Holland confirms that Hudler will play in KHL

[Casey 145]

I can't help but wonder if this is a one-year move and Hudler will return next year when Malts or one of the other older guys retires. Play outside for a year, then come back when there is the money available.

[uk_redwing 495]

I can't help but wonder if this is a one-year move and Hudler will return next year when Malts or one of the other older guys retires. Play outside for a year, then come back when there is the money available.

A strange one-year move if hes signed a two year contract.

[egroen 384]

A strange one-year move if hes signed a two year contract.

Though not if it is front-loaded and there is an "out" clause -- which it is rumored to be.

[Casey 145]

Though not if it is front-loaded and there is an "out" clause -- which it is rumored to be.

Huds could likely afford to buy it out on his own.

[kozac 10]

I'm not sure if this was posted earlier, but I just read on a Russian site that Hudler signed a 2 year deal with Dynamo worth $10 million dollars! Combine that with much lower taxes and if this is true I can't say I blame Jiri. Get that money kid.

[96warrior 11]

Ken Holland still wants to re-sign Jiri Hudler before arbitration date

Posted by George James Malik July 22, 2009 06:01AM

Red Wings GM Ken Holland wants to keep Detroit's record in terms of avoiding arbitration hearings with its players on a 14-year roll (the Wings haven't had to head to Toronto since Ray Sheppard's 1995 hearing), but the Free Press's George Sipple reports that Holland's keeping his expectations low regarding the probability of Jiri Hudler actually playing for the Wings during the 2009-2010 season:

July 22, Detroit Free Press: Wings general manager Ken Holland said he spoke to the agent for restricted free agent Jiri Hudler last week and was hoping to talk to him again in the next couple of days. Hudler elected for arbitration, and the sides have a hearing scheduled for July 30 in Toronto.

The Wings will ask for a two-year award. Hudler signed a two-year deal with Moscow Dynamo of the Kontinental Hockey League for what amounts to $10 million tax-free.

The Wings would like to work out a deal with Hudler before going to arbitration, but they won't offer him anything close to his Dynamo deal. Because he signed with the Dynamo after filing for NHL arbitration, the Wings believe Hudler intends to play in Russia next season.

He does, and the NHL's battle with the KHL over Hudler's rights won't end if/when the Red Wings re-sign him.

[Echolalia 2,961]

I wonder if the NHL will be more inclined to award Hudler a greater deal of money after his signing in the KHL for 10M to possibly prevent him from being poached. At the same time, I can see the NHL wanting to send a message to all players who might try to use the KHL as leverage and award Hudler very little.

[e_prime 1,936]

I wonder if the NHL will be more inclined to award Hudler a greater deal of money after his signing in the KHL for 10M to possibly prevent him from being poached. At the same time, I can see the NHL wanting to send a message to all players who might try to use the KHL as leverage and award Hudler very little.

Which begs the question, Who exactly ARE the Salary Arbitrators that preside over these hearings?

This is a mess.

[uk_redwing 495]

I still dont want him in Detroit.

[AtomicPunk 296]

Off topic....just watched the video of Kozlov that Haroldsnepsts posted....nice of Clement to keep calling him "Viktor" Kozlov.

He might have responded to Viktor at that point.

[96warrior 11]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...er_will_go.html

Red Wings, Jiri Hudler will go to salary arbitration, club anticipates he will play in Russia next season

by Ansar Khan

Wednesday July 22, 2009, 3:20 PM

Wings general manager Ken Holland said today that the club will head to salary arbitration with forward Jiri Hudler on July 20 in Toronto. Hudler's agent, Petr Svoboda, told Holland the 25-year-old left wing intends on playing in Russia next season.

"They have no intention of negotiating a settlement, they want the case heard before an arbitrator,'' Holland said.

The NHL apparently will not be able to prevent Hudler from playing for Moscow Dynamo. Hudler signed a two-year, $10 million (tax-free) deal with the Kontinental Hockey League club on July 8. The NHL has tried to void the deal, claiming Hudler is obligated to the Wings because he filed for salary arbitration on July 5.

The salary arbitration hearing will determine Hudler's contract if and when he returns to the NHL. The Wings, whose last offer to Hudler was for five years at $15 million, will ask for a two-year deal.

The arbitrator can side with the Wings or Hudler, or award any amount in between.

Holland said it's highly unlikely the Wings exercise their "walk away" option and lose Hudler's NHL rights.

[LeftWinger 5,153]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...er_will_go.html

Red Wings, Jiri Hudler will go to salary arbitration, club anticipates he will play in Russia next season

by Ansar Khan

Wednesday July 22, 2009, 3:20 PM

Wings general manager Ken Holland said today that the club will head to salary arbitration with forward Jiri Hudler on July 20 in Toronto. Hudler's agent, Petr Svoboda, told Holland the 25-year-old left wing intends on playing in Russia next season.

"They have no intention of negotiating a settlement, they want the case heard before an arbitrator,'' Holland said.

The NHL apparently will not be able to prevent Hudler from playing for Moscow Dynamo. Hudler signed a two-year, $10 million (tax-free) deal with the Kontinental Hockey League club on July 8. The NHL has tried to void the deal, claiming Hudler is obligated to the Wings because he filed for salary arbitration on July 5.

The salary arbitration hearing will determine Hudler's contract if and when he returns to the NHL. The Wings, whose last offer to Hudler was for five years at $15 million, will ask for a two-year deal.

The arbitrator can side with the Wings or Hudler, or award any amount in between.

Holland said it's highly unlikely the Wings exercise their "walk away" option and lose Hudler's NHL rights.

[AD2044 0]

all i got to say is cya later buddy

now sign pyatt and grier and we got another cup coming our way

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[StevieY9802 6]

Not surprised and that's fine. If he comes back he'll have to play for less than what he probably would be getting 2 years from now. While I wish they could keep his offense they have money to spend on guys who will cost much less. Some of the guys out there will for sure have to take less money than they did last year. The advantage of waiting.

[Inultus 12]

So he still intends on playing there but the KHL said they wouldn't let him play because the NHL said they still have the rights...so which is it?

[uk_redwing 495]

Woo! Too bad there arnt really many decent free agents left...

[AD2044 0]

here is the thing throw hossa's goals from last year out the window. we do not need to make up for his goals because we didn' win the cup with his goals as opposed to the year before when we did without them. so how many did sammy. huds and kopy score? like 50 or 60 combined so the way i see it we need to make up for those goals. to me if you had a 3rd line of abby-helm-cleary you would see elm put up 10 goals and abby put up 17. now we only need to account for 30 goals. Leino playing on a 2nd line with franzen and fils would net 20 goals easy so now you only have to acount for 10 or so goals. by adding players like Pyatt and Grier to the 4th line would for sure account for 10 goals combined. so the way i see it we will be just fine in the goal scoring department. plus in my eyes i can't wai to see how dominant our d will be after a full year of Big Rig playing.

[HudlerFanatic 4]

here is the thing throw hossa's goals from last year out the window. we do not need to make up for his goals because we didn' win the cup with his goals as opposed to the year before when we did without them. so how many did sammy. huds and kopy score? like 50 or 60 combined so the way i see it we need to make up for those goals. to me if you had a 3rd line of abby-helm-cleary you would see elm put up 10 goals and abby put up 17. now we only need to account for 30 goals. Leino playing on a 2nd line with franzen and fils would net 20 goals easy so now you only have to acount for 10 or so goals. by adding players like Pyatt and Grier to the 4th line would for sure account for 10 goals combined. so the way i see it we will be just fine in the goal scoring department. plus in my eyes i can't wai to see how dominant our d will be after a full year of Big Rig playing.

WHAT?!

Cleary on line 3?

Leino on line 2?

You honestly think that Leino-Franzen-Fils is a good line....for Line #2......REALLY??? Leino on line 2 but Huds wasn't good enough for #2 and you want to move Cleary to #3.......what kinda shananigans are you trying to pull???

Why don't you just put Abby on line #1 and bring back Cheli and put him there as well...and Z & Dats on #4.......ah hell.....let's just go ahead and put the younger kids all on 1 & 2 and bring those "experienced" players down to 3 & 4....

That is insanely insane nonsense!

[Peleshob 0]

WHAT?!

Cleary on line 3?

Leino on line 2?

You honestly think that Leino-Franzen-Fils is a good line....for Line #2......REALLY??? Leino on line 2 but Huds wasn't good enough for #2 and you want to move Cleary to #3.......what kinda shananigans are you trying to pull???

Why don't you just put Abby on line #1 and bring back Cheli and put him there as well...and Z & Dats on #4.......ah hell.....let's just go ahead and put the younger kids all on 1 & 2 and bring those "experienced" players down to 3 & 4....

That is insanely insane nonsense!

What's so insane about it? Cleary's a good player on the team, but Leino seems to be more geared for offense. In his short stint with the Wings he showed he's plenty capable of putting up point at the NHL level, and could probably compliment Flip and Mule quite nicely. By throwing Cleary on a line with Franzen you essentially have two "net presence" guys on the same line. I think it's far more likely that you'll see Clearly on the first line and Holmstrom moved down to the third.

Leino on the 2nd line isn't THAT far fetched. But you go ahead and overexaggerate like you did... ok.

[eva unit zero 271]

What's so insane about it? Cleary's a good player on the team, but Leino seems to be more geared for offense. In his short stint with the Wings he showed he's plenty capable of putting up point at the NHL level, and could probably compliment Flip and Mule quite nicely. By throwing Cleary on a line with Franzen you essentially have two "net presence" guys on the same line. I think it's far more likely that you'll see Clearly on the first line and Holmstrom moved down to the third.

Leino on the 2nd line isn't THAT far fetched. But you go ahead and overexaggerate like you did... ok.

Leino on the 2nd line isn't that far fetched? Leino is not as good as Hudler in any area of offense, and offense is why people are suggesting Leino for the second line. Yet people said Hudler wasn't good enough for the second line. There is no logical reason for this other than people disliking Hudler.

[55fan 5,133]

WHAT?!

Cleary on line 3?

Leino on line 2?

You honestly think that Leino-Franzen-Fils is a good line....for Line #2......REALLY??? Leino on line 2 but Huds wasn't good enough for #2 and you want to move Cleary to #3.......what kinda shananigans are you trying to pull???

Why don't you just put Abby on line #1 and bring back Cheli and put him there as well...and Z & Dats on #4.......ah hell.....let's just go ahead and put the younger kids all on 1 & 2 and bring those "experienced" players down to 3 & 4....

That is insanely insane nonsense!

Cleary is a hard-worker who is becoming Holmstromesque in front of the net. He is one of the few players on this team who can hold his own and add significantly to any line in a variety of roles. Cleary on the first line is no more preposterous than Cleary on the third line. However, as stated by others, he pretty much duplicates Franzen as far as net presence.

If Homer's lagging last season was primarily due to his injuries, then I would move Cleary to the first line with Z&D. Otherwise, Cleary is a most capable third liner who adds a scoring threat to that line. Considering that, in my line-up, we have Z&D on the first line and Mule on the second, having Cleary on the third makes that third line a scoring threat as well as adding defensive responsibility.

There is nothing insane about it. Cleary is that versatile.

Ask your doctor if Valium is right for you.

[Peleshob 0]

Leino on the 2nd line isn't that far fetched? Leino is not as good as Hudler in any area of offense, and offense is why people are suggesting Leino for the second line. Yet people said Hudler wasn't good enough for the second line. There is no logical reason for this other than people disliking Hudler.

And suggesting that Leino can't play on the 2nd line because others said Hudler couldn't is logical? Both are talented players. Nowhere in my post did I suggest that Leino was better than Hudler, just that him playing on the 2nd line isn't that out of the question.

Hudler's going to the KHL, he won't be on any line. Oh well.

[titanium2 867]

WHAT?!

Cleary on line 3?

Leino on line 2?

You honestly think that Leino-Franzen-Fils is a good line....for Line #2......REALLY??? Leino on line 2 but Huds wasn't good enough for #2 and you want to move Cleary to #3.......what kinda shananigans are you trying to pull???

Why don't you just put Abby on line #1 and bring back Cheli and put him there as well...and Z & Dats on #4.......ah hell.....let's just go ahead and put the younger kids all on 1 & 2 and bring those "experienced" players down to 3 & 4....

That is insanely insane nonsense!

Haha - Well hello there. We've missed you. It's been rather boring around here and there you are to the rescue!!!

[titanium2 867]

And suggesting that Leino can't play on the 2nd line because others said Hudler couldn't is logical? Both are talented players. Nowhere in my post did I suggest that Leino was better than Hudler, just that him playing on the 2nd line isn't that out of the question.

Hudler's going to the KHL, he won't be on any line. Oh well.

Doesn't anyone remember that stretch where Leino did play on the 2nd line? 21-51-81. Yes, I know Hossa is gone, but I'm guessing that Leino got more minutes on the 2nd line than Hudler did last year's regular season. It's not that unfathomable.