Blueliner 69 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 I sure hope it happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 It's not likely to happen but something has got to give. Our D hasn't been the same since Todd Mc left for San Jose Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 Short answer: No. Not going to happen people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jedi 1,865 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 I'm starting to buy into the idea of firing McC. That said, normally teams won't fire just an assistant coach and leave the rest of the staff intact. Usually it's the head coach that gets the axe, and I don't think that Babs' is the real problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 A huge problem still is that we're missing arguably the most important part of our defense in Lilja. Lilja was a guy who was solid for us at a great price. He added a tremendous amount of strength to the 3rd pairing whereas now we've got Lebda in their usually with a rookie which tends to equate to a disaster. I'm not one who typically rags on guys endlessly, but Lebda is blatantly a liability. He's been horrible and he needs to go. It won't happen for awhile, but that guy needs to not be a Red Wing as soon as possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 I'd wager that he won't be, but if I were Kenny, I'd drop the axe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 And as much as an irrational (though perhaps somewhat rational as well) wants to get all hot and blame McCrimmon, it's hard for me to place all the blame on him. Our problems are rooted in fundamentals. So many things that are happening are simple, fundamental issues that the players shouldn't even need to be reminded of. They're not making smart plays again and again. I mean, not that I'm a genius, but I have no idea what I'd say to them that they couldn't say to themselves or McCrimmon/Babcock couldn't/hasn't said. It's not rocket science. The rational reasoning for firing McCrimmon would be a) shake things up and maybe get some guys attention, b) hell, it's about the only PR move they could make right now that wouldn't be potentially detrimental long run. It'd be stupid to make a trade now and it'd be stupid to fire Babcock. I can see them letting go the one guy go who wasn't originally a part of Babcock's coaching staff and let him bring in another guy, but none the less, I doubt it will happen. But if we keep losing games like this through November, all bets are off across the board... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cupforwings 138 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 Instead of ragging on Lebda - try Rafalski - he's been rather pathetic tonight. Agree 100% with ya on Lilja; he's what the Wings need most which is a solid stay @ home guy. i agree with this... Rafalski has looked off all season... lazy with the puck, making bad plays, and just getting out skated by bigger bodies... he needs to step up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 Instead of ragging on Lebda - try Rafalski - he's been rather pathetic tonight. Agree 100% with ya on Lilja; he's what the Wings need most which is a solid stay @ home guy. Rafalski's never been the greatest DEFENSEman. While he's been particularly bad on defense this year, he's also got 6 points (which is a tie for 8th in scoring among NHL defensemen). I'm not saying Rafalski doesn't need to pick it up, but at least he has the performance capability to get it together defensively and at his worst, he still helps us put points on the board. Lebda doesn't have the skill set to get tremendously better and he doesn't make up for it on offense. He's just an all around bad defenseman. There's no upside. No, "at least he puts up points." He's just bad. Believe me, I'm not trying to add to the anti-Lebda bandwagon and if you follow my posting at all you'll know I'm not a bandwagon type of guy. But Lebda as our 6th defenseman with a rookie no less as a partner is just an ugly, ugly situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropkickshanahans 463 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 Once again I don't get how McCrimmon should be fired when it's the players whom are screwing up left, and right...Wings are nortorious in our own end due to numerous gaffes committed by the Dmen, and not on McCrimmon...Then again - it's always easier to fire 1 assistant coach instead of trading away a few players. You're right and wrong. Prior to McCrimmon's hiring, someone posted stats of our defensive efficiency and PK prior and compared it to McCrimmmon's the past two seasons, which we're significantly horrible. They then proceeded to show his career with Atlanta and Calgary, and they were just as bad. Also looking back prior, our overall +/- was higher and closer grouped in the league-wide stats. I believe Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Lidstrom we're in the top 5 with around 40+, Rafalski top 10, Kronwall, Cleary and Samulesson rounded out the top 20. Anyways, even last year people have been questioning McCrimmon since that side of the production has dropped, but it didn't matter because of the squad we had. But even so, our giveaways are probably a league worse right now. Rafalski has been bad at handling the puck, Ericsson is making rookie mistakes, Lebda is Lebda, etc., and it all comes down to the players controlling the puck smarter on the ice, whether that'd be clearing the zone better, getting it deep more often or what have you. They just gotta be better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted October 30, 2009 It's not that much wrong with the D, the bottom line is the D cant trust their goalies and its evident, obvious, crystal clear every single game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinRedWing 172 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 No he won't be fired. In fact he'll start playing again with all these injuries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donfishmaster 62 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 It's not that much wrong with the D, the bottom line is the D cant trust their goalies and its evident, obvious, crystal clear every single game. Can't trust their goalies? Yeah, they've had some weak play, but there's been a lot of "LOOK OUT" defense played in our own zone, as in, "LOOK OUT JIMMY, I TURNED THE PUCK OVER AGAIN FIVE FEET IN FRONT OF THE GOAL!" Having watched almost every minute, it appears the goalies can't trust the D, not vise-versa! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) Study jimmy in the edmonton game, i've never seen a so called nhl goalie look so uncomfortable and overplay every situation... i don't think he has what it takes nor have the balls to be a nhl goaltender... And osgood that rat just wants to coast through regular season and show up for the playoffs(which wont happen if it continues like this).. the goalie situation for the wings is rediculous these days and teams know about this too. Edited October 30, 2009 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinRedWing 172 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 Study jimmy in the edmonton game, i've never seen a so called nhl goalie look so uncomfortable and overplay every situation... i don't think he has what it takes nor have the balls to be a nhl goaltender... And osgood that rat just wants to coast through regular season and show up for the playoffs(which wont happen if it continues like this).. the goalie situation for the wings is rediculous these days and teams know about this too. Man,Mindfly's weekend is going to be awesome! Lots of fun! Btw,where did you develop "the rat" for Ozzie? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) He looks like one, tiny frame and his head and teeth are ratlike... Edited October 30, 2009 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoe 165 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 Has an assistant coach ever been fired mid season just the assistant coach? Sounds like something Lou Lamoriello over in New Jersey would do. ok so you fire the guy who comes in to replace him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 Has an assistant coach ever been fired mid season just the assistant coach? Sounds like something Lou Lamoriello over in New Jersey would do. ok so you fire the guy who comes in to replace him? move MacLean back to D - bring on Gallant as O coach. done and done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoe 165 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 move MacLean back to D - bring on Gallant as O coach. done and done. Sounds good actually Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 You're right and wrong. Prior to McCrimmon's hiring, someone posted stats of our defensive efficiency and PK prior and compared it to McCrimmmon's the past two seasons, which we're significantly horrible. They then proceeded to show his career with Atlanta and Calgary, and they were just as bad. Also looking back prior, our overall +/- was higher and closer grouped in the league-wide stats. I believe Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Lidstrom we're in the top 5 with around 40+, Rafalski top 10, Kronwall, Cleary and Samulesson rounded out the top 20. Anyways, even last year people have been questioning McCrimmon since that side of the production has dropped, but it didn't matter because of the squad we had. THIS. Our team didn't suddenly forget how to play defense or the penalty kill last season. McCrimmon's arrival and subsequent takeover of those elements of our team coincide with the absolute disaster that they've become. I'm still convinced that he's the one responsible for destroying what was one of the best defenses in the league. It's not Babcock and we know our team has more talent than this - most of the elements of the 2008 Cup win are still there. McCrimmon NEEDS to go. And I'm rarely one to call for the head of a coach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Secret 304 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 1 minute ago Ericsson coughed up the puck right to the opposition in our own end...Luckily it didn't result in a goal, but that's the kinda crap we've been seeing alot more of lately...Dunno how McCrimmon can be faulted for these types of mistakes. Unfortunately I haven't been able to see many games this season yet so I cannot comment on what is happening in the games. Although in the end a coach cannot be on the ice to play he is directly responsible for the preparedness of a team or he area of coaching. Look what happened after Dave Lewis came in and took over Scotty's team... which was virtually the same team! Different coach had different results. Maybe there is something to the coaching of the defense and its too much coincidence that it has been happening this way for the 2 seasons after losing Todd Mc and having him replaced with Brad Mc?! This season we don't have the fire power to overcome a seasons worth of bad defense and s***ty goal tending... something surely needs to change! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 He looks like one, tiny frame and his head and teeth are ratlike... I wish I looked like a rat, maybe Kristen Bell would have the hots for me too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMAC 25 18 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 i wish he would be, we still have a majority of our defense players but since todd left they cant do anything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 1 minute ago Ericsson coughed up the puck right to the opposition in our own end...Luckily it didn't result in a goal, but that's the kinda crap we've been seeing alot more of lately...Dunno how McCrimmon can be faulted for these types of mistakes. Oh yeah. And did anyone else see Lidstrom cough up the puck in our zone? Or did my eyes make that up? I couldn't go back and check because I haven't recorded the last two game, hoping it'd take the jinx off the team. Yeah, well...whatever, ya know?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 In all likelihood no, although it's not 100% out of the questions. It's not common to fire assistant coaches throughout a season I think. It's a combination of BOTH McCrimmon not doing his job AND the defense as well on the ice. To what degrees of who/what is at fault most, is entirely subjective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
