Best All-Time Red Wings Line

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worst all time d

Hatcher and Krupp

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Based primarily on their Red Wings careers:

Forwards:

G.Howe

Yzerman

Lindsay

Fedorov

Delvecchio

Abel

Shanahan

S.Howe

Aurie

Redmond

Ullman

F.Mahovlich

Zetterberg

Lidstrom

Kelly

Stewart

Goodfellow

Pronovost

Konstantinov

Quackenbush

Sawchuk

Osgood

Note: Ebbie Goodfellow played both center and defense for Detroit from 1929 to 1944, switching from center to defense in the 34-35 season.

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Adam Oates, & Adam Graves can be added to that list as well.

Don't forget Larry Murphy and Paul Coffey.

[Casey 145]

Assuming each guy as he played for Detroit (and I'll even give the years)

Goal:

'51 Terry Sawchuk

'02 Dominik Hasek

'98 Chris Osgood

Defense:

'06 Nicklas Lidstrom/'96 Slava Fetisov

'96 Paul Coffey/'96 Vladimir Konstantinov

'98 Larry Murphy/'02 Chris Chelios

'93 Steve Chiasson

Forwards:

'54 Ted Lindsay/'94 Sergei Fedorov/'54 Gordie Howe

'97 Brendan Shanahan/'89 Steve Yzerman/'02 Brett Hull

'08 Henrik Zetterberg/'09 Pavel Datsyuk/'73 Mickey Redmond

'69 Frank Mahlovich/'96 Igor Larionov/'93 Dino Ciccarelli

'96 Slava Koslov (love to see him with Hull and Howe),

[Uncle Danny 155]

Don't forget Larry Murphy and Paul Coffey.

Or Dionne and Dino.

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

Or Dionne and Dino.

I didn't see luc robitaille on the list.

my line for the wings would be:

datsyuk - yzerman - zetterberg (3 favorite players ever...biased)

lidstrom - konstatinov

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

I did not see Ray Shepard any whare 1 of only a few 50 goal scores in the Wings long history

[mmamolo 287]

I agree - with the exception of Chelios, who was rock solid in his first few years with Detroit, getting the runner-up to Lidstrom in Norris voting at the age of 40, while leading the league in +/-. I certainly would not feel bad having *that* Chelios on an all-time Red Wings team... though I personally have him as my 7th defenseman.

Chelios in his prime would only be behind Lidstrom and Kelly.

That wasn't mean to imply Chelios didn't have great years in Detroit but I think you got my point. The list is huge, the amount of players having played in Detroit not in their career years, and could go on and on. To the guy who said he hadn't seen Luc Robitaille's name check my original post bud

[truebladearmy 33]

Based primarily on their Red Wings careers:

Forwards:

G.Howe

Yzerman

Lindsay

Fedorov

Delvecchio

Abel

Shanahan

S.Howe

Aurie

Redmond

Ullman

F.Mahovlich

Zetterberg

Lidstrom

Kelly

Stewart

Goodfellow

Pronovost

Konstantinov

Quackenbush

Sawchuk

Osgood

Note: Ebbie Goodfellow played both center and defense for Detroit from 1929 to 1944, switching from center to defense in the 34-35 season.

Good list but how do you leave out Datsyuk as a forward, and Murphy as a defenseman? :-p

[HomeNugget 2]

Ted Lindsay - Steve Yzerman - Gordie Howe

Nicklas Lidstrom - Red Kelly

Terry Sawchuk

This is the correct answer. The six best players in franchise history, and everyone is playing their natural position.

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Zetterberg - Yzerman - Fedorov

Lidstrom - Coffey

Osgood

I only picked players that I've seen play. I wasn't going with the mindset of "in their prime" either. I was thinking while they were with the Wings. Ozzie is clearly the best goalie we've had in the past 20 years while wearing the winged wheel.

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im seeing a lot of paul coffey

[Uncle Danny 155]

I did not see Ray Shepard any whare 1 of only a few 50 goal scores in the Wings long history

While I loved Sheppard on the Wings, I don't think he is in the same league with most of the folks being mentioned here.

My top five, listing only players I've seen play, and based only on their time in Detroit:

Yzerman, Datsyuk, Fedorov

Lidstrom, Coffey

I would've gone for Konstantinov, as he had more of an impact (ahem) during his stay here (and was the better D-Man, IMO), but the man wasn't exactly a scoring powerhouse...and Coffey taught Nick more than a few things about how to work a PP, despite his defensive shortcomings. Watching an aging #77 and an upstart #5 together was a thing of passionate beauty.

I'm also glad to see the love for Fetisov and Larionov in this thread, counting their time in Russia. Not only were they past their primes when they got here, they also both had to adjust to a completely different style of hockey. Had they grown up in the North American system, I'd venture there wouldn't be much argument about their places on these lists. Amazing players, both.

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Rouse was very average in the context of RED WINGS HISTORY.... I wouldn't put him near the top of our 90s era defensemen (Lids, Murphy, Coffee, Fetisov, Vladdy, Chelios... tho tail end of decade, Ward.... etc).... and that's just the 90s.

and Vernon? On the Wings all time squad?... uh no.... Osgood, Hasek, Cujo, Sawchuk... all better choices.... not to mention the 3 other half of fame goalies that have played for this team.... and BTW, Vernon IS NOT a hall of famer.

So you would put Cujo ahead of Vernon in the context of RED WINGS HISTORY? Based on what? His ridiculous salary at the time? Cujo did almost as much as Ranford did for the Wings (in other words... very, very little)... meanwhile, Vernon was the goalie that helped us break the drought. Putting Cujo ahead of him in the context of RED WINGS HISTORY is just plain stupid. As a matter of fact, one could argue that Vernon played a big role in helping mold Osgood into the NHL goalie he would become. In the context of RED WINGS HISTORY... I would put Vernon ahead of Hasek but behind Osgood and Sawchuck. Dudes a Hockeytown Hero for God's sake. He owned Roy at center ice and in the playoffs on the way to a Cup... oh yea, and the Conn Smythe.

As far as Rouse goes... people like you label him as average or below average because you never noticed him. Guess what... that's what made him great. He was a fixture on D for the back to back championships in 97 and 98. Dude was a stud. He had a nasty streak and was, perhaps, the best 'stay at home' defensmen in the league at the time. He was like the Homer of defense. Knew his role and played it to near perfection. And he didn't mind jackin a dude in the jaw.

Edited August 25, 2009 by Broken 16

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While I loved Sheppard on the Wings, I don't think he is in the same league with most of the folks being mentioned here.

My top five, listing only players I've seen play, and based only on their time in Detroit:

Yzerman, Datsyuk, Fedorov

Lidstrom, Coffey

I would've gone for Konstantinov, as he had more of an impact (ahem) during his stay here (and was the better D-Man, IMO), but the man wasn't exactly a scoring powerhouse...and Coffey taught Nick more than a few things about how to work a PP, despite his defensive shortcomings. Watching an aging #77 and an upstart #5 together was a thing of passionate beauty.

I'm also glad to see the love for Fetisov and Larionov in this thread, counting their time in Russia. Not only were they past their primes when they got here, they also both had to adjust to a completely different style of hockey. Had they grown up in the North American system, I'd venture there wouldn't be much argument about their places on these lists. Amazing players, both.

come on diss the professer and papa bear they were a big part of winning a couple of cups here they deserve the same as Shanny Hull when it comes to achievements on this team , in sayin that I would like to see

Sheppard-Yzerman-Redmond to gether about 170 goals in the best scoring season

Lids-Coffey

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Ellis - Hussey - Langfeld

This line never gets enough credit. Who else could cycle the way these guys could, even though they didn't get one shot one goal? A truly unique line at that.

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Good list but how do you leave out Datsyuk as a forward, and Murphy as a defenseman? :-p

I'd put Datsyuk in, but Murphy does not belong that high.

My Top 25 defensemen in a Red Wings uniform:

1) Lidstrom

2) Kelly

3) Stewart

4) Goodfellow

5) Pronovost

6) Quackenbush

7) Konstantinov

8) Hollet

9) Coffey

10) Chelios

11) Reise

12) Gadsby

13) Goldham

14) Murphy

15) Fetisov

16) Larson

17) Bergman

18) Brewer

19) Barkley

10) McDonald

21) Godfrey

22) Orlando

23) Rafalski

24) Schneider

25) Young

Edited August 25, 2009 by egroen

[Uncle Danny 155]

come on diss the professer and papa bear they were a big part of winning a couple of cups here they deserve the same as Shanny Hull

Maybe I'm misreading here, but I think you missed my point. I am in no way, shape or form dissing Larionov or Fetisov. Quite the opposite. The fact that they were able to accomplish what they did in Detroit, despite being past their prime and taking a few years to adjust to the NHL shows what types of players they were. Igor may be one of my top 10 all time favorites. Absolutely no diss intended.

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8) Hollett

We just need Superman, Batman, Hawkgirl, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and Martian Manhunter and we're all set!

[egroen 384]

We just need Superman, Batman, Hawkgirl, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and Martian Manhunter and we're all set!

Lol... Flash VS. Black Jack!

For those interested, William "Flash" Hollett was the first defenseman to score 20 goals in a season (1945, which he did as a Red Wing), a record which lasted until Bobby Orr.

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Mccarty-Fedorov-Franzen

Lindstrom-Konstantinov

Osgood

My all time favorites

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

So you would put Cujo ahead of Vernon in the context of RED WINGS HISTORY? Based on what? His ridiculous salary at the time? Cujo did almost as much as Ranford did for the Wings (in other words... very, very little)... meanwhile, Vernon was the goalie that helped us break the drought. He kicked Roy's ass at center ice and won the Conn Smythe. Putting Cujo ahead of him in the context of RED WINGS HISTORY is just plain stupid. As a matter of fact, one could argue that Vernon played a big role in helping mold Osgood into the NHL goalie he would become. In the context of RED WINGS HISTORY... I would put Vernon ahead of Hasek but behind Osgood and Sawchuck.

As far as Rouse goes... people like you label him as average or below average because you never noticed him. Guess what... that's what made him great. He was a fixture on D for the back to back championships in 97 and 98. Dude was a stud. He had a nasty streak and was, perhaps, the best 'stay at home' defensmen in the league at the time.

I remember Vernon's days here VERY well... and he never impressed me once beyond that fight with Roy... but I don't really place enforcer at the top of a goalie's list of duties.

Vernon was a decent starter, but that's it... he got the Conn Smythe because there was no clear favorite (only Federov was a point per game, and our 3rd highest scorer had a measly 13 points... goalies are the obvious choice in these instances), and his playoff/season numbers were very average (his highest regular season SV % with us was a .903, his only season above .900 with us too... he only had one playoff with a sv% above .900 too.. WOW, best WING EVER!), plus he never played more than 33 games in a season during his Wings years because we rightfully second guessed his ability EVERY SINGLE YEAR constantly changing our minds and putting Ozzy in net (and we finally just got rid of him, because he really wasn't an integral part of our success.... for further details see what happened the next season when we got rid of him)..... and yet he's above Hasek to you (who even in his old-age Wings days bests Vernon in every single statistical capacity)?.... Seriously?... and don't give me the "he played in the 80s" crap, because the years we're talking about with Vernon are the years where goalie stats were considerably inflated due to the clutch n grab/paltry scoring....

Cujo's playoff numbers on the other hand were superb (his 03-04 playoffs was among the best we've ever had from a goalie), and there is no1 to blame for our losses that season other than our offensive inefficiency..... If one single decent playoff is good enough to make Vernon one of our best ever, then I hardly see how Cujo shouldn't be inserted into the debate.... but if you were to ask me, neither of them would be in the discussion. Only Sawchuk, Osgood, and Hasek.

And Rouse was decent at the time... but that's it... not to mention he was old when he got to the Wings and not even racking up the PIM anymore.... His best days were in Washington and Toronto, and THEY wouldn't even put him on their all-time squads. The idea that he is among the best defenders to ever wear the Winged wheel really undercuts the depth and history of the franchise in favor of the nostalgia people have for our back-to-back squad...

Edited August 25, 2009 by RedWings Gone Wild

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Ted Lindsay - Steve Yzerman - Gordie Howe

Nicklas Lidstrom - Red Kelly

Terry Sawchuk - Dominick Hasek

I agree with everything, except the Hasek part.

[Broken 16 381]

I remember Vernon's days here VERY well... and he never impressed me once beyond that fight with Roy... but I don't really place enforcer at the top of a goalie's list of duties.

Vernon was a decent starter, but that's it... he got the Conn Smythe because there was no clear favorite (only Federov was a point per game, and our 3rd highest scorer had a measly 13 points... goalies are the obvious choice in these instances), and his playoff/season numbers were very average (his highest regular season SV % with us was a .903, his only season above .900 with us too... he only had one playoff with a sv% above .900 too.. WOW, best WING EVER!), plus he never played more than 33 games in a season during his Wings years because we rightfully second guessed his ability EVERY SINGLE YEAR constantly changing our minds and putting Ozzy in net (and we finally just got rid of him, because he really wasn't an integral part of our success.... for further details see what happened the next season when we got rid of him)..... and yet he's above Hasek to you (who even in his old-age Wings days bests Vernon in every single statistical capacity)?.... Seriously?... and don't give me the "he played in the 80s" crap, because the years we're talking about with Vernon are the years where goalie stats were considerably inflated due to the clutch n grab/paltry scoring....

Cujo's playoff numbers on the other hand were superb (his 03-04 playoffs was among the best we've ever had from a goalie), and there is no1 to blame for our losses that season other than our offensive inefficiency..... If one single decent playoff is good enough to make Vernon one of our best ever, then I hardly see how Cujo shouldn't be inserted into the debate.... but if you were to ask me, neither of them would be in the discussion. Only Sawchuk, Osgood, and Hasek.

And Rouse was decent at the time... but that's it... not to mention he was old when he got to the Wings and not even racking up the PIM anymore.... His best days were in Washington and Toronto, and THEY wouldn't even put him on their all-time squads. The idea that he is among the best defenders to ever wear the Winged wheel really undercuts the depth and history of the franchise in favor of the nostalgia people have for our back-to-back squad...

I stopped reading as soon as I saw stats. I'm simply saying that neither Vernon nor Rouse were below average hockey players by any stretch. Not sure why you take issue.

Edited August 25, 2009 by Broken 16

[egroen 384]

I agree with everything, except the Hasek part.

I was thinking Glenn Hall... but he was traded from Detroit before he really took off.

Hasek in 2002, especially in the playoffs, is the best goaltending we have seen in some time... though I suppose Osgood would be the friendly choice.

Smith, Lumley, Mowers and Vernon would all be decent choices for the backup to Sawchuk, as well.