is healthy and ready to play? Our best option at defense with Lilja out is Lebda. The roster and cap can get real mess if you start trading and signing players based on LTIR players. At that point, teams know that you need to clear some room and you will get very little in return. Any move at this point cares a big risk. I'm a big Leino fan, but to expect him to step in as a rookie and replace a 57pt player is crazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Had the qualities that Drake had? For under 1M? Asham, Hordichuk, Boll, Downie, Winchester, Tootoo, Clutterbuck, Kennedy, Thornton, Rypien, Peverley, Clarkson....to name a few. Let me see, Dallas Drake, 1000 games in the league, former team captain, widely acknowledged as a great locker room guy........compared to a list of guys that includes Cal Clutterbuck who has played what, 1 full season in the league, and Rich Peverley, who has yet to play more than half of any one season in the league? Yea, thats a great comparison.....they certainly bring all the skill and intangibles that Dallas did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Let me see, Dallas Drake, 1000 games in the league, former team captain, widely acknowledged as a great locker room guy........compared to a list of guys that includes Cal Clutterbuck who has played what, 1 full season in the league, and Rich Peverley, who has yet to play more than half of any one season in the league? Yea, thats a great comparison.....they certainly bring all the skill and intangibles that Dallas did. Have you seen Clutterbuck play?!? He goes 500% every shift, hits everything, and has a decent scoring touch too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Red Machine 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) I'm a big Leino fan, but to expect him to step in as a rookie and replace a 57pt player is crazy. No one is expecting him to do that. I'd be more hopeful for around 20-30 points as I expect him to get some 3rd line time. The simple fact is that Leino is cheaper and the Wings have the ability to make up for any offense lost with the possible departure of Hudler. Edited July 1, 2009 by The Big Red Machine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings_fanatic 677 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 I do not buy this just yet as there is only one source and I do not consider it a very good one. A Few weeks ago sportsnet also said the Ducks had traded Pronger to LA and that clearly did not happen but they were somehow certain; so hopefully they are wrong about this as well. Until I hear from mlive or TSN I do not believe it. Either way I will be happy: I want Hossa to stay but if he leaves the Wings will be good still and I wish him the best luck with his future as he is a phenominal player. With that said, hopefully sportsnet is wrong again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Have you seen Clutterbuck play?!? He goes 500% every shift, hits everything, and has a decent scoring touch too. Sure, I've seen him play. He's no Dallas Drake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank Dats 'N Homer 81 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 The below are to name a few that fit the mold I was referring to who are all less than 30 years old and their 2008 salary: Colton Orr - $550K Milan Lucic - $585K Maxim Lapierre - $562.5K David Clarkson - $555K Brian McGrattan - $550K There are more out there, but I'm tired of looking them up. And thank you YoungGuns for the help: Is Lucic a free agent????????? I would ink a guy like that in heart beat, give him more than hes worth, i love his style of play and he can still chip in offensivley. Would make losing Hossa a little less sour for me, but to my recolection, hes not a FA this year. I wish he were cause i think Boston is in bad as shape in the Cap space as we are.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pskov Wings Fan 71 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Hudler, Leino and Meech bring you to 12. You're one forward short. Do we really need 13 forwards? Can we save cap space by not having this guy at all? Not sure what CBA says about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10 Minute Misconduct 104 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 10 more minutes til' the truth will set us free! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
