YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Really.....now we can afford several no talent North American thugs who can protect our Euro-***** skill players and really contribute to a successful run in the 2010 playoffs Actually, what we could afford is a couple - make that 4 - Max Talbot's. You know - the guy that outscored Hossa in the finals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Red Machine 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Draft picks? Its a 2nd round pick. Whoop-Dee-Doo. You're a moron if you think Holland would let Hudler walk away for a 2nd round pick, and not do something to make up the cap space, which would be a breeze. Hes already acknowledged that hes trading a Dman anyways, so that frees up at least 500k. And at any rate, you still haven't addressed the arbitration issue. You take a player to arbitration, hes protected from offer sheets, and can negotiate with him up until his trial. Welcome to hockey. I'd ask you to take a look at the history of the Red Wings' draft picks. I'm not so quick to throw away a 2nd rounder. Let's say the Wings cut a defenseman and have around $4 million in cap space. This team cannot afford to have $2.5 million, 63% of their remaining cap space, invested in one player. Hudler is a nice player, but he is in no means crucial to the Wings and is expendable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Actually, what we could afford is a couple - make that 4 - Max Talbot's. You know - the guy that outscored Hossa in the finals. Props !!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HudlerFanatic 4 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 To include Leino in that comparison is laughable. He hardly played. That is why I didn't put his pay...I was comparing the two others, throwing in that Leino will be signed, for not a whole lotta money. You are right........not laughable IMO, but if people are going to dis on players that don't score in 7 games....then why the hell not put him in there?! What I don't understand, is why would anyone say they are going to be sad to see Hossa go? We had him for ONE YEAR...he didn't produce as well as he was expected for over $7 mil and the Wing's have won cups in the past without him....sooooo...is it really that big of deal??? Just helps to KEEP some of the depth as others say! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 We better hope he files for arbitration and doesn't go to trial (ala Filppula) because if he goes to trial he will make more than he is worth. If Hudler is being so difficult that a deal can't be reached by arbitration - which usually comes in August - then Holland would be more prone to trade him for a reasonable return. Hes not going to get sniped away at the cost of a 2nd round pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 How can the Wings possibly win a Cup without Hossa? Oh wait, we did it last year. You Hossa mancrushers need to get over the fact that this was simply a one-night stand that didn't work out, because Hossa (pardon the pun), couldn't finish properly in the end. We're starting to sound like idiot Pens fans obsessing over this part time player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLWINGSFAN4013 5 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 good bye and good luck with your money... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 No Hudler please either ... I would rather get some picks then him on the team. Re-sign Leino and call up Adkel and Helm for full time hockey. Not going to happen man. Under the new RFA compensation chart we'd get peanuts for Hudler unless he signed a deal valued greater than 3.16 million dollars a season. Drafting a kid like Hudler requires a 1st or 2nd round pick (the 2nd rounder being if you're lucky like we were). Leino and Helm combined will be lucky to net the points Hudler will next year. Leino will probably reach 30-40 points next season if we're lucky and Helm will hopefully reach 20 points. Hudler put up 57 last year, so he's good for something in the 60's or even low 70's this season coming up. Simply put- losing Hudler would needlessly hurt our depth now that Hossa's gone. Hudler's 25 years old man- and he's already hit 57 pts. He could realistically hit the 70's or 80's in his career. Why dump that just because he's small? Not everyone on this team will be big or a hitter. We don't need 12 grinding forwards, there's room for finesse players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HudlerFanatic 4 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 How can the Wings possibly win a Cup without Hossa? Oh wait, we did it last year. You Hossa mancrushers need to get over the fact that this was simply a one-night stand that didn't work out, because Hossa (pardon the pun), couldn't finish properly in the end. We're starting to sound like idiot Pens fans obsessing over this part time player. Well, damn who woulda thought! I agree with you 100%!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 I'd ask you to take a look at the history of the Red Wings' draft picks. I'm not so quick to throw away a 2nd rounder. Let's say the Wings cut a defenseman and have around $4 million in cap space. This team cannot afford to have $2.5 million, 63% of their remaining cap space, invested in one player. Hudler is a nice player, but he is in no means crucial to the Wings and is expendable. What do the Wings history of draft picks have to do with anything? I'd ask you to look at the history of Ken Holland. Hes not dumb enough to let Hudler go for a 2nd round pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 How can the Wings possibly win a Cup without Hossa? Oh wait, we did it last year. You Hossa mancrushers need to get over the fact that this was simply a one-night stand that didn't work out, because Hossa (pardon the pun), couldn't finish properly in the end. We're starting to sound like idiot Pens fans obsessing over this part time player. We're about 80 pages short of reaching their epic thread from last summer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Not going to happen man. Under the new RFA compensation chart we'd get peanuts for Hudler unless he signed a deal valued greater than 3.16 million dollars a season. Drafting a kid like Hudler requires a 1st or 2nd round pick (the 2nd rounder being if you're lucky like we were). Leino and Helm combined will be lucky to net the points Hudler will next year. Leino will probably reach 30-40 points next season if we're lucky and Helm will hopefully reach 20 points. Hudler put up 57 last year, so he's good for something in the 60's or even low 70's this season coming up. Simply put- losing Hudler would needlessly hurt our depth now that Hossa's gone. Hudler's 25 years old man- and he's already hit 57 pts. He could realistically hit the 70's or 80's in his career. Why dump that just because he's small? Not everyone on this team will be big or a hitter. We don't need 12 grinding forwards, there's room for finesse players. The problem is we're full of finesse players, and not enough grinders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Red Machine 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) What do the Wings history of draft picks have to do with anything? I'd ask you to look at the history of Ken Holland. Hes not dumb enough to let Hudler go for a 2nd round pick. Kenny's also not dumb enough to blow most of the remaining cap space on one player when we would still need 2 more forwards. Edited July 1, 2009 by The Big Red Machine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 I'm more concerned about the possibility of losing 3 players who score goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 What do the Wings history of draft picks have to do with anything? I'd ask you to look at the history of Ken Holland. Hes not dumb enough to let Hudler go for a 2nd round pick. But with a 2nd round pick you might get lucky and draft yourself a new Hudler (who will be availible in 5 years). That's a brilliant trade! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Kenny's also not dumb enough to blow most of the remaining cap space on one player when we would still need 2 more forwards. So that's why he offered a Hossa a contract and was waiting on him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 The problem is we're full of finesse players, and not enough grinders. I don't know about grinders or finesse players or what titles have you but it would be great if they can get some 3rd/4th line versions of Zetterberg, guys who do the dirty work to win the battles for the puck without hesitation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Oh well I guess... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 The problem is we're full of finesse players, and not enough grinders. There it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b0d0m 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 For what it is worth: http://twitter.com/Trencin10 Maybe it isn't him though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Red Machine 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 So that's why he offered a Hossa a contract and was waiting on him? Hossa is different because he is an all-star type player and a possible Hall of Famer. Hudler is not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Red Machine 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 I still find it strange that not one media source in Detroit has reported this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Kenny's also not dumb enough to blow most of the remaining cap space on one player when we would still need 2 more forwards. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that whole part where the Wings can't trade anyone off their roster, ever. What a shocking idea. Surely Ken Holland would never think of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuck in socal 56 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 So now we are a significantly worse team then last year. You can not replace talent like Hossa, I have a bad feeling about next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
