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[Wingseroo 0]

It's sad that Draper and Maltby are still around, if this wasn't the red wings they would have been traded years ago..draper has a caphit of more than a millinon i know a more than a handful players out there that could do a beter jobb for 2-300k less.... sure nice with loyalty and stuff but this isnt school where everyone is equally worth, this is pro hockey and the best players available should always play, not because they are a part of history... i still don't get why they brought mccarty to the team last year either.

Yeah it is getting that time for these guys, but Maltby is cheap veteran and Draper I think they feel 1.5 mil for defense and leadership he is worth it... If you are going to go this route explain 2.25mil for Homer then (maybe he rebounds at 36 I just do not see it)... I mean if Maltby retired it would be a prefect slot for a 600K guy like Oulahan from inside the system...

[Guest mindfly]

Yep, there are a few untested players even within the system that could do better than maltby... maltby is so slow and is just a shadow of his prime... sad story.

[xBrave_Heartx 0]

Someone say Travis Moen?

That hasn't been said at all!!! hahahaha

Seriously though, I wouldn't mind Moen and Nichol, Or Moen and McGrattan, Or Moen and Roy, Or Moen and Grattan, Or Moen and Kosto, Or Moen and Hinote

hahaha I just want Moen and another gritty compliment.

[Snazzy 0]

If people want a goal scorer to fill the void, then Brendan Shanahan is the man. He'll put up 20+ goals and should be a 40+ point producer. I'm sure he could be had for around $800,000 - $900,000 for a 1-year deal. He could retire a Red Wing. 40+ points for under 1 million is a ******* bargain.

So that's how we make up the "88" less goals next season:

Shanny 20

Leino 15

Helm 10

Abby 9

Oulahen 8

Ericsson 8

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Total 70 goals

= 18 less than last year.

277 Goals For. That is ELITE! That's 20 more goals than 2007/08 -- the year we won the cup.

(assuming Zetterberg and Flip both have off years and Flip doesn't increase goal production with more ice time)

[BigWinston 15]

I'd like to see Mike Grier here. Local guy who has the grit we need.

[Guest mindfly]

Shanny would never return to detroit as long as babcock is the headcoach.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

If people want a goal scorer to fill the void, then Brendan Shanahan is the man. He'll put up 20+ goals and should be a 40+ point producer. I'm sure he could be had for around $800,000 - $900,000 for a 1-year deal. He could retire a Red Wing. 40+ points for under 1 million is a ******* bargain.

So that's how we make up the "88" less goals next season:

Shanny 20

Leino 15

Helm 10

Abby 9

Oulahen 8

Ericsson 8

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Total 70 goals

= 18 less than last year.

277 Goals For. That is ELITE! That's 20 more goals than 2007/08 -- the year we won the cup.

(assuming Zetterberg and Flip both have off years and Flip doesn't increase goal production with more ice time)

I agree with the rest, but no way Oulahen scores 8, Malts can barely get 6 anymore.

[Opie 308]

I agree with the rest, but no way Oulahen scores 8, Malts can barely get 6 anymore.

Malts can bare leave the zone anymore!

[MadMan Mark 0]

I think the best pick up is Malhotra. We have seen him play enough and I think his style fits. The price fits with what we have available.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Malts can bare leave the zone anymore!

Good point

[Number19 159]

Maltby hate is getting old. It's like people forget the playoffs even existed and go right back to regular season mode. He played well when it mattered.

[Number19 159]

no way shanahan returns but I'd love to be proved wrong.

Edited July 10, 2009 by Number19

[Herr Hockey 0]

The Wings do have to make up for those 88 goals to a certain extent. If people think that Leino, Helm, Abdelkader, and Ericsson will probably do it to that extent, they are delusional. Each will be entering their first full seasons in the NHL. When it comes down to it, just about everybody on that list has some downside that people are going to ***** about. That's just how it is. I know wanting ex-Wings has been just a big fad around hear the past few years, but when I look at that list, I only see three players that can give us goals. Sykora, Shanahan, and Bertuzzi. Two of them just happen to be ex-wings. Sykora was scratched almost the entire playoffs, so he'd be the last of those three I would want.

Think about it this way. There are two things going against the Wings favor next season:

1. We're not sure if Howard is a capable backup to play 25 games and put up a decent winning percentage.

2. 88 goals from last season are missing.

If both of those become worst case scenario (Howard can't win games and our rookies aren't making up for missing goals), then the team could be in deep s***. Sure, Shanahan and Bert aren't the best backcheckers in the world, but each would get around 20 goals for sure, and if lucky, a little bit more. We need those goals to minimize risks for next season. IMO, the best option would be to get one of those two guys, and if possible, one of Moen/Niedermayer/Malholtra/Nichol/Grier. Wanting one of Shanahan or Bertuzzi has nothing to do with them being ex-wings, it has to do with wanting someone who will likely score 20 goals.

EDIT: Also, Shanahan could replace Sammy on the point on the 2nd PP unit. We all know how much Babcock loves that left/right handed combo on the blueline. He did plenty of point play in NY when I watched him.

Edited July 10, 2009 by Herr Hockey

[55fan 5,133]

Maltby hate is getting old. It's like people forget the playoffs even existed and go right back to regular season mode. He played well when it mattered.

I realize we haven't been properly introduced, but can I hug you?

People would think that Maltby has the same role on the team as Dats or Zata. He's a 4th liner who can fill in in the press box if need be. He's better than some out there, and he has a great deal of experience to help the young guys that are coming up. They are our future. He will be leaving soon.

He's not what he once was, but neither is anyone at that age. He is what he is now. A role player on the last year of his contract. Do you really think that he won't be playing balls to the wall next year in the playoffs so he can go out on top? He's getting old; he's not lazy and sucks.

Edited July 10, 2009 by 55fan

[Opie 308]

Maltby hate is getting old. It's like people forget the playoffs even existed and go right back to regular season mode. He played well when it mattered.

I didn't hate on him. The fact is he is old and can not pot goals like he used, he is a defensive specialist now. Offense from him was like offense from Downey, rainbow sprinkles on top of the whip cream. It was nice to have.

Did I say he sucks, no. But very rarely is he seen in the O zone.

And he needs to retire, which I am sure he will after this contract.

Love the guy, but he is not potting 5-7 goals this year not because of his role, and if Ole can get into the old Maltby role he could pot 5-10 goals, 10 being the extreme I would expect from him.

[cr00d 26]

I could see Holland having interest in P.J. Axelsson.

Agree 100x with this.

In fact, out of all the players on the list, I see PJ as being the most likely to land in Detroit.

[stevkrause 1,247]

Agree 100x with this.

In fact, out of all the players on the list, I see PJ as being the most likely to land in Detroit.

I just don't see spending that kinda money on a guy who isn't a great physical threat or a great scorer, just ok at both... if he's willing to sign for 1.4 or less, then I'm on board... why not bring in another Sweede, we gotta replace the one we lost, haha

But seriously, I see him wanting a lateral move or maybe even a little more than he got last year and I just don't see him being worth it

[Snazzy 0]

The Wings do have to make up for those 88 goals to a certain extent. If people think that Leino, Helm, Abdelkader, and Ericsson will probably do it to that extent, they are delusional. Each will be entering their first full seasons in the NHL. When it comes down to it, just about everybody on that list has some downside that people are going to ***** about. That's just how it is. I know wanting ex-Wings has been just a big fad around hear the past few years, but when I look at that list, I only see three players that can give us goals. Sykora, Shanahan, and Bertuzzi. Two of them just happen to be ex-wings. Sykora was scratched almost the entire playoffs, so he'd be the last of those three I would want.

Think about it this way. There are two things going against the Wings favor next season:

1. We're not sure if Howard is a capable backup to play 25 games and put up a decent winning percentage.

2. 88 goals from last season are missing.

If both of those become worst case scenario (Howard can't win games and our rookies aren't making up for missing goals), then the team could be in deep s***. Sure, Shanahan and Bert aren't the best backcheckers in the world, but each would get around 20 goals for sure, and if lucky, a little bit more. We need those goals to minimize risks for next season. IMO, the best option would be to get one of those two guys, and if possible, one of Moen/Niedermayer/Malholtra/Nichol/Grier. Wanting one of Shanahan or Bertuzzi has nothing to do with them being ex-wings, it has to do with wanting someone who will likely score 20 goals.

EDIT: Also, Shanahan could replace Sammy on the point on the 2nd PP unit. We all know how much Babcock loves that left/right handed combo on the blueline. He did plenty of point play in NY when I watched him.

Who said Leino, Helm, Abdelkader, and Ericsson will net 80-some goals respectively? I have not read anyone making such claims. Please copy & paste all the posters who are making such claims, because I don't believe there are any.

Please and thank you.

[Guest mindfly]

P-J Axelsson has expressed interest in returning to Frolunda in SEL. I wouldnt count on him.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Travis Moen will make up for the 88 goals all by himself, probably by the Olympic break. Then he'll karate chop Chuck Norris in the face, and re-sign for $500,000 because he considers himself blessed to be a Wing.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Travis Moen will make up for the 88 goals all by himself, probably by the Olympic break. Then he'll karate chop Chuck Norris in the face, and re-sign for $500,000 because he considers himself blessed to be a Wing.

Now your talking!

I think someone needs to get an avatar of Moen in Jesus' robe and have a halo over his head.

Edited July 10, 2009 by Detroit # 1 Fan

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Travis Moen will make up for the 88 goals all by himself, probably by the Olympic break. Then he'll karate chop Chuck Norris in the face, and re-sign for $500,000 because he considers himself blessed to be a Wing.

Little known fact: the San Jose Sharks were the 2009 Stanley Cup Champions. Travis Moen wouldn't allow them to lose.

[Snazzy 0]

I agree with the rest, but no way Oulahen scores 8, Malts can barely get 6 anymore.

Bold statement, especially considering he was nearly a 20 goal scorer in the AHL.

[Herr Hockey 0]

Who said Leino, Helm, Abdelkader, and Ericsson will net 80-some goals respectively? I have not read anyone making such claims. Please copy & paste all the posters who are making such claims, because I don't believe there are any.

Please and thank you.

Gee, good thing I never actually said that, because if I did, I would be unable to find you those posts. I said "to an extent" for a reason. It's obvious that you only read my post "to an extent" as well. I think everyone agrees that to a certain extent those goals need to be made up for (as in the Wings can't actually score 88 less goals). There are more than a few people on here that think that those 4 players will be adequate enough to make up for the goals to that certain extent. I am saying there there is a good chance that they won't, and that, combined with the fact that there is a chance Howard won't be a capable backup in a 25-30 game role, the Wings' worst case scenario could get ugly. Next time, read the post a little more carefully, and such problems can be avoided.

Please and thank you.

[Wingseroo 0]

Travis Moen will make up for the 88 goals all by himself, probably by the Olympic break. Then he'll karate chop Chuck Norris in the face, and re-sign for $500,000 because he considers himself blessed to be a Wing.

LMFAO, Best post I have read on here...