Osgood NOT Hall Worthy?

[LeftWinger 5,153]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/alltime/leaders?cat=goaliewins

Goalie Win Leaders

RANK PLAYER AMT

1 MARTIN BRODEUR 557

2 Patrick Roy 551

3 Ed Belfour 484

4 CURTIS JOSEPH 454

5 Terry Sawchuk 447

6 Jacques Plante 437

7 Tony Esposito 423

8 Glenn Hall 407

9 Grant Fuhr 403

10 Dominik Hasek 389

CHRIS OSGOOD 389

Ozzie has 2 more years on his contract, with the VERY inexperienced Howard coming up, it is not out of the question that Osgood may get 30-40 wins this year, considering that the Wings barely lose 25 games a year, someone has got to win them, I will give Howard 15, that gives Ozzie 42 wins this season. If he can get that, plaus have another solid 25-30 win season in 2010-2011, he will finish in 4th place (if CuJo doesn't get anymore wins.) Right now, that list is ALL solid HOF's, Osgood included.

I know, oh great, another Osgood debate! But, heck, what else is there to talk about? Not much happening until after the 30th anyhow!

Osgood's number WILL be retired and he WILL be in the Hall of Fame! You cannot deny the numbers! I don't want to hear that "he played for the Wings" either! Can you name me the sucky teams Roy or Brodeur or Belfour played for? They ALL played behind GREAT defensive teams, everyone of them had help getting to where they are!

Edited July 24, 2009 by LeftWinger

[AtomicPunk 296]

Didn't CuJo retire?

I think Osgood has the numbers, I think he is worthy, but will not get voted in.

[Casey 145]

He probably won't be a first-ballot Hall of Famer, simply based on the perceptions that he's had an easy ride of it. However, I believe strongly he will get in. As for retiring the number, having a hand in 3 Cups, starting goaltender for 2, and holding the Wings record for most playoff wins? No way he stays out.

Most wins for a goaltender in a Wings sweater is Sawchuk with 447. Osgood is sitting pretty at 375. Two seasons of 40 leaves Sawchuk in the rearview.

[FifeHockeyNut 57]

Didn't CuJo retire?

I think Osgood has the numbers, I think he is worthy, but will not get voted in.

My thoughts exactly, Osgood will finish his career with some of the best net minding numbers, but will never have the popular vote.

[Reds4Life 51]

Wins = team stat. Osgood is not HoF worthy imho. He will never even come close to Sawchuk, that's for sure.

Edited July 24, 2009 by Reds4Life

[ltgator333 3]

He probably won't be a first-ballot Hall of Famer, simply based on the perceptions that he's had an easy ride of it. However, I believe strongly he will get in. As for retiring the number, having a hand in 3 Cups, starting goaltender for 2, and holding the Wings record for most playoff wins? No way he stays out.

Most wins for a goaltender in a Wings sweater is Sawchuk with 447. Osgood is sitting pretty at 375. Two seasons of 40 leaves Sawchuk in the rearview.

He's came anywhere near a Vezina trophy once. That's why he's iffy with me. He may, he may not, but not a first-year guy.

He and Cujo I think are a lot alike, except Osgood wins in the playoffs and that's his biggest plus.

[MidMichSteve 1,115]

He probably won't be a first-ballot Hall of Famer, simply based on the perceptions that he's had an easy ride of it. However, I believe strongly he will get in. As for retiring the number, having a hand in 3 Cups, starting goaltender for 2, and holding the Wings record for most playoff wins? No way he stays out.

Most wins for a goaltender in a Wings sweater is Sawchuk with 447. Osgood is sitting pretty at 375. Two seasons of 40 leaves Sawchuk in the rearview.

Exactly.

I'm not too sure about having his number retired though. It's been stated here many times that having a number retired in Detroit is much more difficult then entering the Hall of Fame.

[T-Ruff 47]

You won't find many non-Wings fans who believe he will get in.... We'll have to see, it'll be close...

[LeftWinger 5,153]

Wins = team stat. Osgood is not HoF worthy imho. He will never even come close to Sawchuk, that's for sure.

So Sawchuk won all those games by himself? As did Broduer and Roy? You are just anti-Osgood! Still hating that they didn't keep Manny? C'Mon! Sure, Sawchuk is in superstar hall of famer, but you cannot deny the numbers, you say wins is a team stat, so it doesn't matter that of ALL TIME goalies that have played 600 or more games he is FOURTH in GAA? Is that a team stat too?

1. Brodeur 2.20 GAA 968 games

2. Hasek 2.20 GAA 735 games

3. Plante 2.38 GAA 837 games

4. OSGOOD 2.43 GAA 664 games

what are we talking about here, what makes it a non-team stat? Shut outs? 23rd ALL TIME. Save %? 24th ALL TIME. What else do you need? He has the numbers, even in the 90's Detroit wasn't the BEST defensive team, it was always Dallas and New Jersey ahead of them, so does Brodeur or Belfour deserve to be snubbed to? They are also no Terry Sawchuk's respectively, but they wll surely get in the Hall. You Osgood haters need to get the foots out of your mouths because he has been consistanly the BEST goaltender in this Organization SINCE Sawchuk! And soon, when he passess Sawchuk in career wins, he will be the best. He may not get 103 shutouts, or win a vezina, but the rest of the stats are there...

hey, Kolzig, Carey, Theodore and Lindburgh all won Vezina's, will they get in the Hall? Hell, Theodore won a Hart does that put him ahead of Osgood? Or were those two awards just because of "Who He Play Behind?"

Edited July 24, 2009 by LeftWinger

[The Wizard of Oz 0]

So Sawchuk won all those games by himself? As did Broduer and Roy? You are just anti-Osgood! Still hating that they didn't keep Manny? C'Mon! Sure, Sawchuk is in superstar hall of famer, but you cannot deny the numbers, you say wins is a team stat, so it doesn't matter that of ALL TIME goalies that have played 600 or more games he is FOURTH in GAA? Is that a team stat too?

1. Brodeur 2.20 GAA 968 games

2. Hasek 2.20 GAA 735 games

3. Plante 2.38 GAA 837 games

4. OSGOOD 2.43 GAA 664 games

what are we talking about here, what makes it a non-team stat? Shut outs? 23rd ALL TIME. Save %? 24th ALL TIME. What else do you need? He has the numbers, even in the 90's Detroit wasn't the BEST defensive team, it was always Dallas and New Jersey ahead of them, so does Brodeur or Belfour deserve to be snubbed to? They are also no Terry Sawchuk's respectively, but they wll surely get in the Hall. You Osgood haters need to get the foots out of your mouths because he has been consistanly the BEST goaltender in this Organization SINCE Sawchuk! And soon, when he passess Sawchuk in career wins, he will be the best. He may not get 103 shutouts, or win a vezina, but the rest of the stats are there...

hey, Kolzig, Carey, Theodore and Lindburgh all won Vezina's, will they get in the Hall? Hell, Theodore won a Hart does that put him ahead of Osgood? Or were those two awards just because of "Who He Play Behind?"

very nice stats! i believe he should be in first ballot. i dont know y no one else sees it.

[Pucks 66]

The hall should be more than just numbers. It should be about the best players of their generation for their position. Osgood will end up with impressive numbers, but I would never place him in the top 5 goalies in any year he played. He's is overrated by wings fans and underrated by most else. The truth is he falls comfortably in the middle. A solid role playing guy that loved being a wing, but most definitely NOT a hall of flame player.

[LeftWinger 5,153]

The hall should be more than just numbers. It should be about the best players of their generation for their position. Osgood will end up with impressive numbers, but I would never place him in the top 5 goalies in any year he played. He's is overrated by wings fans and underrated by most else. The truth is he falls comfortably in the middle. A solid role playing guy that loved being a wing, but most definitely NOT a hall of flame player.

Agree somewhat, but Belfour was not the best of his generation and neither was Esposito. Its about stats, Cups and longevity. Osgood has them all, and if he does finish top 5 ALL TIME in wins, a Hall snub would be a travisty!

[mackel 767]

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Ozzie has 2 more years on his contract, with the VERY inexperienced Howard coming up, it is not out of the question that Osgood may get 30-40 wins this year, considering that the Wings barely lose 25 games a year, someone has got to win them, I will give Howard 15, that gives Ozzie 42 wins this season. If he can get that, plaus have another solid 25-30 win season in 2010-2011, he will finish in 4th place (if CuJo doesn't get anymore wins.) Right now, that list is ALL solid HOF's, Osgood included.

I know, oh great, another Osgood debate! But, heck, what else is there to talk about? Not much happening until after the 30th anyhow!

Osgood's number WILL be retired and he WILL be in the Hall of Fame! You cannot deny the numbers! I don't want to hear that "he played for the Wings" either! Can you name me the sucky teams Roy or Brodeur or Belfour played for? They ALL played behind GREAT defensive teams, everyone of them had help getting to where they are!

Then why did you start this thread?

[eva unit zero 271]

The hall should be more than just numbers. It should be about the best players of their generation for their position. Osgood will end up with impressive numbers, but I would never place him in the top 5 goalies in any year he played. He's is overrated by wings fans and underrated by most else. The truth is he falls comfortably in the middle. A solid role playing guy that loved being a wing, but most definitely NOT a hall of flame player.

Osgood was one of the league's top goalies for most of his career. He never had a losing season, and was a clutch performer in the postseason. Even the best goalies ever played for great defensive teams, so the teams he played on should not be used against him. Ozzie is a Hall of Famer, and the only Wings goalie that compares to his career in the winged wheel is Sawchuk; Osgood's career as a Wing is amazing and over the course of the remainder he may claim the team wins record as well as more Cups. Number retirement gets more likely with each passing day.

[SweWings 45]

This should be one of those posts that's permanently stickied, a FAQ if you will.

[egroen 384]

I think he is iffy now -- and would like to see more from him.

As it is, he wouldn't be the worst in there, but 3 Cups and at least another solid regular season would make him look a lot better.

He is the 5th best goalie of his generation, behind Hasek, Roy, Brodeur and Belfour -- all of whom are guaranteed Hall of Famers, three first-ballots. I just think he might be another Ciccarelli if we don't see more from him.

And before anyone pipes in with "Do Hasek and Belfour have as many Cups as a starter????" Of course, Osgood is a winner and clutch, but do any of you really doubt those goalies would have any less success in Detroit?

Edited July 25, 2009 by egroen

[Echolalia 2,961]

There are less and less arguments against his admittance into the Hall of Fame. I don't think he will be a first ballot, like Casey said, but I don't see how they won't let him in.

[Greatness=PavelDatsyuk 65]

Like many have said, I think he will get in, but not on a first ballet. I also think the Wings will never retire his jersey. Sure he has been great for us, but when you look at who is up there now, and the addition of #5 when he retires, you could not retire his jersey.

[edicius 3,269]

If Brodeur gets in, so does Ozzie.

Brodeur has had an easy go of it playing behind highly skilled defensive teams in New Jersey his entire career, right?

[rage 24]

If Brodeur gets in, so does Ozzie.

Brodeur has had an easy go of it playing behind highly skilled defensive teams in New Jersey his entire career, right?

Man that's bold.

I think he'll get in however, just not in record time?

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Osgood is Hall of Fame worthy. Whether he gets in or not is another deal alltogether.

[Guest mindfly]

Osgod should not be in the hall-of-fame.. maybe if the wings win the next two cups but that is very unlikely.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Osgod should not be in the hall-of-fame.. maybe if the wings win the next two cups but that is very unlikely.

Why not and how do you know?

[LeftWinger 5,153]

If Brodeur gets in, so does Ozzie.

Brodeur has had an easy go of it playing behind highly skilled defensive teams in New Jersey his entire career, right?

nice daily dose of sarcasm, are you saying that while Brodeur has EARNED his stats that Ozzie has had it easy his entire career?

[Guest mindfly]

Why not and how do you know?

He just isn't hall-of-fame worthy and not good enough and spare me the number of wins that's all about the team.. he's won 2 cups as a starting goalie.. question is if thats enough for the hall... there are many players who won the cup 2 times.